Some fights go on forever

[DVS]

Beatles

and in the end
the love you take
is equal to the love
you make

Fixed that for ya'.

 

[cfuhrer]

back when music was music....


(jesusHcheeeeerist I am sounding like my old man 50 years ago)

Something like:

"Turn that crap down!"

Maybe?

 

[DVS]

Jefferson Airplane! I still have a crush on Grace Slick.

Here's a little present for you and a blast from the past for some of us old folks.

 

[JustaSCOUNDREL]

I can't get no satisfaction

The song or your own personal problem?

Just had to ask.

 

[rot_teufel]

The song,no maybe both

 

[DVS]

I decided to add some music, when it was good. Turn it up, folks. Oh, I don't take credit for some of the cheesy videos. MTV hadn't come around, yet.

Moody Blues-Nights in White Satin

Procol Harum - A Whiter Shade Of Pale

Jethro Tull - Aqualung -1977

I saw him do this LIVE, a long time ago. I was with my girlfriend, front row center. I'll never forget it.
Arlo Guthrie - Alice's Restaurant - Original 1967 Recording

I played this in several bands. It was always a crowd pleaser. Yes, it's long, but that was part of its appeal. And yes, they played this long version on the radio.
IRON BUTTERFLY - IN A GADDA DA VIDA - 1968

The Zombies - She's Not There

I think there needs to be two of the Zombies...
The Zombies - Time of the Season

Crimson and Clover - Tommy James & The Shondells

The Guess Who- American Woman

There needs to be two from The Guess Who, too...
The Guess Who - These Eyes

The Yardbirds - For Your Love

Yes, we need to note this one, too. Innocence in music.
The Association - Cherish (1966)

Yes, I played this in a band, too...the very first band I was ever in.
The Association - Windy

I include this because yes, I played it that band, too. It helped us get the babes!
The Seekers - Georgie Girl

I just LOVE this song! Well, I love every one of their songs.
Crosby, Stills & Nash - Southern Cross

Neal Young wrote this song while on a short walk in the woods, after seeing pictures of the Kent State shootings in Life Magazine. You remember Life magazine, don't you?
Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young - Ohio (1970) Kent State University

Viet Nam War protest song. Because of the lyrics at the bottom of the screen, I think this clip is from the documentary of Woodstock.
Country Joe & the Fish - "I Feel Like I'm Fixin' to Die Rag" live at Woodstock Festival, 1969

Man, this one takes me back.
Canned Heat - Going Up The Country

Creedence Clearwater Revival - Fortunate Son

Ah, the memories. Shit, I could go on for ever with this. Maybe I'll add some more, later.

 

[Stella_Omega]

You really could go on forever, that's a sterling list. I'll add to it later, if I get my brain started.

I smoked pot for the first time listening to Aqualung.

In the early eighties, my punk band covered Crimson and Clover (and then Joann Jett did) and Time of The Season. And Sugar Sugar.

 

[Netzach]

Tickled to find the Association on that list, DVS. Never my Love, also.

 

[DVS]

I had to include a few more, but this is far from all the great songs of the time.

Three Dog Night - Eli's Coming
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CuNBengxaQ&feature=related

Three Dog Night - One
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX89mno-WBQ&feature=fvwrel

Fantastic band. They were musician's musicians.
Steely Dan - Reelin in the Years (1973)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7V5-O8Zk2k&feature=related

Steely Dan - RIKKI DON'T LOSE THAT NUMBER (1974)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfZWp-hGCdA&feature=related

How could I forget these guys? A class duo.
Seals & Croft - Summer Breeze(1972)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsW8rXPcnM0&feature=related

You can tell my favorites, because I can't just include one song.
Seals & Crofts - We May Never Pass This Way Again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd6zYQPCgsc

Yes, we need three from them.
Seals and Crofts - Diamond Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5b65hociXU&feature=related

Jim Croce - Time in a bottle - 1972
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO1rMeYnOmM&feature=fvwrel

I always thought this was a well written lyric, but you could say that about all of his work.
Jim Croce - You Don't Mess Around With Jim (1972)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQrTGE4wwwA&feature=related

Jim Croce - Operator (That's Not The Way It Feels)-1972
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8lmM1_ARk0&feature=related

