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Peanut. Neither (let the poor animals live). Neither (bring your own bag).
Skinny vs. Curvy
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Peanut. Neither (let the poor animals live). Neither (bring your own bag).
ownedsubgal
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the difference is that one standard can be reasonably determined (as in, most of the time) by appearance, while the other cannot. i can look at broad shoulders, firm biceps, and well-developed lat muscles on a man and make a fairly safe assumption that he has the strength to carry me out of that burning building. but you just cannot look at a woman who is 40-60 lbs overweight and a bit plump and assume that she can be spanked, slapped, punched and kicked ten ways to sunday without hurting a thing. and any man operating with that assumption when seeking out a sexual partner would have to be a world-class moron.
now of course, we're all absolutely entitled to our personal preferences when it comes to appearance or anything else. but when dumb "logic" is all that's backing up, that irritates me a bit. also, my own personal preferences in men play a role in why i don't like to hear the "i don't want to break you" stuff. any man who is too uptight, insecure/uncomfortable with his own masculinity, or just plain afraid...to truly have his way with my body, is not a man i could ever find attractive. in other words, i'm turned off by pussies...both kinds.
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the difference is that one standard can be reasonably determined (as in, most of the time) by appearance, while the other cannot. i can look at broad shoulders, firm biceps, and well-developed lat muscles on a man and make a fairly safe assumption that he has the strength to carry me out of that burning building. but you just cannot look at a woman who is 40-60 lbs overweight and a bit plump and assume that she can be spanked, slapped, punched and kicked ten ways to sunday without hurting a thing. and any man operating with that assumption when seeking out a sexual partner would have to be a world-class moron.
now of course, we're all absolutely entitled to our personal preferences when it comes to appearance or anything else. but when dumb "logic" is all that's backing up, that irritates me a bit. also, my own personal preferences in men play a role in why i don't like to hear the "i don't want to break you" stuff. any man who is too uptight, insecure/uncomfortable with his own masculinity, or just plain afraid...to truly have his way with my body, is not a man i could ever find attractive. in other words, i'm turned off by pussies...both kinds.
sdflkjxzdfkljxbzkjbxczknZlkjbzlkjbZXlkjcbXZLKJb affirming a contradiction my head explodes. It is not obvious that strength can be appraised by you and weakness cannot be appraised by others. There are little guys without boulder shoulders (or any visual cues) who do anerobic work all day long and are skinny as fuck but far, far stronger than the appearance would give away.
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Skinny. Love the thin flat stomach, thats the best! Men love thin women, thats why supermodels are so thin.
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I need a hotlink highway to that post of stella's about 'the natural place of a woman at the feet of a man'.
Also, look up Mauritania for a different culturally prefered body shape.
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I have found this to be very true. The best sex I've ever had were with the sorts of men who were practically bean pole thin, but strong as oxen. (Naturally slim and daily boot camp, or marathon runner types.)
No, supermodels are so thin because it allows a fashion designers creation to drape on their body like a clothes hanger.
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No, fashion designers are gay men with issues with the female body and almost every het male I met liked actresses who look like people who have a regular relationship with forks and plates. More toward the fit end of "people I see every day" than "genetic freak of height on caloric restriction to 800 a day" Almost every conversation like this with mainstream hetero men in it will go something like "supermodels are gross, but kardashian fat is too fat"
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the difference is that one standard can be reasonably determined (as in, most of the time) by appearance, while the other cannot. i can look at broad shoulders, firm biceps, and well-developed lat muscles on a man and make a fairly safe assumption that he has the strength to carry me out of that burning building. but you just cannot look at a woman who is 40-60 lbs overweight and a bit plump and assume that she can be spanked, slapped, punched and kicked ten ways to sunday without hurting a thing. and any man operating with that assumption when seeking out a sexual partner would have to be a world-class moron.
now of course, we're all absolutely entitled to our personal preferences when it comes to appearance or anything else. but when dumb "logic" is all that's backing up, that irritates me a bit. also, my own personal preferences in men play a role in why i don't like to hear the "i don't want to break you" stuff. any man who is too uptight, insecure/uncomfortable with his own masculinity, or just plain afraid...to truly have his way with my body, is not a man i could ever find attractive. in other words, i'm turned off by pussies...both kinds.
Yeah, this is where I'm getting stuck, too. Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like there's a hole in the logic here. Or at the very least, a double standard.
