Texas Senate approves open carry gun bill: What are the repercussions?

[KingOrfeo]

Who said anything about dueling or lynching?

I've read thousands of pages of history on the old west, spent a lifetime traveling around in it, photographing it, and studying it. Next week I'll be in Wyoming doing the same. The fact is there was less crime and you were much safer in the old west than you were in any of the big eastern cities like New York and Boston, and much of the reason was as you state it, but also because being an asshole, or a crook, could get you killed because people were armed and justice was swift.

That applies to duels and lynchings, not so much to self-defense.

 

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[sr71plt]

There's less crime in Wyoming because there's more distance between one person there and the next than a bullet will travel.

 

[Que]

For Christ's sake..

The old west wasn't safer than NYC or other eastern towns because people were armed. It was safer because you were less likely to run into other people in fucking Nowhere, Montana than you were in big cities.

We won't even get into the fact that the NCPA is a Koch funded think tank with ties to ALEC and the paper is from 1994.

If that were the case the numbers would show up in per-capita crimes. You also had less witnesses.

 

[RobDownSouth]

There's less crime in Wyoming because there's more distance between one person there and the next than a bullet will travel.

The RWCJ seems to conveniently ignore the aspect of population density when derping about crime rate.

 

[KingOrfeo]

How do you know?

For one thing, in a setting where every man is armed and openly carrying, any man would think twice before drawing on another man at all, unless it's to shoot him in the back -- or unless it's a duel or a lynching.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The Wild West wasn't like most people think anyway.

The real Old West was nothing like The Theme Park Version (which was originally the creation of 19th-century "dime novels"). There weren't any huge shootouts, quickdraw duels were rare, and not exclusive to desert-like "western" areas. Plus, since many guns were very inaccurate in those days, they sometimes tended to happen in significantly closer quarters than they do in fiction. The average Western town had 1.5 murders per year, and most of those weren't done with guns (due to the West having a relative small population that those in the East). Carrying guns in these towns would rather get you arrested than shot, and you were much more likely to die from diseases like cholera, dysentery, and tuberculosis, or in an accident like being dragged by your own horse than being killed in raging gunfights or getting scalped by Indians. Although by means, it was still a lawless and violent era, with three major 19th American wars taking place in the frontier (Mexican-American war, Civil War and American Indian Wars) and also other range wars, bandit attacks and feuds. Not to mention that courts were almost non-existent, so settlers substitute it with vigilance committees, which were more focused on lynching people than doing any law practices. The Wild West was not so wild — it was actually more simple and boring, in fact.

 

[FGB]

You do see how sick that is, don't you?

Why?

They either operated large farm/ranches, traveled what was back in the day a long distance by themselves at night or/and early morning, dealt with many people of various races and morality and for the times were not poor.

My Grandmother who arrived here in a covered wagon, long before automobiles also carried a large folding knife.

In my family a firearm is a tool, like a hammer or a shovel.

My great, great Grandfather on that side of the family was killed by either Indians or renegades back in around 1840 or so...wounded,he got off a few rounds as the wife and kids escaped out the back door.

My mother carried large sums of cash when she was a construction contractor.

 

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[KingOrfeo]

An armed society is a polite society.

South Central LA ain't a polite society. The level of politesse in the Old West is probably better represented by Deadwood than any 1950s Western.

 

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[KingOrfeo]

That's because Democrats have disarmed the civil society generally . . .

Nonsense. There is no effective gun control outside a few major cities. There are gun owners everywhere. If people don't open-carry as a matter of course, it is because this is not the 19th-Century frontier and nobody needs to.

 

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[BotanyBoy]

An armed society is a polite society.

The overwhelming vast majority of the 3rd world flies wholesale in the face of your bullshit assumption.... so do the numbers of armed Americans.

I've read thousands of pages of history on the old west, spent a lifetime traveling around in it, photographing it, and studying it. Next week I'll be in Wyoming doing the same. The fact is there was less crime and you were much safer in the old west than you were in any of the big eastern cities like New York and Boston, and much of the reason was as you state it, but also because being an asshole, or a crook, could get you killed because people were armed and justice was swift.

The fact is there were less people to commit crimes....didn't have shit to do with how many guns were on how many hips.

If guns = safety then Chicago, Houston, Oakland, S. Central LA, the Bronx, D.C. and DFW would all be the most peaceful spots in America.

But they aren't.....because you're full of shit.

You do see how sick that is, don't you?

Why is that sick?

Because liburhul terrified of gunz doesn't count.....

Nobody has a right to administer their own justice, either.

Bullshit...I absolutely have a right to administer my justices to those who violate me and mine....even in loonly liburhul CA.

An armed society is a polite society.

Saying it again and again doesn't make it less of a total pile of bullshit.

That's because Democrats have disarmed the civil society generally, and has stood by while L.A. was taken over by legal and illegal outlaw gangs.

LOL you must not spend much time in L.A.

Hey gangs are armed!! They are polite because gun on hip.... RIGHT!?!?!?

You saying an armed society is NOT a polite one?

 

[Sean Renaud]

I've read thousands of pages of history on the old west, spent a lifetime traveling around in it, photographing it, and studying it. Next week I'll be in Wyoming doing the same. The fact is there was less crime and you were much safer in the old west than you were in any of the big eastern cities like New York and Boston, and much of the reason was as you state it, but also because being an asshole, or a crook, could get you killed because people were armed and justice was swift.