A similar lyric to "You Don't Mess Around With Jim". He wrote songs you can sing along to.
Jim Croce - Bad Bad Leroy Brown (1973)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB_TM5AvJP0&feature=relmfu

OK, just one more. He wrote so many great songs. He died in 1973.
Jim Croce - I'll Have To Say I Love You In A Song (1973)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN1nMpmC0n4&feature=related

Simon & Garfunkel, Bridge Over Troubled Water
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-PNun-Pfb4&feature=related

Simon & Garfunkel - The Sound of Silence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jqn9SKYAgY&feature=related

You don't hear songs like these, any more. What happened?
Simon & Garfunkel - Scarborough Fair
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dau2_Lt8pbM&feature=related

 

[deehere]

100th Post!

I love love love Arlo Guthrie's Alice's Restaurant. As for Night's in White Satin, it's my sister-in-law's favorite song and has told all of us it's to be played at her services. Kind of creepy but that's how it is.

 

[deehere]

Hey

Thanks for bringing up some memories. I love anything by Jim Croce but Lover's Cross is a favorite. Simon and Garfunkel's New York is a favorite. They played it during their Central Park concert.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Lots of pop music there, not so much rock.

 

[DVS]

Lots of pop music there, not so much rock.

I didn't think it was a rock thread. Sure, The Stones might have some rock in there, but you could also label some of their more mainstream hits in the pop category. Of course, die hard Stones fans would never admit to it. And for sure, The Beatles could be in either category, depending on the song.

And while I agree with Seals and Crofts, Simon and Garfunkel, and Jim Croce being pop or even folk, but like the Beatles and the Stones, Three Dog Night and Steely Dan could fit into either category, depending on the song.

 

[Netzach]

Steely Dan is my ultimate I-cant-belive-I-admit-how-much-I-love-this band.

 

[Netzach]

You really could go on forever, that's a sterling list. I'll add to it later, if I get my brain started.

I smoked pot for the first time listening to Aqualung.

In the early eighties, my punk band covered Crimson and Clover (and then Joann Jett did) and Time of The Season. And Sugar Sugar.

Love the Joan Jett cover, that's been in heavy car rotation also lately.

Here's some rawk.
http://youtu.be/tEmB7VWh7jY

 

[rot_teufel]

I love rock and roll Joan Jett

 

[Netzach]

DVS
"You don't hear songs like these, any more. What happened?"

Not blowing up huge you don't but I think this is a respectable stepchild.
http://youtu.be/ZbPLy4-OgAw
video is far too silly for it tho

 

[DVS]

Steely Dan is my ultimate I-cant-belive-I-admit-how-much-I-love-this band.

Then, I feel justified in adding a few more. I'm more than a little biased.

Steely Dan- FM (No Static At All)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV3zWSawJiw

Steely Dan - Any Major Dude Will Tell You
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUtZ2J6rNDw&feature=related

Steely Dan - Things I Miss the Most
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_rtuYuWt48&feature=fvwrel

My Old School- Steely Dan- 1973
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq8OU-7JDFA&feature=related

 

[Shankara20]

Thanks for bringing up some memories. I love anything by Jim Croce but Lover's Cross is a favorite. Simon and Garfunkel's New York is a favorite. They played it during their Central Park concert.

This forces me to toss in Harry Chapin and Taxi

now I'm going all mellow and stuff......

and that bring me to when do we get to Leonard Cohan?

 

[Shankara20]

And while I agree with Seals and Crofts, Simon and Garfunkel, and Jim Croce being pop or even folk, but like the Beatles and the Stones, Three Dog Night and Steely Dan could fit into either category, depending on the song.

So remind me, when I set me car radio for "pop" and not "rock" how does that adjust the equalizer?

For the life of me, I get lost in what is pop vs rock.

Help, please.

 

[DVS]

So remind me, when I set me car radio for "pop" and not "rock" how does that adjust the equalizer?

For the life of me, I get lost in what is pop vs rock.

Help, please.

