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[Sean Renaud]

Your explanation was incorrect Real American.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Nope.

America, and it's citizens disagree.

I explained already.

And your explanation amounted to you changing the meaning of words to the extent they render the constitution completely meaningless to suit your argument, also known as buushitting.

The reality is the Government can pretty much tax and spend on whatever the fuck it wants because of it, it has been and will continue to do so. Leading us back to our elected officials. They are working within the law and they are fucking us with it....the fact that we don't hold them accountable and keep putting them back in office because we like them fucking us doesn't make the fucking unconstitutional or unlawful. It's just a lazy stupid citizenry getting what it deserves by the numbers.

The government you want doesn't require any bloodshed or anything nuts. We just have to replace our entire government with libertarians just like you, it will be utopia and everyone will want to keep them in office. It's just that easy!

Good luck!

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

America, and it's citizens disagree.



And your explanation amounted to you changing the meaning of words to the extent they render the constitution completely meaningless to suit your argument, also known as buushitting.

The reality is the Government can pretty much tax and spend on whatever the fuck it wants because of it, it has been and will continue to do so. Leading us back to our elected officials. They are working within the law and they are fucking us with it....the fact that we don't hold them accountable and keep putting them back in office because we like them fucking us doesn't make the fucking unconstitutional or unlawful. It's just a lazy stupid citizenry getting what it deserves by the numbers.

The government you want doesn't require any bloodshed or anything nuts. We just have to replace our entire government with libertarians just like you, it will be utopia and everyone will want to keep them in office. It's just that easy!

Good luck!

Just like him?

I for one would prefer someone in office that actually has a fucking clue what the Constitution says and means if it's not too much trouble.

 

[Real_American17]

Your explanation was incorrect Real American.

Nope.

America, and it's citizens disagree.

Wrong.

And your explanation amounted to you changing the meaning of words to the extent they render the constitution completely meaningless to suit your argument, also known as buushitting.

Nope, try again oathbreaker.

The reality is the Government can pretty much tax and spend on whatever the fuck it wants because of it, it has been and will continue to do so. Leading us back to our elected officials. They are working within the law and they are fucking us with it....the fact that we don't hold them accountable and keep putting them back in office because we like them fucking us doesn't make the fucking unconstitutional or unlawful. It's just a lazy stupid citizenry getting what it deserves by the numbers.

Communist.

The government you want doesn't require any bloodshed or anything nuts. We just have to replace our entire government with libertarians just like you, it will be utopia and everyone will want to keep them in office. It's just that easy!

Good luck!

Exactly!

 

[BotanyBoy]

Just like him?

I for one would prefer someone in office that actually has a fucking clue what the Constitution says and means if it's not too much trouble.

So would I but that doesn't change the fact that the US could look exactly like he wants it if we replaced our current pols with a bunch of people who shared his views.

Nope.

Wrong.

Nope, try again oathbreaker.

So you're just ignoring the Constitution and the power it endows the people with, and calling me an oathbreaker for it.

That makes sense!

Communist.

There is nothing about the current political reality of the US that makes me a communist.

 

[Real_American17]

So you're just ignoring the Constitution and the power it endows the people with, and calling me an oathbreaker for it.

This might explain some of your incorrect positions...

You think the Constitution "empowers" the People, untrue the Constitution is the shackle placed on government by the People. The government gets it's authority from that document, the document gets its power from the People.

There is nothing about the current political reality of the US that makes me a communist.

Nice try, you already supported government over the individual, unlimited governmental power, etc.

You do not believe in or support any principles of America, you swore an oath, therefore you are an oathbreaker.

 

[Sean Renaud]

That's fine, I'm an oathbreaker to because I live in the real world.

 

[BotanyBoy]

This might explain some of your incorrect positions...

You think the Constitution "empowers" the People, untrue the Constitution is the shackle placed on government by the People.

In a lot of ways yes. But not Article 1 Section 8 where it specifically grants congress the power to lay and collect taxes.

So you are either ignoring the constitution like the oathbreaking anarchist you are.......or you're wrong.

Which is it?

Nice try, you already supported government over the individual, unlimited governmental power, etc.

No that's you're ascription because you can't read worth a fuck.

You do not believe in or support any principles of America, you swore an oath, therefore you are an oathbreaker.

More lies/ascription.....shocking

I swore and oath to defend the constitution....not ignore it when it's convenient for my political arguments, oathbreaker

 

[Real_American17]

In a lot of ways yes. But not Article 1 Section 8 where it specifically grants congress the power to lay and collect taxes.

So you are either ignoring the constitution like the oathbreaking anarchist you are.......or you're wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHjemhme7HM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un-9cTljwHI

No that's you're ascription because you can't read worth a fuck.

Nope.

I swore and oath to defend the constitution....not ignore it when it's convenient for my political arguments, oathbreaker

You are a threat to America.

 

[BotanyBoy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHjemhme7HM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un-9cTljwHI

I agree.

Doesn't change the fact that it's in the Constitution and the people feel it should be used that way so that's the way it's being used. 100% legally and constitutionally.

Nope.

You are a threat to America.

Yep.

