Some Trumpers threaten violence if he loses -- will anything come of it?

[Legatus]

Some will shoot themselves in the foot, from cleaning accidents.
Some will shoot each other, because. "I didn't think the gun was loaded."
The rest will hose out most of their ammo in their first fire-fight, because if Hollywood has taught them anything, it's that 'spray and pray' works great for the good guys.
Then they'll all be promptly mowed down by a squadron of AH-64, supported by a couple of A-10's, then mopped up by a battalion of actual soldiers with current training, real fire-discipline, lead by officers with recent combat experience.

And that's assuming they don't get drone-struck off the map first.

This reoccurring fantasy of "We gots ur gunz to fight 'gainst gubbmint tie-rinny" is utter nonsense and has been since WW2.

You really don't know anything about how the actual military works. Where were all the Apaches, A-10s, and drones when the Bundys had their little revolt?

You forget, most of the military (and the overwhelming majority of combat arms occupations) are made up of red blooded, God fearing, white men who are (mostly) from the south.

If the US military is ever "ordered" to attack US Citizens (ones that resemble the rank-and-file of the infantry at that), that will not go over how you think it will.

 

[Legatus]

Hard to have a purge if you can't identify the targets. Can't sick the FBI, ATF and militarized police on innocent peaceable Yanks. Incite the Trompers to rebel and be a great excuse to swing popular opinion against the 2A and free speech.

First a black POTUS, than a woman and 16 years of lefty liberal rule with all the malcontents dead or serving long prison times.

Good thinking on someone's part.

At least we are being honest with ourselves and waking up to the fact that peaceful coexistence is a futile effort.

 

[Adre]

You really don't know anything about how the actual military works. Where were all the Apaches, A-10s, and drones when the Bundys had their little revolt?

You forget, most of the military (and the overwhelming majority of combat arms occupations) are made up of red blooded, God fearing, white men who are (mostly) from the south.

If the US military is ever "ordered" to attack US Citizens (ones that resemble the rank-and-file of the infantry at that), that will not go over how you think it will.

Remind us all how the little Bundy revolt turned out.

 

[Legatus]

Remind us all how the little Bundy revolt turned out.

He was killed by highway patrol IIRC.

My point being, there were no A10s or attack helicopters called down on a few hundred rebelling farmers.

What makes you think they'd be so brazen to do airstrikes on what would potentially be a few thousand armed civilians?

Edit: Oh yeah, way to address my other point BTW

 

[domroger]

Those land grabbers could have been taken out at any time .The reason they were not is that would have made martyrs of them .

 

[Adre]

He was killed by highway patrol IIRC.

My point being, there were no A10s or attack helicopters called down on a few hundred rebelling farmers.

What makes you think they'd be so brazen to do airstrikes on what would potentially be a few thousand armed civilians?

Edit: Oh yeah, way to address my other point BTW

First you need to show me where I predicted or suggested air strikes. The military, if ordered, would protect law abiding citizens from a group of armed disillusioned Trump voters. Of that you can be sure, no matter how many guns your ilk owns.

 

[BotanyBoy]

And that's assuming they don't get drone-struck off the map first.

PATRIOT act!!!

This reoccurring fantasy of "We gots ur gunz to fight 'gainst gubbmint tie-rinny" is utter nonsense and has been since WW2.

Nah....it can be done, and it will happen again sooner or later somewhere.

Get enough of any population pissed enough they are ready to die and it's on.

We just aren't there yet, things just aren't that bad.

Your crowd is the one talking about "thinning the deplorable herd". I'm just saying "yeah, good luck with that".

What crowd am I?

I didn't say a fucking thing about thinning the deplorable herd.

You forget, most of the military (and the overwhelming majority of combat arms occupations) are made up of red blooded, God fearing, white men who are (mostly) from the south.

Actually most of them are from the midwest last I saw enlistment reports/data charts.

If the US military is ever "ordered" to attack US Citizens (ones that resemble the rank-and-file of the infantry at that), that will not go over how you think it will.

Yea it will, at least the first time...

What makes you think they'd be so brazen to do airstrikes on what would potentially be a few thousand armed civilians?

Waco Texas.

If they will send armor in to burn kids alive what makes you think they wont JDAM a bitch?

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQAUJQ8yfLin2yrKLX-Bv9oWMhli367DXa1WENSxPPtlbOaAZ_F

 

[NOIRTRASH]

There will not be a revolution or a civil war if Hillary wins. There may be isolated acts of violence by right wing cranks like Timothy McVeigh. In rural parts of the country small groups of middle aged white men with beer bellies may try to relive their youths by attacking symbols of the government.

The effect of this will be to increase support for President Hillary Clinton. Most Americans react against those who initiate the use of violence.

The angry white men who support Trump are angry because being a white man is not enough any more. One needs a reasonably high IQ.

Dear, the civil war already kicked off while you were spanking your monkey in the toilet. Here's the players, love:

The Tea Party (Trump voters)= 40% of America
Bernie People= 10% of America and hate Hillary
Hillary Voters= 33% of America and are niggers and bureaucrats and wall street
GOP elites= 17% of Hillary voters

 

[dan_c00000]

Of that you can be sure, no matter how many guns your ilk owns.