I knew somebody would ask this question. A lot of it is personal preference, but if you want to get down to the nitty gritty, pop is short for popular. So, that means it's popular to a number of listeners, on a number of levels. Pop has become an old term, because it was first used in the 20s. Pop or popular music was described then as 'a piece of music having popular appeal'. Back then, it meant a relatively short song, maybe 3 minutes or so, with mass appeal, mainly with youth. It could also be popular with other listeners, and what today might be labeled as a crossover tune, that could fit into more than one type of style. It would usually have the basic song structure of verse, chorus, verse, chorus, and maybe even a bridge in there somewhere. The theme would be 'love songs'.

Other areas of history say that the British first thought up the term pop and it was a sub genre of 'rock and roll' and said pop was appealing to a wide audience and induced a dancing spirit. This was back in the mid 1950s.

A lot has changed since both of those early definitions. Of course, music is an evolving medium so the definition should also change. But it really hasn't. That's why many people just decide for themselves what is rock and what is pop. Still, I think the general thought process is that pop is maybe a lighter, more structured style of music, still with the verse, chorus, verse type of configuration. While some rock music might also fit into this basic style, it's often thought to have more of a guttural texture with instrumentation that could be thought of as rock based. I know, this is just getting confusing.

Think of a rock song as maybe having a guitar solo and maybe less defined structure, etc. To give an example, in my opinion, any early Beatles song would be considered pop. They are all verse, chorus, verse, mostly love songs, a steady beat geared for dance and very popular to a wide audience.

As they progressed in their careers, their writing style changed and they started adding more changes in their songs such as beat, theme, more guitar solos and other instrumentation changes, such as was evident in the Sergeant Pepper album, if not sooner, in some songs.

So, that's how I define pop or rock. Also, back in the old days, when there was a 'top 40' list, that was considered pop, because that list was defined as the top 40 popular songs. Under some definitions, there obviously would have been a few rock songs that entered that list.

That's how I define pop or rock. That's how I decided that Steely Dan is not pop because it's not a rhythm you can dance to in many cases, and it's not a style that would be considered as popular to a wide audience. This could also be a definition of many later Beatles songs, as well as some Stones songs.

Actually, I'd consider more early Stones songs to be more like a rock song and some of their later songs to be closer to pop. But, I don't think they are across the board enough to be totally pop, because their music isn't popular with a wide audience. Sure, they are a popular band, that goes without saying.

But, to be considered a pop band, you'd hear their songs on more radio stations. I'd guess maybe Angie might be close to a pop song, but of course, die hard Stones fans would fight over that.

Maybe if we hear a band played on musak or a version played by an orchestra and heard in an elevator, I'd think that could maybe be considered as pop.

Rock and Roll is the main genre that has many different sub genres, pop being one of those. There is progressive rock, heavy metal, alternative rock, Christian rock, Gothic rock, hard rock, and on and on. Pop is only one level.

EDITED TO ADD:
Pop can sometimes be mixed differently, if it is actually recorded and mixed in the studio as a pop song. In a pop song, the vocal can be way up front, in front of the whole instrumentation of the song, even with drums and lead guitar solos a few dBs below it. The way a "basic" rock song is mixed, all instrumentation is equal, with the exception of some things. Drums are usually up front, slightly below the vocal track but because of some frequencies, it comes out louder than other instrumentation. The vocal is slightly above everything, but is considered just another instrument in the mix. Bass guitar can seem louder, but it is the low frequencies that make it seem that way. Volume wise, it isn't louder than other instruments.

A rock song is geared for listening as a part of an album of songs. A pop song can be a separate song, in the old days they were sometimes called singles, when 45s were still around. The Beatles stopped putting out singles, when they stopped touring. They decided their albums would speak for themselves.

And I forgot to include one type of rock...album rock. It's defined as a series of songs put together by a band to be listened to as a whole, and in some cases, they could all be considered to mean less on their own, as with the second side of the Abbey Road album.

Sergeant Pepper is considered a concept album. It's suppose to be this fictitious band called Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club band playing the songs. And, just for shits and giggles, if you check on that album under Wikipedia, you'll see the album defined as Rock, psychedelic rock and pop, which covers quite a wide range.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Angie is performed as a rock ballad, don't you think? The 4/4 beat is still discernible. Also, it's missing whatever that evanescent thing is that we call "Pop sensibility" Like the Eagles, who wrote so many slow songs that were most emphatically not Pop.

