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FungiUg said:
You didn't. You did imply it nicely though. :D
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Sorry but the only place that thought existed was in your own mind, definately not mine. I referred to it reminding me of incidents in schoolyears when others were punished for being supposedly lazy in speech and I think most have heard this type language such as 'where are we goin' tonight' ...'he's drivin' us to the theatre'.....'I'm pickin' 'em up on the way 'ome'....etc. It is well documented in film and literature as well as the minds of those who lived through it and still see it in speech patterns. And no I do not pass judgement on it as I use it also in my writing, but it does raise unpleasant memories for the pain it brought to others which is the context I mentioned it in as an example it is not new, just adapting.
 
For what it's worth, there's a difference between em and 'em - namely, one is a complete word and the other is short for them. I agree that 'im (him), 'er (her), and 'em (them) are used as slang or out of laziness, but that's not what the Spivak pronouns are about. They are a different set of pronouns entirely.
 
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catalina_francisco said:
I always wonder why it has become politically correct to use the term actor to apply to both female and male as actress is genderised...I always thought actor was the male counterpart so why is it politically correct and non genderised to apply actor as a blanket term now?

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Because a lot of people with southern and mid-western sensibilities would not get thespian. lol :)
 
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OK, I will chime in with a comment or two. I am not surprised E is doing this because bad grammer drives her nutty. I'm sure her red pens would go empty from use on my posts. lol But I know she actually remembers the structure of a sentence and the mechanics. So it's not a sexual gender thing, it's a plain, simple proper structure of a sentence thing. God bless I don't have that problem. For an obscure reference, I'm the squiggly in the old MGM cartoon with the blue line and red dot. My writing will take you there just will be a messy trip lol. The reason I don't post on the general board is the english nazis. Let's not become worried about how someone writes. Let's enjoy the journey their writing takes us.
 
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snoozebutton said:
Because a lot of people with southern and mid-western sensibilities would not get thespian. lol :)
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Oh, so that is my difficulty!!! Thank You Sir. :D
 
snoozebutton said:
The reason I don't post on the general board is the english nazis. Let's not become worried about how someone writes. Let's enjoy the journey their writing takes us.
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But but but... I like being an "English Nazi"! The uniform is so cool!

Anyway, I've never had a problem with your posts, Snooze.
 
snoozebutton said:
OK, I will chime in with a comment or two. I am not surprised E is doing this because bad grammer drives her nutty. I'm sure her red pens would go empty from use on my posts. lol But I know she actually remembers the structure of a sentence and the mechanics. So it's not a sexual gender thing, it's a plain, simple proper structure of a sentence thing. God bless I don't have that problem. For an obscure reference, I'm the squiggly in the old MGM cartoon with the blue line and red dot. My writing will take you there just will be a messy trip lol. The reason I don't post on the general board is the english nazis. Let's not become worried about how someone writes. Let's enjoy the journey their writing takes us.
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Thanks for your comments, snooze! To be honest I have gotten used to the mistakes most people make online. I don't bother with the red pens (or blue pencils) anymore, I'd just go crazy! For myself, though, I've been known to edit posts to correct a typo. :) And you're spot-on, it is a sentence-structure thing. I'm Jewish, though, so being a grammar nazi has always struck me as kind of odd! ;)
 
FungiUg said:
But but but... I like being an "English Nazi"! The uniform is so cool!

Anyway, I've never had a problem with your posts, Snooze.
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Mmmmmmm...anal retentive AND into military uniforms. They just don't make enough of that sort of Dominant anymore.
 
Quint said:
Mmmmmmm...anal retentive AND into military uniforms. They just don't make enough of that sort of Dominant anymore.
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Are you complaining or celebrating? *chuckle*
 
Etoile said:
I have made a decision and gotten my Daddy's approval on this. In the past I have been careful not to indicate my Daddy's gender. This is by Daddy's own request, and relates to the fact that not everybody fits neatly into the two societally-accepted gender categories of male and female. There are a bunch of alternative pronouns to take the place of 'he' and 'she' but I've never used those. It makes it a lot harder to refer to Daddy - I'm constantly saying 'Daddy this' and 'Daddy that'...no longer. I'm now going to be using Spivak pronouns to refer to Daddy.

The Spivak pronouns were created by mathematician Michael Spivak in his textbooks (which included the utterly fascinating Comprehensive Introduction to Differential Geometry). They are gender-neutral third-person pronouns and are used whenever someone's gender is not known (e.g., "the reader"). People sometimes use them online when they prefer not to reveal what gender they are.

Here are how they are used:
subject: I - you - he - she - e
object: me - you - him - her - em
possessive: my/mine - your/yours/ - his - hers - eir/eirs
reflexive: myself - yourself - himself - herself - emself
...and so on.

So from now on, this is how I'll be referring to my Daddy. Just so you're aware.
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I can understand that...I'm stll enamoured with your pics. Your are simply...beautiful...head to toe and in between. I wish I knew you..Squeeze
 
I'm just curious - why is it so important to keep your Daddy's gender a secret? I respect that there may be a variety of legitimate reasons for doing so, but I'd like to know what yours is.

Etoile said:
I don't see this as a matter of politically correctness, I see it as linguistic convenience. I have used "him/her" in the past but I find it unwieldy, just as I find using "Daddy" all the time rather cumbersome. Using "they/their" is a possibility, but I am used to Spivak pronouns from another online community in which I participate, so I find them more appropriate than pluralizing. I didn't mean for this thread to encompass all these issues, I was merely trying to give a heads-up for when people started seeing the pronouns (which I haven't even had occasion to use!).

Here's an example of each type:
  • Daddy hailed us a cab and we got in; I asked Daddy where we were going and Daddy said we were going to Daddy's office.
  • Daddy hailed us a cab and we got in; I asked them where we were going and they said we were going to their office.
  • Daddy hailed us a cab and we got in; I asked him/her where we were going and he/she said we were going to his/her office.
  • Daddy hailed us a cab and we got in; I asked em where we were going and e said we were going to eir office.
I find the last one most visually and linguistically appealing, so that's what I'm planning to use.
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thegreenfairy said:
I'm just curious - why is it so important to keep your Daddy's gender a secret? I respect that there may be a variety of legitimate reasons for doing so, but I'd like to know what yours is.
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The easy answer is that Daddy has asked me to keep eir true gender a secret. But also we do a lot of gender play, so Daddy's gender can vary. To us, sex - that is, genitals/chromosomes - is irrelevant, it's the gender play that matters.
 
Etoile said:
The easy answer is that Daddy has asked me to keep eir true gender a secret. But also we do a lot of gender play, so Daddy's gender can vary. To us, sex - that is, genitals/chromosomes - is irrelevant, it's the gender play that matters.
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So you don;t do genital play, just gender play?
 
wolf2002 said:
So you don;t do genital play, just gender play?
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Did you really not understand, or were you just making a crack? I can't tell.

Of course we fuck with our genitals. It's just that the content of Daddy's genitals is irrelevant; it's eir gender presentation that matters.
 
Etoile said:
Did you really not understand, or were you just making a crack? I can't tell.

Of course we fuck with our genitals. It's just that the content of Daddy's genitals is irrelevant; it's eir gender presentation that matters.
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Personally, Etoile, I read WOlf's question as one of a genuine lack of understanding
Were I know more familiar with the type of play you engage in with your Daddy, I might've asked the same thing

I do have to say tho, the choice of the words "making a crack" seems to REALLY be a bad one in context LOL
;)
 
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