Socialism is NOT un-American

[Chernosoth]

This is over 2 hours long, so I haven't heard all of it yet:
Slackers love socialism. The more severe socialists become trapped in their anger and beliefs, so they're always fighting the world that rejects their beliefs. And Trump is too liberal and too feminist. Many of his problems would disappear if he stops hiring women. There's probably something for anyone who wants to tee off on something disagreeable.

 

[JohnEngelman]

oil will not run out. We have to get the deranged, brainwashed left to realize that we need more nuclear power plants

We need green sources of energy.

 

[JohnEngelman]

 

[subdudeme13]

We need green sources of energy.

Green energy is less expensive than fossil fule. That is a fact. If you can have intrinsically safe nuclear energy I am all for it.

 

[AlexBailey]

Who wants a world like that! I love owning over 30 homes

Buy you owning 30 homes, assuming you live in one, there are 29 households who are not investing in generational wealth. Those 29 families or individuals are in competition for housing with someone who is already wealthy enough that their needs are met.

You have used your economic leverage to eat someone else’s lunch. Your defense of capitalism is personal. You don’t want to think of yourself as a hoarder who is disadvantaging other people. Worse, you don’t want to help the losers that you help create.

 

[AlexBailey]

oil will not run out. We have to get the deranged, brainwashed left to realize that we need more nuclear power plants

Oil will not run out. It will just become more difficult and less efficient to harvest.

Venezuelan oil is much heavier than American or Middle Eastern crude. Petroleum from the Canadian tar sands is even worse. By using those dirtiest sources, pollution and greenhouse gas production is accelerating.

You must be certain all of those climate scientists are wrong if you are sleeping easy. Where did you study science?

 

[SebastianHolt]

Buy you owning 30 homes, assuming you live in one, there are 29 households who are not investing in generational wealth. Those 29 families or individuals are in competition for housing with someone who is already wealthy enough that their needs are met.

You have used your economic leverage to eat someone else’s lunch. Your defense of capitalism is personal. You don’t want to think of yourself as a hoarder who is disadvantaging other people. Worse, you don’t want to help the losers that you help create.

by that logic Walmart is a horder

 

[SebastianHolt]

your details are not correct

these were the same people "socialist after capitalists"

 

[SebastianHolt]

Buy you owning 30 homes, assuming you live in one, there are 29 households who are not investing in generational wealth. Those 29 families or individuals are in competition for housing with someone who is already wealthy enough that their needs are met.

You have used your economic leverage to eat someone else’s lunch. Your defense of capitalism is personal. You don’t want to think of yourself as a hoarder who is disadvantaging other people. Worse, you don’t want to help the losers that you help create.

where the bulk of my properties are located is a destination ie a week (to two weeks) visit. we flip them like Burger King

 

[AlexBailey]

by that logic Walmart is a horder

Walmart is a great example. It’s owned by some of the wealthiest people in the world, and though their prices were low they were suffering from a bad reputation as an employer.


Walmart has gone through a recent major overhaul of its business model because it was getting hammered with blowback from its selfish and shortsighted policies.

They recently raised employees wages and have earned a more reliable workforce, helping the company operate more efficiently. It also raised public image and decreased the load on social services caused by employees who could not make ends meet. It’s also helped increases their customer base by increasing employee spending power.

Walmart still benefits from public infrastructure by requiring municipalities to pay for road access and utility improvements. Paying their employees enough that that can get by without relying on food stamps is a big step in the right direction.

 

[AlexBailey]

where the bulk of my properties are located is a destination ie a week (to two weeks) visit. we flip them like Burger King

Oh yeah? Where? Hawaii? Tahoe? Cape Cod? The Napa Valley? Some other pricy destination?

Are you at all aware of the struggles in the local economy of those areas?

People buying houses to rent out on AirBnB reduces housing available for locals, raising prices to the point where the low wages of service industry jobs reduce their ability to own and invest in homes of their own.

Do you have trouble finding good help? I hear lots of landlords in your situation whine about how hard it is to find good housekeeping or an available contractor when they need one. Those businesses often have a hard time finding reliable employees who can find affordable housing.

Hoarders of real estate like you make tidy profits, both short and long term while the working class falls further behind. Meanwhile you don’t want your success to be taxed to pay for the infrastructure that benefits you.

 

[SebastianHolt]

Walmart is a great example. It’s owned by some of the wealthiest people in the world, and though their prices were low they were suffering from a bad reputation as an employer.


Walmart has gone through a recent major overhaul of its business model because it was getting hammered with blowback from its selfish and shortsighted policies.

They recently raised employees wages and have earned a more reliable workforce, helping the company operate more efficiently. It also raised public image and decreased the load on social services caused by employees who could not make ends meet. It’s also helped increases their customer base by increasing employee spending power.

