Taking bets on Trump impeachment

[Boxlicker101]

Hillary didn't win, so I don't know why you bring her up. But to answer your question, none. It isn't permitted under current election law to accept donations from foreign governments. If she had accepted any, the DOJ would come down hard on her, just as they did in 1996 with Torricelli.

Unless, you have the opinion that the current DOJ under Jeff Sessions is incompetent or lazy. I could agree with either of those, or both.

If you believe she would pay any attention to such laws, be wary of opening emails from Nigeria.

 

[phrodeau]

If you believe she would pay any attention to such laws, be wary of opening emails from Nigeria.

Oh, get a clue. She was First Lady when the Torricelli thing happened. She knows far better than most the risks involved.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Oh, get a clue. She was First Lady when the Torricelli thing happened. She knows far better than most the risks involved.

I don't doubt that she knows the law. She just believes, for some reason, it doesn't apply to her. Much like she had no problem risking classified material.

 

[sr71plt]

I wouldn't place a bet on Trump being impeached as long as his fellow traitors are in leadership positions in Congress. The whole lot of them have absolutely no shame or loyalty that goes beyond maintaining party control.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Vile, incompetent, boastful, rude, ignorant, stupid, obnoxious, dangerous, none of these are reasons for impeachment. Not be elected in the first place but not impeachment. The US is stuck with Il Donald for at least 4 years. Unless he throws a hissy fit and resigns. Then you have Pence. Kobayashi Maru situation.

 

[sr71plt]

Vile, incompetent, boastful, rude, ignorant, stupid, obnoxious, dangerous, none of these are reasons for impeachment. Not be elected in the first place but not impeachment. The US is stuck with Il Donald for at least 4 years. Unless he throws a hissy fit and resigns. Then you have Pence. Kobayashi Maru situation.

It's true that impeachment is a political act and can be done on the basis of a charge of jay walking if it has the votes but not if the process isn't taken up by Congress. Conspiring with a foreign government that owns you financially to rig an election and obstruction of justice in investigating the same will do, though. And we're there for anyone who isn't blind or a Trump shill--but it won't happen if the Republican leadership in the Congress (most of whom are up to their ears in guilt on this as well) won't have the patriotism, sense of responsibility to do their jobs, and balls to do it.

 

[Boxlicker101]

It's true that impeachment is a political act and can be done on the basis of a charge of jay walking if it has the votes but not if the process isn't taken up by Congress. Conspiring with a foreign government that owns you financially to rig an election and obstruction of justice in investigating the same will do, though. And we're there for anyone who isn't blind or a Trump shill--but it won't happen if the Republican leadership in the Congress (most of whom are up to their ears in guilt on this as well) won't have the patriotism, sense of responsibility to do their jobs, and balls to do it.

Do you have any proof Trump has done any of those things?

 

[JackLuis]

Do you have any proof Trump has done any of those things?

Do you have any proof of Hillary's perfidy?
It's all accusations until the FBI dumps it's load.

 

[magicalmoments]

I understood there was a process in place whereby the Cabinet, by majority decision, can "remove" the president from office if they are satisfied he is incapable of performing the job. In other words, if he is nuts.

Can any of you Yanks confirm this?

If it's correct I suspect this is the way Trump will be brought down, not formal impeachment.

 

[JackLuis]

I understood there was a process in place whereby the Cabinet, by majority decision, can "remove" the president from office if they are satisfied he is incapable of performing the job. In other words, if he is nuts.

Can any of you Yanks confirm this?

If it's correct I suspect this is the way Trump will be brought down, not formal impeachment.

It is in the 25th Amendment, that the Cabinet can decide that Trump is unfit and if they sign up enough members, Trump is out and Pence is in and Congress can STFU!

 

[Boxlicker101]

Do you have any proof of Hillary's perfidy?
It's all accusations until the FBI dumps it's load.

The presence of her private server and the fact she used it for State Department business is well known, and has been investigated by the FBI.

As for the receiving donations: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...jor-ethical-questions/?utm_term=.fa5296be760a

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/27/us/politics/bill-hillary-clinton-foundation-wikileaks.html?_r=0

And this one is interesting, although not illegal:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/26/klan-leader-claims-kkk-has-given-20k-clinton-campa/

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Those in control of the impeachment process have already shown that they will live with everything vile he has to hand out, so I wouldn't count on impeachment. And I'm sure he can just sit back and let Pence deal with any of the work he doesn't want to do (he's already doing that with the transition), so I don't see him quitting either.

I do see him regretting that he ran/won, which I'm happy to see him suffering. No matter what he says he can't not understand that coming out into the open like this has made obvious that he's hated by most just for who he is/says/does/represents, that most of his support comes from the dregs of the earth, and that everything he does is going have a spotlight shown on it and be publicized and put into the record to be seen forever.

So are you thinking, suicide or resignation?

 

[sr71plt]

So are you thinking, suicide or resignation?

I don't necessarily see either. This is all new ground and supposed national leaders lowering his bar to the subbasement.

 

[magicalmoments]

So... Initial reactions to the Comey testimony seems to suggest that Trump is either a naive fool or a corrupt liar who should be locked up.

Not sure I'd want either of those as my head of state.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

I think that he is fully cognizant that he is abusing power. He will keep testing to see what he can get away with. He will only be encouraged if he can somehow survive the shitstorm of his own creation.

Where's Jamie Lannister?

 

[magicalmoments]

It is in the 25th Amendment, that the Cabinet can decide that Trump is unfit and if they sign up enough members, Trump is out and Pence is in and Congress can STFU!

Thank you. This is the way Trump will go. Even though the cabinet is stacked with his toady's, sooner or later they are going to decide they are not going to go down with the ship and will force him to chose between resigning or being removed.

While pence may not be the best option for popular appeal he will at least do as he is told by the 'establishment' and he does understand the difference between being a CEO and a president.

Whoever believed that a 70 year old, white, billionaire who has never held public office would make a good president should have the right to vote taken from them.

 

[Boxlicker101]

It's not that simple. Here is the 25th Amendment:

Amendment XXV affects 9 (Amendment 25 - Presidential Vacancy, Disability, and Inability)

1: In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

2: Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

3: Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.

4: Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office. ratified #25


The final decision is up to Congress.