Scream it out! Roe v. Wade edition

[BongoGal]

Gerrymandering has ALWAYS been a nationwide problem for Democrats, as it pretty much always favors Republicans.

You should see how it's done in Massachusetts. Here we elect Republicans as governor pretty frequently. In fact, since 1991, the Democrats have had control of the executive branch for just eight years. In that time, only two Republicans have won seats in the US House, and none since 1997.

 

[BlueEyedGuy29]

donate to abortion funds, not lobbyists.

and become election officials - judges of election, for example. It's a civic volunteer position, sometimes it's paid a little bit for the work. Oversee those motherfuckers trying to steal democracy, don't assume someone else will take care of it - most local election volunteers are old and "retired" because of covid.

Local Planned Parenthood chapters are the ones providing healthcare. They're not the lobbyists and donating there *does* make a difference in people's lives. And helps maintain access to birth control, reproductive health visits, and, yes, abortion too.

 

[BongoGal]

I'm not allowed to respond?

She wants to live in a bubble and not have her ideas challenged. Her answer is name-calling and slander.

 

[BlueEyedGuy29]

You should see how it's done in Massachusetts. Here we elect Republicans as governor pretty frequently. In fact, since 1991, the Democrats have had control of the executive branch for just eight years. In that time, only two Republicans have won seats in the US House, and none since 1997.

I would like to continue working on that governor thing, though.

While the current gov is relatively moderate, the legislature still had to override Baker's veto to codify Roe in 2020.

 

[BongoGal]

I would like to continue working on that governor thing, though.

While the current gov is relatively moderate, the legislature still had to override Baker's veto to codify Roe in 2020.

He would easily win again, but he is returning to the dreaded private sector. He is going out as the most popular governor in the country.

 

[BlueEyedGuy29]

He would easily win again, but he is returning to the dreaded private sector. He is going out as the most popular governor in the country.

Yep.

Our gubernatorial elections don't exactly fit the political stereotype, do they?

Although the race should be all Healey this fall.

/MA POL digression

 

[VoraciousValue]

Maybe I'm in the minority here, I'll gladly concede that, but I'd rather let 2 killers go free than execute one innocent person. One is an injustice, the other is a goddamn crime against humanity.

Abraham Lincoln was absolutely right: "More rogues than honest men find shelter under habeas corpus."

I absolutely agree with you. The fundamental idea of capital punishment is seriously questionable at this point.

 

[BongoGal]

Although the race should be all Healey this fall.

/MA POL digression

You don't want Martha Coakley to give it another shot?

 

[VoraciousValue]

You don't want Martha Coakley to give it another shot?

I remember they were talking about taking Michael Dukakis out of mothballs a few years ago. He was a fine governor in his time, but he's been out to pasture longer than most people have been alive. Just leave him be.

 

[BlueEyedGuy29]

You don't want Martha Coakley to give it another shot?

Hoo boy.

Mass native. Went to college in the commonwealth.
Experienced.

But calling Curt Schilling a Yankee fan?

Facepalm.

 

[n8Romantic]

I'll stray from Roe v Wade a moment. The right and left drift further apart. This isn't an accident, it's by design. The last time we had any semblance of income equity was when we had strong labor unions. Organized labor has been systematically made irrelevant, effectively replaced by the entity that destroyed them; corporate America. The elimination of the Glass Steagall act during the Clinton years allowed Investment banks to merge with and buy commercial banks, thus forming the mega banks, the ones too large to fail. They have received trillions of dollars since the global fiscal crisis they caused in 2008.

Back to Roe v Wade. Funny how the right wing religious zealots want to eliminate abortion and protect precious life. Yet at no time do they address financial support for the child, to include healthcare and housing, and a job with a living wage for the mother. Abortion is not a first choice means of contraception for any woman. Repeal of Roe v Wade will have enormous negative impact on the poor and force more people into poverty. That this is being done by a party that actively denigrates those receiving any welfare aid should come as no surprise.

After all, this is the same party that finds affirmative action to be a great evil. Despite the fact that with out affirmative action, specifically the Electoral College, neither Donald True nor George W. Bush would have been President. Time for the Electoral College to go away.

To the religious zealots of any sect I say, please forgo any and all medical treatment. Pray for it to get better.

Pray in one hand shit in the other and see which fills up fastest.

Sorry for the rant, what's being done to supposedly free women makes me crazy and it's just the tip of the iceberg. Leave Roe v Wade alone.

 

[BongoGal]

I remember they were talking about taking Michael Dukakis out of mothballs a few years ago. He was a fine governor in his time, but he's been out to pasture longer than most people have been alive. Just leave him be.

Dukakis was last seen in court as a character witness for a guy who was a friend of one of the Boston Marathon bombers. When that happened, I thought, "I did not have that on my local politics bingo card." (Dukakis didn't help much.)