Additionally, I think I'm just looking at it from a different angle. I wasn't hearing any of the men saying, "Mmmmm, nope, you look too breakable, I don't want to play with you." I was hearing, "Wow, YOU look sturdy! What crazy shit can I think up to do with YOU!" I wasn't thinking about delicate-looking women being passed over so much as bigger women being appreciated. Does that happen, osg? Have you had men actually decline to engage with you sexually because they thought they'd "break" you? Because I'd agree, that seems pretty narrow-minded. Small girls can be tough as hell. I think it's just the LOOK that appeals to men...like stronger-looking men appeal to you.
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These guys...
http://imagecache6.allposters.com/LRG/26/2674/CG2UD00Z.jpg
...tend to be skinny as heck and ridiculously strong.
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Excellent point, as well as the others about judging by appearances. As I've said, I came to realize that what I really was hoping for out of this thread was that people are not judging books by their cover but by their content instead. Double standards abound in this world, needlessly. So I'm glad that we can question, rationally, an appearance of double standards in this thread. Thank you to all who are furthering that discussion and giving us food for thought.
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Bouldering shoulders!
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ownedsubgal
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no, i haven't had men "decline" to have sex with me for that reason, to my knowledge...however i have had more than a few sexual partners who admitted to physically holding back with me because they feared i would be too breakable to take it. and that really bothers me, that holding back. in my sex work, a primary goal of mine is to create an environment where men feel comfortable being their raw, uncensored and unapologetic masculine selves. so i've always felt frustrated and put-off by those who can't get past their own misconceptions or hang-ups or whatever to get to that point. i hate knowing that a man really really desires something, but won't dare do it, because he might "hurt" me. and again i also look at it from the other side, and how offended and ticked off i'd be if i were a larger woman and men assumed i were more "sturdy" because of it.
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I actually find most runway models unappealing because they look unhealthy, it looks like their faces seem to gain pounds lately.
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first, muscles are muscles, and whether a man is thick or thin they will not be hard to see. i am not ignorant enough to think that male strength only presents in packages 200lbs and more. and secondly, sdfjkljkfdlalkjasdfjklajfdlskafjsdklajfb to you, too.
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Not replying to you exactly, but your post was the first somewhat relevant one I found and too lazy to re-read a bunch of replies.
All this talk of muscles = strength when it comes to guys has reminded me of some thing that I saw on some channel about competitive weightlifting guys... you know, the ones that bench press 400lbs and such. Well, apparently the strongest guys on the planet don't look like muscle-builders at all. To the layperson, they'd look pretty overweight!
Just tossing that in there for some reason~
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i find myself really really attracted to those competitive Strongmen...and the majority of them, the most successful ones, definitely don't have that 'roided up stereotypical bodybuilder physique. i've also thought of an awesome new event: the subbie toss. this is where the men pair off and take turns tossing me back and forth to each other at a distance of 8 feet. i'd happily volunteer free of charge.
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i find myself really really attracted to those competitive Strongmen...and the majority of them, the most successful ones, definitely don't have that 'roided up stereotypical bodybuilder physique. i've also thought of an awesome new event: the subbie toss. this is where the men pair off and take turns tossing me back and forth to each other at a distance of 8 feet. i'd happily volunteer free of charge.
Coxswain toss! I was a rower in college and the men's team seriously used to play this. It was funny.
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i find myself really really attracted to those competitive Strongmen...and the majority of them, the most successful ones, definitely don't have that 'roided up stereotypical bodybuilder physique. i've also thought of an awesome new event: the subbie toss. this is where the men pair off and take turns tossing me back and forth to each other at a distance of 8 feet. i'd happily volunteer free of charge.
subbie olympics!
Why am I envisioning a (more) sadistic form of curling?
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Coxswain toss! I was a rower in college and the men's team seriously used to play this. It was funny.
You are kidding me!
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Yes. Powerlifters look like - powerlifters. I find them totally yum, but I'm about as widely interested when it comes to men as women.
Two words: Horsey rides. Or four. "Horsey rides" and "carry me."
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i find myself really really attracted to those competitive Strongmen...and the majority of them, the most successful ones, definitely don't have that 'roided up stereotypical bodybuilder physique. i've also thought of an awesome new event: the subbie toss. this is where the men pair off and take turns tossing me back and forth to each other at a distance of 8 feet. i'd happily volunteer free of charge.
I had that done to me as a kid at a family pool party and it was epic fun. Now to imagine the same thing, except with sexual undertones? I'm soo in.
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Hey I'm one of those guys.
Been working on a problem for about 2 weeks now, and it's way up at the very end of a difficult climb. I'm literally 5 inches from the top at the moment of fail, and of course for me that means starting over from the bottom. Tried it 3 times today
I'll get it though, somehow.
See I'm good at pulling shit, not so great at pushing it.
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