Should gay couples raise kids?

[Kuuroinochou]

It shouldn't be based on the sexual orientation of a couple but the stability of their household. Do they have a stable home? Are they paying their bills? Do they have the monetary value to raise a child? Are they mentally stable and can they honestly provide for that child while keeping themselves afloat?

These are the things we should look for when considering a child to be raised in a family gay or not. I get very steamed when people automatically assume that gay couples are unfit to be parents. This is so typical of our society feeding such BS.

I know a girl raised by two gay men and she is an absolute angel. Very well mannered, well groomed and she enjoys her life. She's gone off to college and made something of herself. Has even been married to a young man and has children of her own. There is nothing in her life being raised by these two men that changed. I could see the same outcome with a straight couple it wouldn't even matter. So seriously all this talk about who should raise kids and who shouldn't is absolute BS.

More kids these days are being abused around the clock by straight couples so what makes them any better?

 

[Hello4Kitty]

I think it's funny that they people, who claim to be ok with a same sex couple or a homosexual person raising a child is because it's better than a group home etc.

What about people who are raising their own biological children? Couples who use donate sperm/eggs or a surrogate. People who are bi-sexual or who didn't 'figure it out' until after a straight relationship.

If the home is free of abuse, it's stable etc I don't see why a couple cannot raise children. As for the lack of a role model of the other gender - there is family, friends, the Big brother/sister program etc for that.


As for child abuse in my own experience the people who go after kids live heterosexual adult lives, relationships etc

 

[Chemscout]

Personally, I don't agree with same sex couples raising children. Just my opinion.


CS

 

[AngelofDeath]

Personally, I don't agree with same sex couples raising children. Just my opinion.


CS

Why not? If you are going to put yourself out there with that statement back it up.

 

[Chemscout]

Well, since you asked.

I don't think that it is a healthy environment to raise a child. A child needs a mother and a father to properly develop, and same sex couples cannot give that to them. Also, there is the question of whether that is a psychologically healthy environment for the child in question.

 

[AngelofDeath]

Well, since you asked.

I don't think that it is a healthy environment to raise a child. A child needs a mother and a father to properly develop, and same sex couples cannot give that to them. Also, there is the question of whether that is a psychologically healthy environment for the child in question.

Hmm single parents mange just fine without one or the other and THOSE kids turn out well so your first argument is out the window.

As for the second the same was probably said of mixed race couples because they are BOTH so different right. Also there have been long term studies on the affect of gay parents vs straight. No difference. So what do you define as a "healthy environment?"

Two loving parents vested in the well being of their child/children and capable of being not only emotionally and financially stable enough to support them?

 

[albertaboy]

My sister and her wife/husband have two kids, the firs is a girl who is one of the happiest well adjusted, loved 4 year olds you will ever meet. The second is a boy who is 6 months old, I don't question my sister whom I love and respect very much or her spouse whom I feel the same way about's ability to love and raise a kid.

But I do wonder how Sam is going to learn how to throw a baseball?

I think it's easy when the kids are little and they live in a very gay part of Toronto so for the kids it's almost normal, but I expect it will get more difficult when the kids get older.

 

[Chemscout]

Hmm single parents mange just fine without one or the other and THOSE kids turn out well so your first argument is out the window.

I would have to disagree here. Single mothers raising children and the overall degeneration of the 'traditional family' is, in my opinion, a major contributing factor to the number of young adults winding up in trouble with the law.

Nothing can take the place of a family with a mother and father. Of opposite sexes.

 

[AngelofDeath]

Hmm - Obama's mother raised him as a single mother for a good part of his life. Several other successful people were raised by their mothers or fathers. Its not a matter of one parent or two but the MORALS they are brought up with. if mom or dad doesn't have the best morals the kids won't either.

And the majority of kids in trouble with the law come from more two parents families than single parent families.

 

[AngelofDeath]

My sister and her wife/husband have two kids, the firs is a girl who is one of the happiest well adjusted, loved 4 year olds you will ever meet. The second is a boy who is 6 months old, I don't question my sister whom I love and respect very much or her spouse whom I feel the same way about's ability to love and raise a kid.

But I do wonder how Sam is going to learn how to throw a baseball?

I think it's easy when the kids are little and they live in a very gay part of Toronto so for the kids it's almost normal, but I expect it will get more difficult when the kids get older.

What if Sam doesn't want to play baseball? lol.

 

[Chemscout]

Its not a matter of one parent or two but the MORALS they are brought up with. if mom or dad doesn't have the best morals the kids won't either.

And the majority of kids in trouble with the law come from more two parents families than single parent families.

I completely disagree, and I cannot recall a single text or study that agreed with your point, either. Morals, as important as they are, don't replace a father. And as much as you tout Obama's mother, she didn't teach him that murdering babies was wrong, did she?

Is that the kind of moral rearing you're referring to?

 

[AngelofDeath]

Once you're 18 what you do with your life and the choices you make political moral or otherwise are your own to make. I didn't know we were obligated to follow the same paths of our parents. I guess I should change religions and lifestyles then.

You do agree with single or same sex parenting? Fine but do the problems of today's youth on the fact they grew up in single parent households. The number of LAW abiding children of single parents outnumbers those or none law abiding children.

Not to mention there is such a thing as personal responsibility. If you are brought up to know stealing is wrong and you still go out at 15 16 and do it would a father or mother in your life have changed that? No it wouldn't have.

The other problem with your argument is that you and others with that particular one seems to forget that the majority of gay couples have supportive families on both sides, so there will be MEN and there will be WOMEN in their lives.

There have been single parents since the dawn of time. If we've survived as a species this long I doubt same sex parents is going to rock the boat that much

 

[Chemscout]

The number of LAW abiding children of single parents outnumbers those or none law abiding children.