How so?

 

[Hypoxia]

Some folks have no sense of reality. Reality is what happens. Doesn't matter what you want or believe -- if it affects you, it's real.

Legality has nothing to do with principles. Whatever a court approves and enforces is legal. Courts have voided constitutional principles since day one. (Cf. Indian treaties.) Your interpretation of constitutional text is irrelevant. You don't like that? Tough. Accept it or suffer. Ah fuck, suffer anyway. (Cf. WWII Japanese-American internment.)

Blather on about what should or shouldn't be. That's just mental masturbation. Mao was right: power flows from the barrel of a gun. Whoever points a gun at you, rules. You're irrelevant when you're dead.

 

[phrodeau]

This might explain some of your incorrect positions...

You think the Constitution "empowers" the People, untrue the Constitution is the shackle placed on government by the People. The government gets it's authority from that document, the document gets its power from the People.

Nice try, you already supported government over the individual, unlimited governmental power, etc.

You do not believe in or support any principles of America, you swore an oath, therefore you are an oathbreaker.

That was funny. Do another backflip.

 

[1sickbastard]

Mao was right: power flows from the barrel of a gun. Whoever points a gun at you, rules. You're irrelevant when you're dead.

There's a great scene from the movie "Viva Zapata" (with Marlin Brando and Anthony Quinn), between Emilio Zapata and (Presidente) Francisco Madero (1911-1913):
Zapata points his rifle at Madero's heart. "Give me your watch," demands Zapata. Madero gives him his watch. Zapata tells Madero, "Take my gun." Zapata forces Madero to take his rifle. "Now you can have your watch back." Zapata says. "You draw a strong moral." Madera replies.

The point for this thread being; As much as the vetteman, I mean "realamerican## wants to deny it, the American Public has given the Gov't the guns to enforce taxation via the instrument of the US Constitution.

And the fact is he is too much a coward to admit he's wrong, or to move to some shit-hole like the Sudan or Chad and see what his 'libertarian utopia' is in reality.

 

[Real_American17]

Doesn't change the fact that it's in the Constitution and the people feel it should be used that way so that's the way it's being used. 100% legally and constitutionally.

Unlawful.

Yep.

I said nope, so your "yep" means you agree.

How so?

You think having this relationship between the People and government is right and good.

Whoever points a gun at you, rules. You're irrelevant when you're dead.

So when we point the guns at them, and they are dead...

When people like you are dead, and people like me are left...

Finally a perfect new world will be born!

 

[BotanyBoy]

Unlawful.

Not according to the courts or the people of the US.

You think having this relationship between the People and government is right and good.

That's just you making shit up again.

Understanding the reality of the relationship doesn't constitute support for it.

 

[Sean Renaud]

That's the thing RA. The people like me rule the world. You'll never kill us all, you'll never get close.

 

[BotanyBoy]

That's the thing RA. The people like me rule the world. You'll never kill us all, you'll never get close.

He doesn't seem to understand that his fantasies =/= reality.

I can't even blame him for the fantasy though.

I'd love to just be able to do whatever the fuck I wanted. Sell anything I want to whoever I want when/however/at any price I want. Trash any natural resources I needed in order to get what I want and kill anyone who fucks with me.

A psycho like me would be the fuckin' man on at least my block with a decent chance of owning a city/region.

It's a fun fantasy!

Shit if I didn't have family here I'd likely have left the US as soon as I was retired. Africa is the fuckin' spot man.....you can pretty much do whatever the fuck you want.

 

[Real_American17]

Not according to the courts or the people of the US.

Courts are the enemy of America.

What people? You mean the zombies that worship rappers, actors, and reality TV stars? You mean the people that don't know what country we fought against for independence?

The vast majority of Americans don't deserve to live let alone vote.

We need to cleanse at least 90% of the population, we need to repopulate, and breed a new generation of Americans that can take this planet back from the hordes of Muslims, feminist, communists, and worst of all the Zionists that are destroying it.

Understanding the reality of the relationship doesn't constitute support for it.

So address your comment about "roads and public schools", should the government be doing that or not?

That's the thing RA. The people like me rule the world. You'll never kill us all, you'll never get close.

History is filled with scum like you being butchered by people like me.

Your evil will not last, you and your family will be purged.

He doesn't seem to understand that his fantasies =/= reality.

I can't even blame him for the fantasy though.

You're an oathbreaking communist.

I'd love to just be able to do whatever the fuck I wanted. Sell anything I want to whoever I want when/however/at any price I want. Trash any natural resources I needed in order to get what I want and kill anyone who fucks with me.

If you stole, committed fraud, murdered, raped, etc. you would be punished by the community.

Having your tongue, hands, genitals removed, being crucified, burned, crushed, etc.

Or just fined and/or imprisoned.

We would still have laws and juries, the rights of everyone is equal, which means you cannot kill unless the other person is stealing, trespassing, threatening, battering, raping, etc. you/your property or someone else/their property.

 

[phrodeau]

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Courts are the enemy of America.

Damned Article III.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Courts are the enemy of America.

so you outright reject the Constitution, good to know.

What people?

The people of these United States of America.

