Systematic Rape in Women's prisons in Iran

[Sean Renaud]

People who rape women aren't peaceful. In the US they can and are.prosecuted and put in prison. There is no religious exemption for rape.

You can rape and be peaceful at the same time. We really need to do a deep dive and if we need to create new words so be it but this attitude is dangerous.

 

[ll74]

You can rape and be peaceful at the same time. We really need to do a deep dive and if we need to create new words so be it but this attitude is dangerous.

No, you cannot rape and be peaceful. Actual rape is not peaceful.

There is not a need for new words. The attitude that rape is violent is correct and only dangerous to those who rape.

 

[ll74]

I worry primarily about things that happen to me. My thoughts and prayers go out to the Muslims in China but we know well that works and we're not going to war or even sanctioning Chin

We should be sanctioning multiple countries for their atrocious human rights violations but simply don't because of logistical and strategic concerns. We should've abandoned our alliance/support with the Saudis decades ago, but the political capital isn't there.

 

[Sean Renaud]

We should be sanctioning multiple countries for their atrocious human rights violations but simply don't because of logistical and strategic concerns. We should've abandoned our alliance/support with the Saudis decades ago, but the political capital isn't there.

For the Saudis we just need someone in the region that isn't Kuwait that doesn't hate us encase something jumps off with Israel. So far so good and I think our support of Israel goes so far beyond rational that many of the problems that we do have in the region have to do with that. If Biden were to move the Embassy back, tell Israel in no uncertain terms we need to solve this and you are not going to get everything you want but this has to stop and keep moving things would change.

No, you cannot rape and be peaceful. Actual rape is not peaceful.

There is not a need for new words. The attitude that rape is violent is correct and only dangerous to those who rape.

Yes you can. When you're in prison they can easily keep you from using the phone, they get to check your mail, for security reasons but still, before you get them. They can make up reasons to throw you in solitary or revoke your yard privileges.

The entire Me2 movement was about how (and we all knew this was and is happening) women were being raped. And when your options are suck a dick or never find work in the industry that spent years of your life and thousands of dollar in schools to get this far your choices are pretty limited.

What about the single mom with two kids and her landlord gives her an ultimatum?

 

[ll74]

Yes you can. When you're in prison they can easily keep you from using the phone, they get to check your mail, for security reasons but still, before you get them. They can make up reasons to throw you in solitary or revoke your yard privileges.

Rape isn't peaceful. Full stop.

The entire Me2 movement was about how (and we all knew this was and is happening) women were being raped. And when your options are suck a dick or never find work in the industry that spent years of your life and thousands of dollar in schools to get this far your choices are pretty limited.

The entire me too movement is about women being raped by powerful men. And that isn't and wasn't peaceful

What about the single mom with two kids and her landlord gives her an ultimatum?

You consider this peaceful? Are you fucking kidding me?

Just because there may not be violence doesn't mean it is peaceful. A woman being violated is not a peaceful thing.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The problem is not a lot of people would agree with you.

 

[ll74]

The problem is not a lot of people would agree with you.

Yes, rapists think that what they are doing is ok. Which is why they are criminals.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The majority of Americans. ..ok probably are rapists but that's beside the point. Again Me2 was something we all knew was happening and even today huge swaths of Americans will tell you if the woman didn't want it she could always got work a McDonalds.

 

[Sean Renaud]

And aside from Harvey and Cosby the people in charge got away with it. Which by definition means they aren't criminals.

 

[RobDownSouth]

What about the single mom with two kids and her landlord gives her an ultimatum?

"Rent Sex" is one of the most searched terms on Pornhub.

 

[Sean Renaud]

"Rent Sex" is one of the most searched terms on Pornhub.

Somehow that doesn't shock me in the least. Not that there isn't plenty of rough porn that falls under the same rule as Lit where as long as the woman likes it in the end its isn't rape but still. People associate "peaceful" with a lack of violence. If violence requires throwing hands. Not just threats.

If we look at all the things that are rape I'd almost want a poll to see how many of us were legal and our partner was legal when we first had sex. I'm not popular with the ladies. I was legal, she wouldn't be for another five months. Once we were in our twenties well there were definitely nights that nobody remembered.

 

[ll74]

The majority of Americans. ..ok probably are rapists but that's beside the point. Again Me2 was something we all knew was happening and even today huge swaths of Americans will tell you if the woman didn't want it she could always got work a McDonalds.

Me too was women taking power back from predators.

 

[ll74]

And aside from Harvey and Cosby the people in charge got away with it. Which by definition means they aren't criminals.

Rapists are criminals.

Hope this helps!

 

[PaxNurgle]

Wait, they're too busy attacking Christians and ignore the fact that their precious Islam....

Rape is not a crime, child marriage is still practiced, women have less rights than a dog, female circumcision still goes on on some parts. They're racist, sexist, homophobic to where they will put gay people to death...oh, when a woman is raped she's committed adultery and can be jailed for it.

