Seamless transition from hysterical Obama threads to hysterical Trump threads

[BotanyBoy]

No, it isn't. The difference is that when the Pubs did it, it lacked any meaningful content even as hyperbole.

LMFAO!!

You are in Kool-Aid chugging partisan hack denial to the absolute maximum.

 

[Queertag45]

Actually, his tweets are brilliant.

He could stand up and make a long speech with teleprompter and the national media would pick the "sound bytes" that they want to deliver to the public. He has found an effective way to stop them from framing the dialog. I believe that this is what is upsetting Democrats the most, that their press no longer controls the sound byte.

Only a simple prairee nigger would think his tweets were brilliant.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

No. He should not.

The press is, and has always been (in our lifetimes) a tweet machine.

What he is doing is responding to them and in many ways, I support the idea that a sound-byte press is being kicked around by a sound-byte leader...



What is good for the goose is good is good for the gander.

I disagree. He isn'tljust responding to the press. Waste of time. We don't have time for this shit.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Who's idea was it to include the first amendment in the constitution anyway? These people who just want to criticize our government are just so annoying and very unpatriotic!


If they don't like it, they should just move to Russia.

 

[oggbashan]

The problem is obvious. Half of America hates the other half.

If President-elect Trump can bridge the divide that splits the US he would have done more than any other President in many decades.

The rhetoric on both sides is almost incomprehensible to people in other Western countries. We change governments without the hatred of one side for the other.

The next four years on Literotica will be like the last eight - one unhappy group of US citizens angry with the other group.

 

[Ishmael]

His tweets seem to be random to me, like an average guy who can't help fighting back against his critics and detractors.. He needs to get over that shit quickly... Being made fun of is a part of the job. Yelling back at everyone is a waste of damn time.

No. He should not.

The press is, and has always been (in our lifetimes) a tweet machine.

What he is doing is responding to them and in many ways, I support the idea that a sound-byte press is being kicked around by a sound-byte leader...



What is good for the goose is good is good for the gander.

I second 4est's response Funk. Trump is anything but an ideologue politician with a mouth full of words that say nothing. Good, bad, or indifferent the openness is refreshing.

It is also one of the attributes, also good, bad or indifferent, that has the press and the detractors flummoxed. They're getting called out on their bullshit quite quickly and quite openly. He's not giving them an inch of ground uncontested. For the most part he has them playing defense, also quite refreshing to see. It's as if Andrew Jackson had an iPhone.

Ishmael

 

[KingOrfeo]

The problem is obvious. Half of America hates the other half.

Time for Thunderdome! Two Factions Enter, One Faction Leaves!

 

[Ishmael]

The problem is obvious. Half of America hates the other half.

If President-elect Trump can bridge the divide that splits the US he would have done more than any other President in many decades.

The rhetoric on both sides is almost incomprehensible to people in other Western countries. We change governments without the hatred of one side for the other.

The next four years on Literotica will be like the last eight - one unhappy group of US citizens angry with the other group.

"Hate" is too strong a word to use Ogg (although I will readily admit that it applies out on the fringes). But make no mistake, there is a war going on right now. And looking at Europe (your Brexit being one instance) it seems to be spreading.

There is one group over here that want to turn us into a Social Democracy, a governmental form that is at complete odds with our constitution. Then there is the other group that want no part of that nonsense. They are sick to their souls of 'one size fits all' edicts coming out of DC. Any, and all, rhetoric that avoids that core issue is just noise.

Ishmael

 

[Conager]

I second 4est's response Funk. Trump is anything but an ideologue politician with a mouth full of words that say nothing. Good, bad, or indifferent the openness is refreshing.

It is also one of the attributes, also good, bad or indifferent, that has the press and the detractors flummoxed. They're getting called out on their bullshit quite quickly and quite openly. He's not giving them an inch of ground uncontested. For the most part he has them playing defense, also quite refreshing to see. It's as if Andrew Jackson had an iPhone.

Ishmael

Now there was a real jackass. . .

 

[Conager]

I second 4est's response Funk. Trump is anything but an ideologue politician with a mouth full of words that say nothing. Good, bad, or indifferent the openness is refreshing.

It is also one of the attributes, also good, bad or indifferent, that has the press and the detractors flummoxed. They're getting called out on their bullshit quite quickly and quite openly. He's not giving them an inch of ground uncontested. For the most part he has them playing defense, also quite refreshing to see. It's as if Andrew Jackson had an iPhone.

Ishmael

"Hate" is too strong a word to use Ogg (although I will readily admit that it applies out on the fringes). But make no mistake, there is a war going on right now. And looking at Europe (your Brexit being one instance) it seems to be spreading.

