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Velvet Bubbles said:
That's one thing I get so tired of. They have the woman's face visible for all the world to see; but the guy is hiding his. What the heck is with that? Grrrr.
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I know what you mean. Porn/erotica is particularly notable for objectifying women. Exposing her fully, but not requiring the male model to also be exposed is part of that tradition.

Sometimes submission includes objectification, but in BDSM - only with consent. Likewise- a photo studio image like this required consent and likely remuneration.

To have better porn, we will need to demand better porn and make an effort to shape the industry into something that reflects us and our desires better.

This week, I'm just making sure I vote and encouraging everyone I know to do the same.
 
cascadiabound said:
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Rope marks
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Oh I really like this one!

I haven't done rope in years. I was jsut talking to my old rope partner that we need to do some rope ties. problem is it takes SO LONG, right? get to a party spend 45 min getting tied up, then 15 min later it's like well that swelling too much. then its quick off! I was cleaning out my closet and my rope bag fell out. I spent some good money on rope too. ugh.
 
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Cross posted with thanks to @PrettyLilPussy19

I have a great fondness for rope work which incorporates hair into the bondage. Having almost always had hair long enough for such things, the idea just makes me tingle.

Using your sub's hair to bind and restrain her, to create more levels of pain/sensation with movement, and use her own tresses to physically own her, control her, manage her and remind her of her submission seems to me to be a version of perfection.
 
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This is beautiful ropework. Feels a little presentation oriented- to be admired and displayed.
I love the tension in her neck as she seems to want to twist away, look away... the blindfold heightening her senses and arousal.

I'm always interested in asymmetrical ties like this one. In this case the more heavily wrapped leg is attached to a bit of hardware on the bottom of the seat.

Zoom in and this image reveals her extreme wetness. The fabric of her panties soaked - so much so she is actually dripping through the fabric onto the rope just below. I love that the photographer has captured her obscene arousal.

This is not just a studio ropework image... she loves and craves this type of bondage and her body reveals it to all who look upon her.
*swallows hard... I so wanna be her*
 
@cascadiabound @riverj
What are you guys meaning by saying "presentation oriented?"

What's the alternative?

What's the objection?

What's "real" shibari if the "presentation oriented" kind is not it?

I don't know, I'm asking. I don't know anything about this stuff. But what I'm getting from these comments is that "presentation oriented" seems to be not preferred, or somehow disfavored. So educate an ignorant noob
 
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I'm always intrigued by unusual settings for ropework. This feels like a set up for predicament bondage... that radiator can't be comfortable to sit on. You can see how much tension is in her feet. It's not at all sophisticated knot work.
So... I offer it as an intriguing image. One that would test the subjects ability to withstand a very uncomfortable set up. And one that seems designed to create actual or perceived denial.

Any thoughts?
 
Britva415 said:
@cascadiabound @riverj
What are you guys meaning by saying "presentation oriented?"

What's the alternative?

What's the objection?

What's "real" shibari if the "presentation oriented" kind is not it?

I don't know, I'm asking. I don't know anything about this stuff. But what I'm getting from these comments is that "presentation oriented" seems to be not preferred, or somehow disfavored. So educate an ignorant noob
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I think it's all real. But some ropework images are made for the beauty of the image, as opposed to ropework which is intimate and designed for play and or bondage etc.

I do not object at all to images that have a presentation feel to them. In fact they are some of my favorite images because they heighten for me a sense of humiliation, control, objectification.

In the case of the image I posted recently that at first glance looked like a studio photo shoot (the lighting is perfect, her body is within ideal specifications etc), when I looked more closely I realized she was obscenely turned on. Which to me is hot af. And it tells me that she felt safe and she has an emotional connection to her rigger and/or her photographer. It makes me wonder how long she had been tied when that image was taken. It makes me want to see the 100 images before it and the 100 images after.
It makes me wonder what words were used, what other stimulation was applied to make her that dripping wet.

If you read judgment in my comments, it was not my intent.

I just try to get in touch with what my eyes are seeing in these images, what they provoke in me and how they make me feel. I can only speak for myself.
 
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Britva415 said:
@cascadiabound @riverj
What are you guys meaning by saying "presentation oriented?"

What's the alternative?

What's the objection?

What's "real" shibari if the "presentation oriented" kind is not it?

I don't know, I'm asking. I don't know anything about this stuff. But what I'm getting from these comments is that "presentation oriented" seems to be not preferred, or somehow disfavored. So educate an ignorant noob
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Hi,
Answering only for myself I interpret the term presentation as meaning for art work / photo shoot only. That is as opposed to work where the participants are obviously more engaged and focused on their activity. There is nothing at all wrong with presentation work in my mind.... it has generated much inspiration for myself and partners. I was only noting the differences.
RJ
 
cascadiabound said:
I think it's all real. But some ropework images are made for the beauty of the image, as opposed to ropework which is intimate and designed for play and or bandage etc.

I do not object at all to images that have a presentation feel to them. In fact they are some of my favorite images because they heighten for me a sense of humiliation, control, objectification.

In the case of the image I posted recently that at first glance looked like a studio photo shoot (the lighting is perfect, her body is within ideal specifications etc), when I looked more closely I realized she was obscenely turned on. Which to me is hot af. And it tells me that she felt safe and she has an emotional connection to her rigger and/or her photographer. It makes me wonder how long she had been tied when that image was taken. It makes me want to see the 100 images before it and the 100 images after.
It makes me wonder what words were used, what other stimulation was applied to make her that dripping wet.

If you read judgment in my comments, it was not my intent.

I just try to get in touch with with my eyes are seeing in these images, what they provoke in me and how they make me feel. I can only speak for myself.
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I think I get it. It seems like you're talking about the difference between doing it for the experience of the play, versus doing it mainly for the visual result.
 
Britva415 said:
@cascadiabound @riverj
What are you guys meaning by saying "presentation oriented?"

What's the alternative?

What's the objection?

What's "real" shibari if the "presentation oriented" kind is not it?

I don't know, I'm asking. I don't know anything about this stuff. But what I'm getting from these comments is that "presentation oriented" seems to be not preferred, or somehow disfavored. So educate an ignorant noob
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Presentation is all about making a visual impression. Clean, smooth, neat, regular patterns all at the same angles, etc. very precise and careful to meet some goal(s).

Functional is more about getting the person bound so they can only move as desired.

Best, imo, is a bit of both, like riverj’s image:
riverj said:
Nice rope work. I enjoy the wrap effect. This is more presentation but still good.....


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Smooth, regular loops all the same, but also used to restrict options. That long stretch between her elbows won’t compress much thanks to all the wrapping, for instance.

Note that there can be safety issues both ways. Too much rope may take too long to take off, and too many loops if not done right can slowly increase tension further than expected/desired. Too little rope puts too much pressure on too small an area and leads to bruising or worse if under load. Too few loops can also slip, changing body posture perhaps in dangerous ways.
 
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