These women in Iran are in prison for wanting to....show their hair

But the left has nothing to say about that. Everything they accuse Christians of-you know the religion that doesn't still live like they did 2k years ago like Islam-these animals do to the nth degree. But always okay, never a problem

So here's the thing. I agree that Islam, as it's practiced in Iran, Afghanistan, and other parts of the world, is a horrible and oppressive religion who treats their woman like breeding stock, and more.

BUT, if a far-right Christian government, led by someone such as DeSantis or Mike Pence, ever took power in the U.S, they would pass laws very similar to those now in place in Iran. They would treat American women like breeding stock, with less rights than a dog. They would be racist, sexist, and homophobic to where they would put gay people to death. You KNOW they would, because many in that movement, i.e. those who support people like Ron DeSantis and (to a lesser extent) Donald Trump, have SAID THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT TO DO! In addition, interracial marriage would likely be banned in this country as well, and minorities, specifically African Americans, would face mandatory legal discrimination and oppression.

So, I understand why you decry Islam for these things. I do too! I agree with you there.
But why, then, would it be okay when a Christian government in America enacts a similar legal code? How is it different? And why would you support it?

Dictatorships and oppression are the same- whether it's in the name of Jesus or Muhammad, Communism or Capitalism, Trump or Xi Jinping. And if we still value our freedoms,and our liberties, we should ALL be vigilant- and stand up and fight back- against ALL of it. Regardless of which religion, political party, or ideology it comes from.

 

[Ely1987]

Judging by what has been revealed recently, the things that happen in the story I mentioned are not even the worst. Despite all the cruelty, at least the women are not touched or filmed in it. But Mojgan Keshavarz, Zeynab Zaman, Mahnaz Afshar and now Tabassom Jamalpour have revealed that even worse things are possible.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Rapists are criminals.

Hope this helps!

Well unfortunately you're not a criminal until you get caught and women who want jobs put up with this. Rape is associated with violence. None of these men were violent ergo they were "peaceful". I'm not defending them but we do need to be able to parse things.

I loathe religion as a whole but while its been a decade I was in the background check business when the whole Catholic Church thing blew up. Nobody called those priests rapists, we called them child abusers. A different category. I'm not sure on the ranking system who is worse but nobody accused them of violence because we know they weren't violent for the most part. They were authority figures in a system that teaches kids to respect their elders.

 

[ll74]

Well unfortunately you're not a criminal until you get caught and women who want jobs put up with this. Rape is associated with violence. None of these men were violent ergo they were "peaceful". I'm not defending them but we do need to be able to parse things.

If you break the law, you're a criminal. Whether you are convicted of your crime makes no difference towards your criminal activity.

Rape is not peaceful. It is not acceptable. No parsing needed.

I loathe religion as a whole but while its been a decade I was in the background check business when the whole Catholic Church thing blew up. Nobody called those priests rapists, we called them child abusers. A different category. I'm not sure on the ranking system who is worse but nobody accused them of violence because we know they weren't violent for the most part. They were authority figures in a system that teaches kids to respect their elders.

I know you think your pedantry makes sense. It doesn't.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Then we are all criminals and that's the end of the conversation. None of us have the right to bear arms because we are all criminals. If you cannot parse. Fuck it.

ONLY SITH DEAL IN ABSOLUTES.

 

[ll74]

Then we are all criminals and that's the end of the conversation. None of us have the right to bear arms because we are all criminals. If you cannot parse. Fuck it.

ONLY SITH DEAL IN ABSOLUTES.

i was specifically talking about rape. Since I've not raped anyone, I'm not a criminal rapist.

If you commit a crime, then you're a criminal.I f you rape someone, you're a criminal rapist. That is absolute.

Your entire lack of logic on the topic is puzzling. To believe any rape is peaceful or acceptable is just the dumbest shit.

 

[Sean Renaud]

i was specifically talking about rape. Since I've not raped anyone, I'm not a criminal rapist.

If you commit a crime, then you're a criminal.I f you rape someone, you're a criminal rapist. That is absolute.

Your entire lack of logic on the topic is puzzling. To believe any rape is peaceful or acceptable is just the dumbest shit.

So you and your first were 18+ the first time? You've never been drunk?

 

[ll74]

So you and your first were 18+ the first time? You've never been drunk?

No, I've never raped anyone, drunk or sober and certainly not underage.

Rape is a criminal offense. There is no wiggle room there...it is an absolute...

it sounds like you may have some personal issues to deal with there.

 

[Sean Renaud]

No, I've never raped anyone, drunk or sober and certainly not underage.

Rape is a criminal offense. There is no wiggle room there...it is an absolute...

it sounds like you may have some personal issues to deal with there.

Then you are the extreme exception to the rule.

 

[ll74]

Then you are the extreme exception to the rule.

Or you just don't understand rape and the reason it's a crime.

 

[RobDownSouth]

So you and your first were 18+ the first time? You've never been drunk?

My understanding is that "rape" and underage "statuatory rape" are two different concepts. I'll have to defer to Barrister Timmeh's extensive knowledge of underage sex on this one though.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Or you just don't understand rape and the reason it's a crime.

And most Americans do not which is making you a problem.