Vette has an excellent point. I've done up the numbers guys. Unless Vette and his ilk are goddamn crack shots this shit'll be over in a few hours. It'll suck, a few of us'll die but at the end of the day all the polite. . .sorta of polite people will be left and we won't have conservatives any more.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Open carry in most of metropolitan California is not allowed and concealed carry is heavily regulated and suppressed in my county.

It would not have been much different in most 19th-Century American cities. Guns were for the countryside.

 

[luvslingerie200]

The overwhelming vast majority of the 3rd world flies wholesale in the face of your bullshit assumption.... so do the numbers of armed Americans.



The fact is there were less people to commit crimes....didn't have shit to do with how many guns were on how many hips.

If guns = safety then Chicago, Houston, Oakland, S. Central LA, the Bronx, D.C. and DFW would all be the most peaceful spots in America.

But they aren't.....because you're full of shit.



Why is that sick?

Because liburhul terrified of gunz doesn't count.....



Bullshit...I absolutely have a right to administer my justices to those who violate me and mine....even in loonly liburhul CA.



Saying it again and again doesn't make it less of a total pile of bullshit.



LOL you must not spend much time in L.A.

Hey gangs are armed!! They are polite because gun on hip.... RIGHT!?!?!?

You saying an armed society is NOT a polite one?

Funny, most of these major cities have some of the strictest gun control laws on the books. So apparently gun control doesn't equal safety either

 

[BotanyBoy]

Funny, most of these major cities have some of the strictest gun control laws on the books. So apparently gun control doesn't equal safety either

No, 'gun control' in and of itself is not the answer anymore than the idiot fucking retard assumption that an armed society is a polite one. Esp not the bullshit kinda gun control but not really laws we have here in the US.

Never said it was.....

Personally I think the problem is a centrist one....this trying to do it half assed to make everyone happy? Yea...that's fail.

We either need to own being an armed society and let guns roll like hammers and rubbermaid buckets, or we need to get complete the RW police state with the left half and do a full militarized search and seizure of firearms nation wide.

Hey the RW war on drugz has failed and they are going to be needing a bunch of people to put back into their cash cows (prisons) if they go with the lefties you can start the war on gunz and keep getting paid to imprisoning Americans for silly shit.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Funny, most of these major cities have some of the strictest gun control laws on the books. So apparently gun control doesn't equal safety either

Major cities have their different issues.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Funny, most of these major cities have some of the strictest gun control laws on the books. So apparently gun control doesn't equal safety either

Of course, they would be even more dangerous without it.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Major cities have their different issues.

You hush...that leads away from "this issue and it's solution can be summed up into a catch phrase or slogan that fits my political agenda" and spurs real thoughts and discussion on the subject.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Of course, they would be even more dangerous without it.

No they wouldn't....partisan hack.

Banning certain astetic accessories on a class of weapons that account for less than 3% of crimes and semi carry restrictions with no way to back them up have not made any major cities in America safer and you don't have any more to back that bull shit up than vette does his "an armed society is a polite society" pile of bull shit. American 'gun control' policy has been a total fucking failure because it's a joke.....

How big of a joke? You still back banning mall ninja accessories on assault rifles to fix a small cal handgun problem....because they look scarier.

That big of a joke....yup...it's point blank that fucking retarded.

The issue is far more complicated than idiot LW Americans and their "Any gun control is good gun control" or idiot RW Americans and their "Moar gunz = less crime!" are willing to even admit in the discussion.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The stats seem to bear out that even in the US where gun control is a joke for several reasons that yes, you are safer. Maybe not safe, but safer.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The stats seem to bear out that even in the US where gun control is a joke for several reasons that yes, you are safer. Maybe not safe, but safer.

Then post em...because all the stats I have seen say assault weapons bans, waiting periods and various carry restrictions have done fuck all at large, questionably little in certain places and in some places exacerbated violence problems depending on geographic location vs political and socioeconomic climate. D.C. vs Memphis vs SanDiego for example.

Besides crime continues an overall decline despite the assault weapons bans expiration years back......

If what you say is true how do you explain that?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Then post em...becaues all the stats I have seen say assault weapons bans, waiting periods and various carry restrictions have done fuck all and in some places exacerbated violence problems depending on geographic location vs political and socioeconomic climate.

Besides crime continues an overall decline despite the assault weapons bans expiration years back......

If what you say is true how do you explain that?

Goddamnit, I can't seem to find the site so I'll rescind the statement and put it under opinion. I don't have much of an emotional attachment to this issue, I mostly agree with you. I think you tend to be a little gun happy for my tastes but I'd be perfectly happy to let you write gun laws for the country. (And I do mean country, fuck state's rights' that's stupid fucking idea.

Crime is on an overall decline worldwide. Honestly I blame smart phones and Xboxes. Happier people, less crime. There's also less (real) wars going on. All the people fighting now are poor pissants. When the last time two "major" countries went to war? Despite what the Right would have you believe the world gets to be a better over all place every year. Turns out the best way to acheive world peace is to get a mother fucker a McDonald's.