Seeking redemption

Permission to not feel bad, makes as much sense as saying at least I didn't shoot him, I only stabbed him.

As far as which is worse, you should ask your wife what she thinks.

let me ask u a question. If you ever left your partner for months together to pursue ur dreams and ur partner got a handjob from a masseuse (god forbid), would you ever forgive him? assuming of course ur a woman
 
let me ask u a question. If you ever left your partner for months together to pursue ur dreams and ur partner got a handjob from a masseuse (god forbid), would you ever forgive him? assuming of course ur a woman

You miss the point. I've let a lot worse go and left someone for a lot less but I'm not your wife.

Reaction to betrayal is individual.

You know your wife, I don't.

Maybe she'd just get mad because she could have had sex with a couple of hot men and turned them down to be faithful to you.
 
You miss the point. I've let a lot worse go and left someone for a lot less but I'm not your wife.

Reaction to betrayal is individual.

You know your wife, I don't.

Maybe she'd just get mad because she could have had sex with a couple of hot men and turned them down to be faithful to you.

let a lot worse go maybe because u loved him enough? just saying

maybe I shud just let her know so she can get even. would kill me though if she really did it, i'd rather she just leave me

knowing her she wouldn't do it, but its very difficult to read women. i've been wrong many times before
 
How long have you been married? Letting her know "so she can get even"?

Look, I've seen lots of people go through both sides of this situation. You dug a hole, and you need to figure out how you're getting out of it. Whether you do or not is solely up to you; blanket statements about what women expect or what they want or that they're confusing are just irrelevant. All of womankind is not involved in this situation.
 
Question for you, Zephyr: with respect for the fact that you seem to feel some contrition, at what point is masturbation not good enough?
At what point do you believe that your biological desire to fuck something other than your mitt grants you the leeway to ask forgiveness instead of permission?

Can you get a Soloflesh if you need that lifelike thing?
 
I did cheat, never said I didn't. If it didn't bother me at all, I wouldn't be posting this. But to me, an affair has more of a mental connection than a plain handjob which is pure physical relief.


Not judging but would feel the same way if your wife said,"Yes we had oral sex but it was more of a mental connection than a plain handjob which is pure physical relief"

Sounds like you two need to sit down and have a "talk"

Get on the same page and give things a good go or go your separate ways.

She might be open to you two getting it on with others or no dickie falls into some ladies hand and gets a decent handjob but there was no mental connection so it's all good

I'm in the process of writing a self help book called Relationships for those with the facebook status,"It's complicated"

Chapter one

Have a heart to heart and lay the cards on the table. Are we separated, on a break, seeing others or walking away?
 
let a lot worse go maybe because u loved him enough? just saying

maybe I shud just let her know so she can get even. would kill me though if she really did it, i'd rather she just leave me

knowing her she wouldn't do it, but its very difficult to read women. i've been wrong many times before



You keep missing the point.


Don't feel bad, maybe she already had sex with the hot guys because she knows you can't keep it in your pants.:rose:
 
which one would be a worse form of cheating. or are they both the same?

Why do you care? What does it matter?

You're already paying whores to jerk you off and rub up against you.

The "bad, worse, worst" ship has already sailed.
 
How long have you been married? Letting her know "so she can get even"?

Look, I've seen lots of people go through both sides of this situation. You dug a hole, and you need to figure out how you're getting out of it. Whether you do or not is solely up to you; blanket statements about what women expect or what they want or that they're confusing are just irrelevant. All of womankind is not involved in this situation.

"so she can get even" - this follows entirely from a previous comment made if you followed it. Its not something that crossed my mind until it was said.

agree with your second point, wasn't trying to make blanket statements about womenkind, think it came out wrong
 
Question for you, Zephyr: with respect for the fact that you seem to feel some contrition, at what point is masturbation not good enough?
At what point do you believe that your biological desire to fuck something other than your mitt grants you the leeway to ask forgiveness instead of permission?

Can you get a Soloflesh if you need that lifelike thing?

I can feel the hatred, you made ur point.

assuming I never go back to massages, do u think masturbation is a forgivable / permissible activity?
 
Not judging but would feel the same way if your wife said,"Yes we had oral sex but it was more of a mental connection than a plain handjob which is pure physical relief"

Sounds like you two need to sit down and have a "talk"

Get on the same page and give things a good go or go your separate ways.

She might be open to you two getting it on with others or no dickie falls into some ladies hand and gets a decent handjob but there was no mental connection so it's all good

I'm in the process of writing a self help book called Relationships for those with the facebook status,"It's complicated"

Chapter one

Have a heart to heart and lay the cards on the table. Are we separated, on a break, seeing others or walking away?

thanks, that is a good way to start, just need to find the courage and wait for the right moment
 
assuming I never go back to massages, do u think masturbation is a forgivable / permissible activity?

Do you not even know what your wife's opinions about masturbation are? Or are you asking about masturbation with someone else, as in cybersex? Either way, isn't this a conversation long overdue between you and your wife?
 
I can feel the hatred, you made ur point.

assuming I never go back to massages, do u think masturbation is a forgivable / permissible activity?

I read no hatred in her post. You're inferring that.

What do Bluebell's opinions on masturbation matter here? Talk to your wife.

Edited to add: you just mentioned hatred again. No one here is hating you. You are reading that into their posts. Hating yourself?
 
I read no hatred in her post. You're inferring that.

What do Bluebell's opinions on masturbation matter here? Talk to your wife.

Edited to add: you just mentioned hatred again. No one here is hating you. You are reading that into their posts. Hating yourself?

I hate him a little.
 
Do you not even know what your wife's opinions about masturbation are? Or are you asking about masturbation with someone else, as in cybersex? Either way, isn't this a conversation long overdue between you and your wife?

my wife tolerates masturbation. she knows I do it now that she's not here with me. I asked because I wanted to get a sense of what other women feel about their partners masturbating.
 
I read no hatred in her post. You're inferring that.

What do Bluebell's opinions on masturbation matter here? Talk to your wife.

Edited to add: you just mentioned hatred again. No one here is hating you. You are reading that into their posts. Hating yourself?

Wait a minute, I kind of hate him but not for the reason he thinks.

It's you not u.

It's your not ur.

I want to bend him over a table and spank him with a hardback unabridged dictionary and that scenario wouldn't have a 'happy ending.'
 
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