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What America really needs to do is put an end to Movement Conservatism once and for all

PaxNurgle said:
Some good points here, yes, but as mentioned:

1) Undocumented people entering the US are not the problem that it is hyped up to be. I actually support rounding up and deporting criminals who illegally come to the US to commit crimes and cause havoc. I do NOT support rounding up innocent, non-violent farmworkers, dishwashers, students, and mothers- which is what is actually happening (and why the protests are happening.)

2) Stop spending more than we earn. Yes, but let's have a fair and reasonable tax code. Cutting social services, raising taxes on the poor so they can give the Elon Musks of this country a tax break is NOT the way to do it.

3) Take care of your people first. This administration is taking care of his people all right, his ultra-wealthy billionaires. He's fucking over everyone else though. This should be pretty obvious to everyone by now (for some reason a few people still refuse to accept this.)

4) In order to purge the tyranny and corruption of the Trump administration, and push for fairer, reasonable government that works for all people, the opposition party needs to market itself better, work for common values that all people can embrace, stop focusing too much attention on controversial social issues (trans people in sports? errrm....) and focus on economic populism- to appeal to voters. The way the Right PRETENDED to, while actually delivering the opposite.
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illegals must go! illegals are the problem (well one of them that the left has made)
 
PaxNurgle said:
Some good points here, yes, but as mentioned:

1) Undocumented people entering the US are not the problem that it is hyped up to be. I actually support rounding up and deporting criminals who illegally come to the US to commit crimes and cause havoc. I do NOT support rounding up innocent, non-violent farmworkers, dishwashers, students, and mothers- which is what is actually happening (and why the protests are happening.)

2) Stop spending more than we earn. Yes, but let's have a fair and reasonable tax code. Cutting social services, raising taxes on the poor so they can give the Elon Musks of this country a tax break is NOT the way to do it.

3) Take care of your people first. This administration is taking care of his people all right, his ultra-wealthy billionaires. He's fucking over everyone else though. This should be pretty obvious to everyone by now (for some reason a few people still refuse to accept this.)

4) In order to purge the tyranny and corruption of the Trump administration, and push for fairer, reasonable government that works for all people, the opposition party needs to market itself better, work for common values that all people can embrace, stop focusing too much attention on controversial social issues (trans people in sports? errrm....) and focus on economic populism- to appeal to voters. The way the Right PRETENDED to, while actually delivering the opposite.
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we must cut taxes on the wealthy~~
 
Wilson23 said:
We've tried that before -- the wealth never does trickle down.
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because the left never learns how to get off his or her ass. democrats are like baby birds with their mouths open waiting for someone to shove something in
 
SebastianHolt said:
because the left never learns how to get off his or her ass. democrats are like baby birds with their mouths open waiting for someone to shove something in
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So what? When you make public policy you have to make it for the people you have, not the people you wish you had.
 
Politruk said:
That would be the Democrats, if the party were to soft-pedal culture-war issues and embrace economic left-populism. As things stand now, there is no party that really looks out for the interests of the working class, or really threatens the plutocracy.
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Democrats are weak. like watching men in panthose dance
 
Politruk said:
The New Right began in 1964. It has never since then been right about anything at all, and it has never accomplished anything that was not harmful to the nation -- least of all the Reagan Administration. Tear Down This Myth! What started as anticommunism morphed into the Tea Party and Trumpism -- which is a form of fascism, and even Communism is always to be preferred to that.

Mike Lofgren writes:

I am referring to extreme right-wing or fascist ideology, which for all its local varieties has a common core of beliefs or, more accurately, attitudes and poses. In the multiparty systems of Europe, it is usually represented by recently created parties to the right of traditional conservative parties. In the U.S. two-party system, it has swallowed one of the two existing parties, usurping the role of conservatism and exploiting traditional party loyalties.

Thus it is, in the United States at least, whether through merger or hostile takeover, that there is now no meaningful distinction between conservative, far-right and fascist; they are also identified with the Republican Party. I shall use all these terms interchangeably, because they have become synonymous.

Some former followers of the movement (often in organizations like the Lincoln Project) claim that that the current dogmas of the GOP are a betrayal of “true” conservatism. This is a fundamental error: Ideologies are not platonic essences, existing unchanged beyond time and space. Like the biological process of life, they evolve according to need, opportunity and contingency. Conservatism coevolved with the opportunism of its leaders and the character of the American people who voted for its politicians.

Nevertheless, American conservatism would not have become what it is now (authoritarianism or fascism or Trumpism, or however political scientists choose to describe it) unless it was capable of developing in that direction, unless it already contained the seed of its present form in its ideological DNA. And unless it had a receptive audience.
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America is far better off with conservatism vs the left
 
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