I've never understood how people playing soldier with AR-15s think they're going to defeat the U.S. military. It's the definition of delusional.

 

[Porkwarrior]

I've never understood how people playing soldier with AR-15s think they're going to defeat the U.S. military. It's the definition of delusional.

So are NYC gun laws, when did that stop any American?

So Dem's are caught on tape spelling out why violence broke out at Trump rallies...and they still manage to delude themselves into thinking that all Trump supporters are Fascists/Nazi's/White Supremacists/Nutbars...

The 18% cream Hillarity fans are going to need in their Starbucks latte's on Nov 9th will taste pretty bitter.

 

[1sickbastard]

PATRIOT act!!!



Nah....it can be done, and it will happen again sooner or later somewhere.

Get enough of any population pissed enough they are ready to die and it's on.

We just aren't there yet, things just aren't that bad.

The question is what proportion of the population = "enough". Then there's where that proportion is concentrated, geographically.
The urban Trump supporters would have a tough time lasting a week if they try violence. Those areas where they'd concentrate would simply have the infrastructure shut of. No power, no internet, no water, little food, it wouldn't even take much force, just enough to form a blockade.
The rural Trumpsters are more likely to be prepared for a long-term siege, but once away from urban areas, remote strikes to infrastructure, destroying wells, cutting off power, maybe they could last a winter. Maybe two winters. At some point, though, one needs fuel and water. Gotta be exposed to go cut wood.

Now, if one has a min of say, 40% actively willing to fight and die, then another 20-30% sympathetic enough to support those operations, then you may have a real civil war. But at some point, the glove will come off and the power-that-be will lose whatever compunction they had about targeting civilian concentrations. That was the lesson T Sherman brought in the Civil War, which was used to devastating effect in the second World War.

The main point is that the US Gov't isn't a foreign occupying power as in Iraq or Afghanistan, or even in the Revolutionary War. True internal revolutions which are successful against governing institutions which are indigenous and have stood for generations are pretty rare. An American, French-style revolution (French Revolution of 1789) is going to take a whole lot more than a bunch of pissed of white guys with hunting rifles, or even M2 machine guns.
I'm sure they'll try to get help from their god-fearin' buddies in Iran and the political brother in spirit Putin, maybe even from their culturally similar friends in the PRC, all of which countries are true friends of every red-blooded 'Murikan patriot.

Waco Texas.

If they will send armor in to burn kids alive what makes you think they wont JDAM a bitch?

Except with out the extensive live media coverage.

Remember, kids, wifi and cell phones only work if ya got power and towers!

 

[BotanyBoy]

The question is what proportion of the population = "enough".

Now, if one has a min of say, 40% actively willing to fight and die, then another 20-30% sympathetic enough to support those operations, then you may have a real civil war.

Not even that many.

You only need 5-10% of the population as ready to die fighters.

But you do need 30% MINIMUM popular support from the population, 50+% is preferable and 70+% = government stands little chance.

But at some point, the glove will come off and the power-that-be will lose whatever compunction they had about targeting civilian concentrations.

The kill em' all method could be used, if the folks supporting the government never saw the burnt extra chunky child salsa....but in modern times that would be very very difficult to pull off.

I think it more likely they will loose support from their population going that route. Especially considering those will be a big group of M'ericuhz softest softies. The folks who want to have open borders and let all the disease and anti-American and terrorist operators in. They won't be too happy watching their military indiscriminately firebombing Dallas.

An American, French-style revolution (French Revolution of 1789) is going to take a whole lot more than a bunch of pissed of white guys with hunting rifles, or even M2 machine guns.

Well, it wouldn't just be white guys. There are minorities who don't want Soviet States of America too. I know that's hard for some people to fathom but it's true.

You'd be surprised what dedicated civilian soldiers/militia can do with rifles and some common home goods when the gloves come off.

Third worlders with AK's, sticks covered in pig shit and home made bombs have killed quite a few of Americas best.

They would also likely be led by a bunch of well educated ex-operators.....best regime change specialists of all time. That's why they go on the terrorist watch list as soon as they separate from the military

Those guys will be so over the top.

They and the troops they train/lead will not be a joke or a force to be taken lightly.

I just hope nothing crazy enough happens to bring us to that because if it did the amount of bloodshed would be pretty extreme in it's ugliness.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I've never understood how people playing soldier with AR-15s think they're going to defeat the U.S. military. It's the definition of delusional.

Same way a bunch of illiterate 3rd worlders with AK's and IED's did.....twice.

Thinking any government is unsinkable is the definition of a Titanic error.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Not even that many.

You only need 5-10% of the population as ready to die fighters.

But you do need 30% MINIMUM popular support from the population, 50+% is preferable and 70+% = government stands little chance.



The kill em' all method could be used, if the folks supporting the government never saw the burnt extra chunky child salsa....but in modern times that would be very very difficult to pull off.

I think it more likely they will loose support from their population going that route.