There is one group over here that want to turn us into a Social Democracy, a governmental form that is at complete odds with our constitution. Then there is the other group that want no part of that nonsense. They are sick to their souls of 'one size fits all' edicts coming out of DC. Any, and all, rhetoric that avoids that core issue is just noise.

Ishmael

Calexit, followed by or concurrent to an Article V convenvention would settle this nicely. In the alternative, the tree of liberty looks thirsty.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

"Hate" is too strong a word to use Ogg (although I will readily admit that it applies out on the fringes). But make no mistake, there is a war going on right now. And looking at Europe (your Brexit being one instance) it seems to be spreading.

There is one group over here that want to turn us into a Social Democracy, a governmental form that is at complete odds with our constitution. Then there is the other group that want no part of that nonsense. They are sick to their souls of 'one size fits all' edicts coming out of DC. Any, and all, rhetoric that avoids that core issue is just noise.

Ishmael

Recharacterized, the same sentiment can be stated as there is one group over here that want to turn us into privatized police state based on Christian values and oligarchy, a governmental form that is at complete odds with our constitution. Then there is the other group that are actively seeking to prevent that from happening with limited success because they divide and not unite.

Unfortunately no one in the US seems to be able to have an actual conversation about economics and public policy that is appropriate for the town square because where people pee and with whom they sleep and what they do with their bodies is more important.

We came close wth Bernie and hopefully that can be built upon.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Calexit, followed by or concurrent to an Article V convenvention would settle this nicely. In the alternative, the tree of liberty looks thirsty.

Case in point.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I disagree. He isn'tljust responding to the press. Waste of time. We don't have time for this shit.

I agree.

He isn't responding, he's preempting.

Unlike other Republicans, he isn't letting them define the dialogue, He isn't sitting back and defending, he's reframing and demanding, for once in a long while, if ever, that the press and the Democrats defend themselves.

:shrug:

 

[Conager]

Recharacterized, the same sentiment can be stated as there is one group over here that want to turn us into privatized police state based on Christian values and oligarchy, a governmental form that is at complete odds with our constitution. Then there is the other group that are actively seeking to prevent that from happening with limited success because they divide and not unite.

Unfortunately no one in the US seems to be able to have an actual conversation about economics and public policy that is appropriate for the town square because where people pee and with whom they sleep and what they do with their bodies is more important.

We came close wth Bernie and hopefully that can be built upon.

ALL of those grand aspirations of yours REQUIRE a constitutional amendment to accomplish. Assuming you have the votes for that then yes, in an extreme stretch, you could describe your roadmap to Bernie's socialist utopia "constitutional."

Just because we have a long list of well-established programs that extract plunder from citizen A and give it to citizen B does not make any of the past or future programs constitutional.

In their favor, the Calexit proponants do understand, unlike you, that in order to enact the changes necessary to build Governer Moonbeam's Utopia, they cannot do it within the structures of even what little remains of the US Constitution.

Obama, as a guest lecturer using the notes provided to him by an actual professor of constitutional law, once read "The Constitution is essentially a charter of negative Liberties. It tells you what the government is constrained from doing to you, but it says nothing at all about what the government should do on your behalf."

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I second 4est's response Funk. Trump is anything but an ideologue politician with a mouth full of words that say nothing. Good, bad, or indifferent the openness is refreshing.

It is also one of the attributes, also good, bad or indifferent, that has the press and the detractors flummoxed. They're getting called out on their bullshit quite quickly and quite openly. He's not giving them an inch of ground uncontested. For the most part he has them playing defense, also quite refreshing to see. It's as if Andrew Jackson had an iPhone.

Ishmael

I just wasted a post...

Tai hau le!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

"Hate" is too strong a word to use Ogg (although I will readily admit that it applies out on the fringes). But make no mistake, there is a war going on right now. And looking at Europe (your Brexit being one instance) it seems to be spreading.

There is one group over here that want to turn us into a Social Democracy, a governmental form that is at complete odds with our constitution. Then there is the other group that want no part of that nonsense. They are sick to their souls of 'one size fits all' edicts coming out of DC. Any, and all, rhetoric that avoids that core issue is just noise.

Ishmael

As per Hoffer, and I know I ride him a lot, hate is what binds the members of a mass movement together.

We are lucky on three counts:

1. We were not so dissatisfied with what was.
2. The Left did not sufficiently articulate dissatisfaction to the point of transformative change.
3. Obama was not the leader that the Progressive/Socialist Left thought he was, nor were conditions ripe for fundamental change and he and the press were oblivious to that fact. They laid the groundwork for fundamental change, they thought they hd the leader, but as Musashi penned, There is timing in the void; keep a distanced view of near things and a near view of distanced things.