It still doesn't change the fact that having two parents of opposite sex is better than the alternative.


CS

 

[DarkBee]

It still doesn't change the fact that having two parents of opposite sex is better than the alternative.

CS

Shut up, right-wing boy, you know you're wrong, you just don't want to admit it. All the arguments supporting same-sex househoulds here are well thought off and totally destroy everything you believed in/were told.

 

[Hello4Kitty]

I wonder if the whole gay people can't raise kids comes from the idea they might raise gay children. Funny so many male/female couples end up with a kid less than 100% straight. Maybe it's not just nuture which decides those things.

Many single parents do their best to make sure their child has strong adult role models of both genders. It's not impossible.

 

[none2_none2]

It still doesn't change the fact that having two parents of opposite sex is better than the alternative.

CS

Chemscout, you obviously don't know what you are talking about. I was raised by two women, and that did not negatively affect my upbringing. Oh, by the way, they weren't lesbians; they were my mother and grandma. My grandpa died when I was 7.5 from cancer, and my Dad was only in the picture for 3.5 years in my teens when he was granted custody. Those years were the worst years in my entire 48.5 years of my life.

There are no licenses required to have kids, they just happen. Some people rise to the occasion, others do not. I is better to be raised by a person or persons who put the child on the top of their priority list than to be raised by some configuration of plumbing that makes the neighbors more comfortable.

If we went by your primitive logic, we should mandate that widows or divorced people with children find someone else of the opposite sex and get married. Alternative configurations of families aren't solely a result of kinky sexual relationships. Though out history mothers have died giving birth to kids or before they reach adulthood. Fathers have died before they have reached adulthood. Mothers & fathers have abandoned children too. Death doesn't happen like it did before modern medical science, but it is always a possibility. Humans have evolved past the rest of the animal kingdom. In the animal kingdom, if the parents (or just mother) die, so died the offspring. For humans, we typically try to help out. There is no guarantee that a child with no father gets a new father, a child with no mother gets a new mother, or a child without both parents gets both a new mom & dad. What is important is to have someone see that the kids are loved and properly taken care of. That is all that really matters.

 

[PhoebeGB]

Should Politicians raise kids?

 

[AngelofDeath]

Should Politicians raise kids?

Not if they are prolife and can't even manage to teach their kids how to use a condom and put them on birth control - GOP VP's Teen Daughter Pregnant

 

[Chemscout]

<<<Shut up, right-wing boy, you know you're wrong, you just don't want to admit it. All the arguments supporting same-sex househoulds here are well thought off and totally destroy everything you believed in/were told.>>>

Wow, DarkBee...that's an intelligent thing to say. Is this a thread to discuss the idea of whether or not same sex couples should raise kids? If so, I would think that a dissenting opinion would be welcome--hence the word discussion. Or is this simply a thread for like-minded people to affirm their beliefs and pat each other on the back?

I haven't attacked anyone 'ad hominem', but apparently you are less open minded than you would let on.

Personally, I think you're rude.

 

[PhoebeGB]

Hold your horses, scout, I'm sure we're all willing to discuss the issue... as soon as you put forward a rational viewpoint. Merely dissenting or setting yourself up in opposition to something is hardly putting forward a reasoned set of criteria for discussion of the subject.

 

[alaskabibear]

The question, (and a good number of the responses), fall victim to the common human tendency to believe there is a simple right and a wrong answer to a complex question. (sort of a "perfect world" illusion). It is the all too common trait of humans trying to lump everyone in a given group into the same pile. Bottom line is there is no right or wrong answer to this question. There are wonderfully qualified heterosexual people who raise children - and there are many not so wonderful ones ruining children's lives every day. Same with gay/lesbian people. (and for those still having trouble getting over the bigotry of racism - same thing holds true).

I guess if I was a child without a home or family, I would care less the color, shape, sexual orientation or any other characteristic a person had - if they were willing to give me a home, love, food and education I'd be damn happy!

(I am more concerned about people bringing half a dozen or more kids into a world already over-populated than I am about the gay couple offering love and care to an abandoned child????)

 

[HardNightDay]

What do you think?

Some people like to argue that the child won't have a good time growing up, he or she will be teased or the parents wont be good rolemodels, good parents and stuff.

Any couples that want to start a family have to ask themselves if they can support a child or if they would be good parents and give him or her a stable home. That's not a luxary regular couples dont have to ask themselves right? And if they don't think so then they shouldn't

I have thought of three reasons why!

1) Anything beats growing up in an orphanage

2) Global population, it would slow that down

3) People are more open minded about it now then before and it will get more accepted with time and become less of an issue and focus

There are many, many, many gay people raising children right now. They may not be in a gay relationship, but roughly 1 in 10 parents may be gay.

I've never done this exercise, but I bet if one went back a few years, before gay rights when homosexuality wasn't discussed, and found a book on parenting, then summarized what makes a parent a good parent from that book, not one bit of it would relate to ones sexual orientation.

 

[John Doe]

There are many, many, many gay people raising children right now. They may not be in a gay relationship, but roughly 1 in 10 parents may be gay.

I've never done this exercise, but I bet if one went back a few years, before gay rights when homosexuality wasn't discussed, and found a book on parenting, then summarized what makes a parent a good parent from that book, not one bit of it would relate to ones sexual orientation.

I bet you're right.

 

[Recidiva]

Go for it.

Best thing going for them is there's no possible way it's an accident or unwanted.

 

[andygorn]

It still doesn't change the fact that having two parents of opposite sex is better than the alternative. CS

"Better"? As in how?:
Less crime? Less anti-social behaviour? Less racial violence? Better attitude to society in general? Better education? Better manners and social skills? Better language skills? Better (as in more) 'rounded' people as a result?