Well, it wouldn't just be white guys. There are minorities who don't want Soviet States of America too. I know that's hard for some people to fathom but it's true.

You'd be surprised what dedicated civilian soldiers/militia can do with rifles and some common home goods when the gloves come off.

Third worlders with AK's, sticks covered in pig shit and home made bombs have killed quite a few of Americas best.

They would also likely be led by a bunch of well educated ex-operators.....best regime change specialists of all time. That's why they go on the terrorist watch list as soon as they separate from the military

Those guys will be so over the top.

They and the troops they train/lead will not be a joke or a force to be taken lightly.

I just hope nothing crazy enough happens to bring us to that because if it did the amount of bloodshed would be pretty extreme in it's ugliness.

In the whole history of America niggers been a joke when it comes to soldiers and civil warriors. They've never stood and fought where they didn't get their asses handed to them.

 

[coati]

I worry about random acts of terror from the right wing nuts, not bona fide revolution. Fidel "Trust Fund" Trump will not be able to inspire anything widespread, but the nuts are out there. I see them spout off at ranchers' meetings and at the local firing range. Huge sense of entitlement, combined with self-righteous anger.

I have to chuckle when I see Lit's LazyBoy armchair revolutionaries wax on about statistics and revolutionary armaments. Legends in their own minds.

 

[dan_c00000]

Same way a bunch of illiterate 3rd worlders with AK's and IED's did.....twice.

Thinking any government is unsinkable is the definition of a Titanic error.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the U.S. isn't run by ISIS or Al-Qaeda. Hang on let me check....nope Obama's still in charge.

You clearly missed the point.

 

[dale124]

More likely, the violence will come from the left, even though their candidate is nearly a sure thing. I don't know why Democratic operatives were trying to foment violence at the Republican convention, since the truth was bound to come out. I would have thought they would have been better off leaving well enough alone and allowing Donald Trump to self-destruct.

The left always warns of violence from the right. I remember liberals warning that there would be assassination attempts by the right on Obama once he became president. That never happened. But I do remember MSNBC showing an edited video of an armed man at an Obama townhall meeting and the suggestion that he was a white racist that should have been arrested by the Secret Service, even if the state in question (Arizona) allowed the carrying of weapons in public. And then the MSNBC commentator suggested that an attempt might be be made on President Obama's life by white racists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYKQJ4-N7LI

And then the unedited video surfaced on CNN and it turned out the armed man was black.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfN7woo2xRY

MSNBC went to great lengths to hide the man's race because it didn't fit the narrative of their story.

I've been to Tea Party rallies on a couple of occasions to satisfy my curiosity. And while Nancy Pelosi was calling them "facists" and "NAZIs", they were about as vanilla a group of people as I've ever seen. Families, veterans, and old people. So I'm inclined to think that if it's between the Tea Party on the far right and the Occupy Wall Street on the far left, my money is on the left creating the violence.

 

[DJFaninTN]

if HRC doesn't win then you'll see rioting in the streets.

it won't be from the republicans because they'll all be at work supporting all the free loaders who are killing the system by sitting at home eating bon bon's and watching The View.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the U.S. isn't run by ISIS or Al-Qaeda.

So?

Still lost Vietnam and the OIF/OEF war on terror.

Big time losers.

Hang on let me check....nope Obama's still in charge.

So?

You clearly missed the point.

Why don't you explain it then?

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Niggers riot in their ghettos or places where the Feds will protect them. No sane nigger ever goes to white neighborhoods. Niggers and student fags wont confront military. Back in 1970 all the protests of the 60s stopped in its trax at Kent State after the military shot the students.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyzoNCJvy4c

THE LAST OF THE WAR PROTESTS.

 

[1sickbastard]

Same way a bunch of illiterate 3rd worlders with AK's and IED's did.....twice.

Thinking any government is unsinkable is the definition of a Titanic error.

3rd world countries against a foreign military force

As I pointed out earlier, the difference between resisting a foreign occupier and an indigenous gov't is huge.

When resisting a foreign invader, those in resistance always have the home-field advantage.

Supporting a large military force abroad is far more expensive and much more difficult than within one's own country.
Plus there's the consequences of losing. If a foreign military adventure goes bad, it is possible to leave and still survive. When it comes to suppressing an internal rebellion, the consequences for losing are usually fatal, except for the very luck few with the resources and connections to go into exile.

I'm not saying the gov't is unsinkable. Gov'ts, like species, all share a single fate; extinction.
What I am saying is that domestic rebellions against well established, long standing, indigenous governing institutions have a very low success rate.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Uh oh, Huffington Cucks!

On the tv minutes ago.

There are more Democrats than GOP, so the pollsters collect more Democrat responses when polling. But more GOP vote.

Not good.

 

[VeraBad]

Niggers riot in their ghettos or places where the Feds will protect them. No sane nigger ever goes to white neighborhoods. Niggers and student fags wont confront military. Back in 1970 all the protests of the 60s stopped in its trax at Kent State after the military shot the students.

Sounds like Tampa Bay speaking.

 

[VeraBad]

There are people willing to go to jail for Trump?

I wouldn't mind seeing that.