We need to cleanse at least 90% of the population,

Good luck with that!

So address your comment about "roads and public schools", should the government be doing that or not?

Federally no on schools....should be a state/local issue.

At this point interstate highways have become critical infrastructure to both interstate and international trade/commerce. So interstate highways yes, the rest should be all state/local imo.

If you stole, committed fraud, murdered, raped, etc. you would be punished by the community.

Bullshit, I got a fuckin' army and I do whatever the fuck I want.

We would still have laws and juries,

You just said courts are the enemy, and 'the golden rule' isn't much for laws.....

You're going to need a legit police force, public servants used to keep the peace.

That shit is expensive and since nobody wants to give up their money that means you're going to have to go rob the citizens of your town/county/state to pay for it....meaning a collection agency with some legal weight behind it to get those collections. AKA the IRS

So you're either a filthy fucking communist by your standards or you lied about being an anarchist. If you're wondering what you just got sat down in it's a pile of your own shit

Liar or communist...which is it?

 

[Real_American17]

so you outright reject the Constitution, good to know.

I reject it's misuse.

The people of these United States of America.

No they don't.

Good luck with that!

Thanks, it's gonna take a lot of elbow grease and American gumption.

Federally no on schools....should be a state/local issue.

No, not the role of any level of government.

At this point interstate highways have become critical infrastructure to both interstate and international trade/commerce. So interstate highways yes, the rest should be all state/local imo.

No reason why corporations or communities could pool resources to pay a private company to perform road maintenance.

Bullshit, I got a fuckin' army and I do whatever the fuck I want.

How would someone amass such an army? How would it defeat the population of the local neighborhood, city, etc.

You just said courts are the enemy, and 'the golden rule' isn't much for laws.....

Government controlled courts, lawyers and judges. You don't need that to have juries and laws.

You're going to need a legit police force, public servants used to keep the peace.

I don't think you would. But even still why not have competing security companies providing protection to different areas?

That shit is expensive and since nobody wants to give up their money that means you're going to have to go rob the citizens of your town/county/state to pay for it....meaning a collection agency with some legal weight behind it to get those collections. AKA the IRS

Wrong, Microsoft and Burger King seem to have no problem getting money from customers without a collection agency. And having a collection agency doesn't require forceful collection.

So you're either a filthy fucking communist by your standards or you lied about being an anarchist. If you're wondering what you just got sat down in it's a pile of your own shit

When did I ever claim to be an anarchist? Nice try oathbreaker...

Liar or communist...which is it?

Neither, I'm a real American.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I reject it's misuse.

You're rejecting entire sections of it (calling it an enemy) and arbitrarally changing entire word meanings to get the rest of it so suit your views....oathbreaker.

No, not the role of any level of government.

That's up to the people of each state to decide.

No reason why corporations or communities could pool resources to pay a private company to perform road maintenance.

Except that it doesn't work, never has anywhere and likely never will.

How would someone amass such an army? How would it defeat the population of the local neighborhood, city, etc.

Same way you do it in any other lawless shit hole.

Government controlled courts, lawyers and judges. You don't need that to have juries and laws.

All courts and thus their officers and laws are forms of government....no matter how localized you get it's still government.

You're arguing for anarchy.... oathbreaker.

 

[Real_American17]

You're rejecting entire sections of it (calling it an enemy) and arbitrarally changing entire word meanings to get the rest of it so suit your views....oathbreaker.

I reject your false views.

That's up to the people of each state to decide.

Wrong, this is not a democracy.

Except that it doesn't work, never has anywhere and likely never will.

Wrong, that's how it has existed and how it will exist. And in limited areas how it still exists.

Same way you do it in any other lawless shit hole.

You're claim is false, all you do is make the assertion is will be like Somalia.

This is ridiculous communist propaganda, on top of that I never said there would be no laws.

All courts and thus their officers and laws are forms of government....no matter how localized you get it's still government.

But it doesn't need to be a fixture, it can be pulled from the community when needed and then disbanded.

You're arguing for anarchy.... oathbreaker.

No I'm not. You are using words that you don't understand. You are a small minded zombie.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I reject your false views.

Wrong, this is not a democracy.

You're rejecting the US Constitution.

To some extent it is.

Wrong, that's how it has existed and how it will exist. And in limited areas how it still exists.

In limited areas we call shit holes.

You're claim is false, all you do is make the assertion is will be like Somalia.

This is ridiculous communist propaganda, on top of that I never said there would be no laws.

You argue for ambiguous laws that have proven ineffective and a non existent justice system to enforce them. Doesn't get more anarchist than that.

Every country operating like that is a fucking hole.

 

[Real_American17]

You're rejecting the US Constitution.

To some extent it is.

Wrong on both.

In limited areas we call shit holes.

So private roads and parking lots build by malls, stadiums, etc. are of lesser quality than those my the city or State?

You argue for ambiguous laws that have proven ineffective and a non existent justice system to enforce them. Doesn't get more anarchist than that.

How is no murder, an ambiguous law?

Every country operating like that is a fucking hole.

They aren't America.

The United States is a singularly unique nation in human history.