The Who have a song "You Better You Bet" and Daltrey called it a pop song. But-- no.

 

[Stella_Omega]

This forces me to toss in Harry Chapin and Taxi

now I'm going all mellow and stuff......

and that bring me to when do we get to Leonard Cohan?

I hated Chapin, I'm sad to say. It all sounded like Broadway Suicide music.

Has no one mentioned David Bowie yet? Or are we tied to 1972?

 

[DVS]

Angie is performed as a rock ballad, don't you think? The 4/4 beat is still discernible. Also, it's missing whatever that evanescent thing is that we call "Pop sensibility" Like the Eagles, who wrote so many slow songs that were most emphatically not Pop.

The Who have a song "You Better You Bet" and Daltrey called it a pop song. But-- no.

First, The Eagles are very close to country rock, if you really have to define most of their songs. And a lot of today's "new" country is country rock.

But to get on to The Who, you have to go back to the defining lines between rock and pop. Like I said, the definitions never really evolved like the music did. If you ask me, it's slowly evolving into just one genre, with small differences, when necessary to define something or someone pop or rock. Rock is such a vast genre, you could almost stick anybody somewhere, with a little glue and masking tape.

I agree that Angie could be seen as a rock ballad, but to someone else, that word ballad could move it to the pop area rather quickly. It's a nice slow, melodic song, that a couple could dance to. Because of that, it could also be played on a pop radio station.

For "You Better You Bet", Wikipedia has it down as rock or art rock. People just keep coming up with more and more genre categories. I think the vocals have a guttural variant to them that you probably wouldn't hear in a pop song. Pop almost means vanilla, while rock is more BDSM.

I don't think I'd label any Who song in the pop category, it does mostly have a steady beat with the verse, chorus, verse format defining a pop song. I'd maybe start a new genre and call it pop rock, but somebody already named a candy by that name.

"Magic Bus" is defined by Wikipedia as blues rock, psychedelic rock. It has a steady beat, and is danceable, but it just doesn't sound like a pop song, to me. I don't think I'd see it as appealing to a wide audience, like a pop song should be. And, I don't see it being on Musak any time, soon. The lyrics "I want it, I want it" on and on is too much for pop. Maybe that's what got it the psychedelic label? Now, it might be a long time, but "You Better You Bet" could some day be Musak material. As the the baby boomers get older, so does our music. Who knows (no pun intended).

"Behind Blue Eyes" is labeled by Wikipedia simply as rock. I don't know, but I'd assume that's because of the middle section where they tend to rock out. But, other than that, it's a very melodic tune, even sensitive and thoughtful lyrics. The lyrics in the middle section get more crass and less appealing to anyone other than Who lovers. You just can't force a song down someone's throat...to borrow a phrase.

"Tommy" is labeled by Wikipedia simply as rock. I'd call that album opera rock, but I don't think there is such a label. Maybe I'd call it progressive rock, because there are many different songs on the album that are quite progressive. It's also a concept album, but I guess there isn't a label for concept rock.

I don't like labels in BDSM terms, unless there is some reason for clarification. Other than that, I'd say every man/woman for themselves. Maybe in the music world, it should be the same thing.

 

[DVS]

I hated Chapin, I'm sad to say. It all sounded like Broadway Suicide music.

Has no one mentioned David Bowie yet? Or are we tied to 1972?

Love Chapin and love Bowie. I was going to add a Chapin song, but since Taxi has already been added by Shank, I let it go. I love Bowie, but isn't he more current? I thought we were sticking to early songs. If not, I have WAY many more that could be included.

Speaking of Chapin, Cat's in the Cradle reminds me very much of my relationship with my father. Many of Chapin's songs were like stories set to music. His brother still does similar things.

Speaking of "Taxi", there's a section in the song that I just love.

"There was not much more for us to talk about. Whatever we had once, was gone. So I turned my cab into the driveway, past the gate and the fine trim lawns. And she said we must get together, but I knew it'd never be arranged. And she handed me $20 dollars for a $2.50 fare, she said 'Harry, keep the change'.
Well, another man might have been angry, and another man might have been hurt. But another man never would have let her go, I stashed the bill in my shirt."
Yes, many parts of this song have personal meaning for me, too.