Obama simply decided, by dint of affirmative action, that we, the frog, had been boiled slowly enough to accept almost anything when it comes to government's "posotove liberties..."

 

[deehere]

Actually, his tweets are brilliant.

He could stand up and make a long speech with teleprompter and the national media would pick the "sound bytes" that they want to deliver to the public. He has found an effective way to stop them from framing the dialog. I believe that this is what is upsetting Democrats the most, that their press no longer controls the sound byte.

Insightful. I think that this is exactly this.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

ALL of those grand aspirations of yours REQUIRE a constitutional amendment to accomplish.

Please list these grand aspirations the little voice in your head is reciting.

 

[Ishmael]

As per Hoffer, and I know I ride him a lot, hate is what binds the members of a mass movement together.

We are lucky on three counts:

1. We were not so dissatisfied with what was.
2. The Left did not sufficiently articulate dissatisfaction to the point of transformative change.
3. Obama was not the leader that the Progressive/Socialist Left thought he was, nor were conditions ripe for fundamental change and he and the press were oblivious to that fact. They laid the groundwork for fundamental change, they thought they hd the leader, but as Musashi penned, There is timing in the void; keep a distanced view of near things and a near view of distanced things.

Obama simply decided, by dint of affirmative action, that we, the frog, had been boiled slowly enough to accept almost anything when it comes to government's "posotove liberties..."

Obama, and the democrats in general, misread damn near everything that was going on. Virtually every action they took after the 2010 mid-terms was exactly wrong. And this was compounded by the 'establishment' republicans. It was if the democrats were doing the Mambo, the republicans the Tango, while the orchestra was play a waltz. The audience began to seethe. Trump danced the waltz, perhaps clumsily, but he danced for the audience and he didn't care whose toes he stepped on in the process.

Ishmael

 

[KingOrfeo]

ALL of those grand aspirations of yours REQUIRE a constitutional amendment to accomplish. Assuming you have the votes for that then yes, in an extreme stretch, you could describe your roadmap to Bernie's socialist utopia "constitutional."

AFAICR, nothing in Sanders' platform would have been unconstitutional.

Obama, as a guest lecturer using the notes provided to him by an actual professor of constitutional law, once read "The Constitution is essentially a charter of negative Liberties. It tells you what the government is constrained from doing to you, but it says nothing at all about what the government should do on your behalf."

No, it doesn't. That is a matter for we the people to decide, and the Constitution is at any rate no impediment.

And, BTW, Barack Obama is a real professor of constitutional law, and I easily could have been if I had chosen to follow an academic path, and you never could be nor will be until the inevitable day, may it be soon, when you die in well-deserved misery and ignorance.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

I agree.

He isn't responding, he's preempting.

Unlike other Republicans, he isn't letting them define the dialogue, He isn't sitting back and defending, he's reframing and demanding, for once in a long while, if ever, that the press and the Democrats defend themselves.

:shrug:

To say that a person is "preempting" means you can read his mind. You can't .

 

[KingOrfeo]

To say that a person is "preempting" means you can read his mind. You can't .

It's Gump. Just iggy it.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The problem is obvious. Half of America hates the other half.

Yep. We really....really really really really......should have kept it cordial and just let the south go.

It would have given the cultural divide a place to go.

If President-elect Trump can bridge the divide that splits the US he would have done more than any other President in many decades.

I believe it to be nearly certain that will not happen under any circumstances.

There is nothing he could do that would get about 1/2 of (D)s on board with anything he does. In the USA we have huge chunks of the population that are programmed to just oppose the other team because that's just what you do.

Most USAnians don't give a fuck about policy, to the American masses politics is just another team sport.

The next four years on Literotica will be like the last eight - one unhappy group of US citizens angry with the other group.

What's funny is watching them get all bent out of shape for something their beloved just got done doing when their team had the ball.

Watch, DJT is going to drone strike a citizen and there will be that 1/2 of the (D)'s are going to collectively lose their fucking minds. Defended Obama doing it for years......didn't even blink an eye. DJT? Holocaust level travesty....senate minority leader will call for him to be brought up on charges against humanity for the shit.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

It's Gump. Just iggy it.

May as well iggy you too in that case.

 

[Conager]

AFAICR, nothing in Sanders' platform would have been unconstitutional.



No, it doesn't. That is a matter for we the people to decide, and the Constitution is at any rate no impediment.

Now I beleive you are a lawyer. Only lawyers beleive that the constitution forbids nothimg.