 

[BongoGal]

Hoo boy.

Mass native. Went to college in the commonwealth.
Experienced.

But calling Curt Schilling a Yankee fan?

Facepalm.

“What should I do, stand in front of Fenway and shake hands with voters?”

 

[Lady2020]

I'm looking at the long game again. I refuse to get outraged. It wasn't like we didn't know this was coming. Same old shit, different decade.

 

[BlueEyedGuy29]

“What should I do, stand in front of Fenway and shake hands with voters?”

Yeah.

Awful. Just a terrible candidate.

Highlights the importance of recruiting good people to run for office - and that means those who both have strength in their own convictions and are comfortable in their own skin.

And there's a lesson there for this year's primaries.

 

[Xerxes82]

Just read a horrible, but utterly unsurprising article about the way state legislatures are reacting to the leaked opinion.

In two states, Missouri and Texas, efforts were already underway prior to this news to not only limit or outlaw abortion in their own states, but to specifically punish anyone who travels to another state where abortion may remain legally available. Expect more of this.

At least one Texas legislator is also proposing banning any civil or local government from working with, or contracting, any business that pays expenses or covers any abortion procedure for any employee. Even of those employees live, work, and seek services in states where it remains legally available. Basically, an attempt to blakmail businesses into blocking any coverage for any abortion anywhere nationwide. Expect more of this as well.

The avalanche has already begun. It's too late for the rocks to vote.

 

[Btq97]

America such a good idea so very badly realised. When did you become a gerontocracy? What happened to the separation of church and state? How can a country that has produced some of the best and brightest be in the state that it is in now? What happened

 

[VoraciousValue]

America such a good idea so very badly realised. When did you become a gerontocracy? What happened to the separation of church and state? How can a country that has produced some of the best and brightest be in the state that it is in now? What happened

Gerontocracy is the least of our problems. Every new generation of Republicans is even more horrifying than the last one. Every new generation of Democrats is even more politically naïve than the last one.

For the last 20 years or so, Americans have just decided to revel in ignorance and shut out the real world. Part of that is that Americans have always had paranoid obsessions about largely non-existent threats to their safety. The planters of the pre-Civil War South worried for generations about Black slaves murdering them in their beds. Then it became the Irish or the Chinese (depending on which coast you lived on). We were told to worry about the Germans in both World Wars, and we were paranoid of Japanese saboteurs in the Second.

Since World War Two, most of our safety fears were about urban Blacks, which fueled the massive white wasteland that is modern American suburbia. The great American satirist H.L. Mencken (known as "The Sage of Baltimore) had it right 100 years ago when he referred to the emerging American middle class as the "booboisie."

After 9/11, we hyperventilated about Muslims for a few years; the Republicans are still fucking paranoid about that. Since Obama got elected, Republicans have been convinced that the Democrats were going to enslave them, round them up in empty Walmarts, murder them on sight, or some combination of the above.

On top of that, Americans have taken anti-intellectualism to its logical conclusion. Facts have no bearing in American politics, and haven't for a very long time. But it's well beyond that. Most Americans have picked up the Republican habit of ignoring any verifiable data, especially if that data might inconvenience them in any way. Americans now care about nothing but their pocketbooks. That's about it.

Democrats in this century, meanwhile, refuse to fight, have become incredibly tone deaf, and keep talking about issues that Americans are sick of hearing about. Then they lose elections, sit around, and wonder why.

So every aspect of American political society is fucked up beyond anything anyone could have imagined.

 

[AveryElle]

Local Planned Parenthood chapters are the ones providing healthcare. They're not the lobbyists and donating there *does* make a difference in people's lives. And helps maintain access to birth control, reproductive health visits, and, yes, abortion too.

Those local chapters get lots of money. In places like alabama and texas and Oklahoma, the funds are the ones paying for a pregnant people to get to the PP in civilized America. While it still exists. Any donation is helpful, but my neighbor is an abortion provider and has always told me the funds are what’s needed now, especially once the law suits hit the people helping others get care.

 

[AveryElle]

I'm not allowed to respond?

Go for it. But it’s just going to make you angry and probably turn her on.

 

[parker77]

this thread just made it very easy for me to realize what my most controversial opinion is.

 

[aussiegeekygal]

this thread just made it very easy for me to realize what my most controversial opinion is.

That it's confusing when I start a political thread? ,

 

[HeavyBalls]

Well if you can cross the border into Canada, a federal cabinet minister said Americans would be welcome to some health services in Canada.

 

[VoraciousValue]

Well if you can cross the border into Canada, a federal cabinet minister said Americans would be welcome to some health services in Canada.

Some day, Canada may not always be so ready to save our asses.

 

[VoraciousValue]

This sounds Gilead-esque.

Because it is.