Walmart still benefits from public infrastructure by requiring municipalities to pay for road access and utility improvements. Paying their employees enough that that can get by without relying on food stamps is a big step in the right direction.

I'm torn on employee pay ... on the one hand supply and demand. on the other full time employees shouldn't need welfare

 

[Qky75]

Imagine how it could help the American economy and the people to have universal healthcare.


If the US had Universal Healthcare:



1. Employers would not need to provide it. They would be able to focus attention on their business instead of wasting all of the attention on the bureaucracy of insurance policies.

2. American businesses would be more competitive on the world market because they would not be competing with companies that do not pay for employee healthcare.

3. Employers could better rely on a healthy workforce.

4. Employees could change jobs, even move without gaps in coverage.

5. Students would be covered while studying.

6. Citizens of all income levels would be able to participate in activities without risking financial devastation for minor injuries.

7. Liability and homeowners insurance would not be so expensive because it would not have to cover the cost of attorneys’ fees and medical bills for things like slip and fall accident.

8. Businesses and establishments of all sorts would have the same benefits listed in 7 above.

9. Children would have health coverage regardless of parental resources.

10. Patients would be covered for their medical needs and would not encumber loved ones and relatives when insurance coverage ends.

11. US citizens could live more comfortably with the security of knowing that injury or illness would not be able to consume all of their resources at a time when their ability to earn is diminished.

12. Fewer people would wait until issues become unbearable, saving cost through prevention and early treatment rather than relying on the ER for their first line of service.

13. Auto insurance could be used of vehicle and property damage rather than needing to provide overlapping medical services.

14. The cost of bureaucracy involved in establishing someone’s ability to pay would be gone.

15. Employers could more easily hire talent for short term positions as needed.


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Basically:

More US citizens would be able to live well and free without being continually exposed to such a high possibility of catastrophic financial loss.

America businesses would be able to focus on business.

This would “promote the general welfare.”

Sounds great on paper doesn't it. I work in healthcare and while I cannot stand the current system in America, you'll be hard up finding anyone working for government pay scale. There is zero incentive for incoming physicians to take on the liability and demand to stay competitive without financial gain. The American population is brainwashed into believing in no other alternative. The malpractice insurance required along with the litigious culture in this country would crush the entire system before it could even be tested properly. The equipment & supply vendors and pharmaceutical companies will certainly not all of the sudden go non-profit. As much as I'd be giddy about it, the health insurance industry would collapse unless it went something like Medicaid does currently with privatized contractors. Medicare already forces providers to "eat" fees for various services or face stiff penalties and black listing. Such is an already dangerous precedent set should we nationalize healthcare currently. Another lovely example already in practice is the Veterans Administration. The dumpster fire shitshows known as VA hospitals are the model of government funded institutional healthcare. Long lines for service with minimal service given, understaffed and overworked employees and doctors forced to turn a blind eye to the actual needs of the patient - and these patients faced harm for their country and were promised to be taken care of - hardly the stereotypical "lazy worthless" types conservatives love to use as the recipients of nationalized healthcare.

 

[SebastianHolt]

Oh yeah? Where? Hawaii? Tahoe? Cape Cod? The Napa Valley? Some other pricy destination?

Are you at all aware of the struggles in the local economy of those areas?

People buying houses to rent out on AirBnB reduces housing available for locals, raising prices to the point where the low wages of service industry jobs reduce their ability to own and invest in homes of their own.

Do you have trouble finding good help? I hear lots of landlords in your situation whine about how hard it is to find good housekeeping or an available contractor when they need one. Those businesses often have a hard time finding reliable employees who can find affordable housing.

Hoarders like you make tidy profits while the working class falls further behind. Meanwhile you don’t want your success to be taxed to pay for the infrastructure that benefits you.

if someone is good and loyal there is a price for that and a relation worth keeping (long term)

 

[SebastianHolt]

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socialism takes motivation out of the equation. This is why the only thing russia was good at was making tons of shit war equipment

 

[AlexBailey]

Sounds great on paper doesn't it. I work in healthcare and while I cannot stand the current system in America, you'll be hard up finding anyone working for government pay scale. There is zero incentive for incoming physicians to take on the liability and demand to stay competitive without financial gain. The American population is brainwashed into believing in no other alternative. The malpractice insurance required along with the litigious culture in this country would crush the entire system before it could even be tested properly. The equipment & supply vendors and pharmaceutical companies will certainly not all of the sudden go non-profit. As much as I'd be giddy about it, the health insurance industry would collapse unless it went something like Medicaid does currently with privatized contractors. Medicare already forces providers to "eat" fees for various services or face stiff penalties and black listing. Such is an already dangerous precedent set should we nationalize healthcare currently. Another lovely example already in practice is the Veterans Administration. The dumpster fire shitshows known as VA hospitals are the model of government funded institutional healthcare. Long lines for service with minimal service given, understaffed and overworked employees and doctors forced to turn a blind eye to the actual needs of the patient - and these patients faced harm for their country and were promised to be taken care of - hardly the stereotypical "lazy worthless" types conservatives love to use as the recipients of nationalized healthcare.

So how much do providers spend on billing and writing off services that patients can’t afford?

Imagine if a private practice doctor didn’t need to have billing staff trained in arguing for reimbursements?

Imagine if they could focus on patient needs instead of their ability to pay?

Many doctors and nurses get into medicine because they want to help people and end up leaving because they hate the bureaucracy.

 

[SebastianHolt]

So how much do providers spend on billing and writing off services that patients can’t afford?

Imagine if a private practice doctor didn’t need to have billing staff trained in arguing for reimbursements?

Imagine if they could focus on patient needs instead of their ability to pay?

Many doctors and nurses get into medicine because they want to help people and end up leaving because they hate the bureaucracy.

billing is a one person job these days when the office has high end software

 

[Qky75]

So how much do providers spend on billing and writing off services that patients can’t afford?

Imagine if a private practice doctor didn’t need to have billing staff trained in arguing for reimbursements?

Imagine if they could focus on patient needs instead of their ability to pay?

Many doctors and nurses get into medicine because they want to help people and end up leaving because they hate the bureaucracy.

Sadly, I'm seeing more and more give the finger to social programs and go cash or private insurance only because what the government gives them is not sustainable.

Additionally, the idea of a nationalized healthcare in America (I know I narrowed the scope from American Socialism to a single aspect..sorry) assumes the government actually cares about its citizens which has been proven the opposite for the past 251 years. Not a single public servant at the top of the food chainbon either side of the fence gives a rat's ass about anything other than their own pockets.

 

[SebastianHolt]

"Yes, I am my brother's keeper. I am under a moral obligation to him that is inspired, not by any maudlin sentimentality, but by the higher duty I owe to myself. What would you think of me if I were capable of seating myself at a table and gorging myself with food and saw about me the children of my fellow beings starving to death?'

"While there is a lower class, I am in it, while there is a criminal element, I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free."

-- Eugene Debs

What could be more American than THAT?

There is actually a long and deep socialist tradition in this country. The Republican Party in its original formation included Marxists -- and Lincoln appointed several Marxists to high civil and military posts. In fact, Karl Marx himself was the London correspondent for Horace Greely's pro-Republican New York Tribune.
https://www.amazon.com/Word-History-American-Tradition-Socialism/dp/1784783404/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1MTXLMM7ZJFHN&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.XsEUMsCoOSugDJDD4KTz8XhR6GT6Uda49Rp49frCtmD47_JdDEvWKQ8p5NSqgJvdvRBXKZVY2z6JpKxq4ty4-utzNiqRt-6BoTz1kydZIocY5brVGw0Aq06Pk8Q_G-f9SMjnhpxALdLs-G0kty4k_KWDY6qJI_xUheV7KsG1MvKR6nFtM_sDfhqvuhVqCPhJoFyK9syAizm1DYF9nRqf0yna4FQO-_Ra-rULAcNro6c.RHdx5wh3Ov6GX46GKMFCgnqw0qx3iULWlv9PtBMHt9A&dib_tag=se&keywords=the+"s"+word&qid=1772600054&sprefix=the+s+word,aps,249&sr=8-4

the problem with your kind ... you have this angle you like ie socialism (as your poor and lazy) and want to live this lifestyle only you want to force it upon everyone.

no retard

you live your life and stop trying to force your retarded ideas upon others

 

[AlexBailey]

Sadly, I'm seeing more and more give the finger to social programs and go cash or private insurance only because what the government gives them is not sustainable.

Additionally, the idea of a nationalized healthcare in America (I know I narrowed the scope from American Socialism to a single aspect..sorry) assumes the government actually cares about its citizens which has been proven the opposite for the past 251 years. Not a single public servant at the top of the food chainbon either side of the fence gives a rat's ass about anything other than their own pockets.

Yeah, that’s true about meager reimbursements from the government. It’s like we have a whole system of gatekeeping designed to keep costs down in the short-sighted short-term.

Still, a single payer system would save tons of administrative expenses. Some estimates of healthcare admin costs in the US are ~ $1T annually.

 

[AlexBailey]

billing is a one person job these days when the office has high end software

Yeah, that might be a downside to a single payer healthcare - administration jobs lost. Of course you’ve pointed out ‘high end software’ I.e. AI.

Just how extremely AI adaption is going to affect the jobs market has yet to be determined.

Are we just going to euthanize the losers? There are probably going to be a lot of them.