Texas, Where Idiots are Bigger!

[1sickbastard]

If you want to see the sour side of a church official, try putting a pair of pigeons or a sack of flour into the offering basket. Leviticus 5:7-13.

Even better is suggesting the paid members of the church hierarchy have their salaries rescinded (after all, why should they get money for "serving the lord" when they'll be rewarded handsomely inn heaven), church properties sold off (because the congregation can meet and worship at private residences, besides which any god that created the stars, the moon, rainbows and the Grand Canyon is hardly going to be flattered by some human building) and all tithes be given directly to the poor/needy by the individual congregation members (because the church won't need money if there are no salaries, properties or any financial overhead to support).

Watch just how fast you get adjudged an apostate or a heretic and excommunicated...

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

You got a cite for that? Everything I've seen says TX gives more than it takes.

Of course. http://www.theatlantic.com/business...tates-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/

Data clearly shows that Texas residents receive an average of $1.50 from the federal government for every dollar paid in federal income tax (likely due to 15% of the population being on SNAP and 18% being below the poverty line). If you look at direct federal subsidies then texas ekes by at $.94 per dollar paid into the federal government. This is not a anomaly, 16 of the 20 states that receive the biggest return are conservative states in the south and the "rugged individualist" states in the North.

One of the stand outs is South Carolina, who receives $7.87 back from Washington for every $1 its citizens pay in federal tax.

It’s not just that some states are getting way more in return for their federal tax dollars, but the disproportionate amount of federal aid that some states receive allows them to keep their own taxes artificially low.

This allows states like Texas and Florida to not have a state income tax and make up the difference in federal money.

 

[BotanyBoy]

This allows states like Texas and Florida to not have a state income tax and make up the difference in federal money.

Welp there ya go!!

What it looks like to me is them not giving a fuck about liberal bullshit and the fed covering it anyhow because if they don't the control freak libs thousands of miles away will come unglued.

 

[Real_American17]

I never said it had to be physical, I said you can't change the definition to suit your argument.

Regardless of physical or not it still violates the NAP.

No they are not and neither is theft or hacking.

Yes they are.

What liberty? The liberty to pollute the towns water?

This isn't minority report, the liberty to do those things and face the consequences shall not be infringed.

If a company dumps a barrel of waste into the lake it will pay, and the individuals involved will be imprisoned or executed.

Oathbreaker......you're outright refusing to obey it.

I'm defending it from totalitarian thugs.

Yea it does, explicitly.

It does not. This nation was founded because of the belief that no taxation without representation.

The government has no claim to the fruits of anyone's labor, that is slavery!

Government isn't Church, welcome to the conversation.

And the government has no authority, it is the consent of the governed. The People control the government, it is the slave not the master.

No I'm not, you're just making shit up because you got your ass handed to you on a platter.

Stop with all that sore loser ascription....it's sad.

I knew you were a progressive shit stained Oathbreaker, thanks for saving me the trouble of finding your earlier posts.

I'll just point to this one.

 

[Sean Renaud]

That liberal bullshit includes disaster protection.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Welp there ya go!!

What it looks like to me is them not giving a fuck about liberal bullshit and the fed covering it anyhow because if they don't the control freak libs thousands of miles away will come unglued.

What it looks like to you and reality seldom coincide it seems.

The fact is, if Texas were able to convince the rest of the states to LET them secede from the U.S. their economy would collapse in on itself like a flan in a cupboard without all of the federal money they greedily grab up.

No more federal funds for Texans. this will impact SNAP, Social Security, Military bases no longer pouring money into the economy, Medicaid, Medicare, CHIP, FEMA, Border Patrol, Interstate and airport funding, Any number of crime fighting grants, Wildlife restoration grants, Homeland Security, Low income home energy assistance, School improvement grants. Literally hundreds of sources of funding for Texas will dry up.

 

[sr71plt]

No more federal funds for Texans. this will impact SNAP, Social Security, Military bases no longer pouring money into the economy, Medicaid, Medicare, CHIP, FEMA, Border Patrol, Interstate and airport funding, Any number of crime fighting grants, Wildlife restoration grants, Homeland Security, Low income home energy assistance, School improvement grants. Literally hundreds of sources of funding for Texas will dry up.

Yep, although I think there would be arrangements on already committed individual benefits like Medicare and Medicaid and certainly retirement annuities. You can live abroad and still pull some on the first two and all on the last if your earnings on them were established.

But the rest of it, yes. Shallow thinkers just can't get their heads around that--because they don't want to. The fact is that what you pay in tax dollars for what you get is a bargain deal because of the economies of scale of the government buying and providing those services and you not having to do all that individually.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Regardless of physical or not it still violates the NAP.

Yes they are.

Maybe in your fantasy world because your not adult enough to admit you fucked up.

But no they aren't.

It does not.

The government has no claim to the fruits of anyone's labor, that is slavery!

Yes it does Article I Section 8 it explicitly outlines it.

You're an Oath breaking enemy of the state and I hope they have you on a watch list.

That liberal bullshit includes disaster protection.

So? They don't want it....fuck em.

Oh oh wait...a liburhul contractor pob has some congress critters in their pocket to force that shit down their throats at an asto-fucking-nomical rate. So the rest of the country has to float all that bullshit for the 2nd largest economy in the union because that economy doesn't want to pay for it.

Very Clintonish....

What it looks like to you and reality seldom coincide it seems.[

The fact is, if Texas were able to convince the rest of the states to LET them secede from the U.S. their economy would collapse in on itself like a flan in a cupboard without all of the federal money they greedily grab up.

That's not a fact that's your flaming liburhul assumption.

No more federal funds for Texans. this will impact SNAP, Social Security, Military bases no longer pouring money into the economy, Medicaid, Medicare, CHIP, FEMA, Border Patrol, Interstate and airport funding, Any number of crime fighting grants, Wildlife restoration grants, Homeland Security, Low income home energy assistance, School improvement grants. Literally hundreds of sources of funding for Texas will dry up.

So basically they wouldn't get a bunch of shit they don't fuckin want in the first place?

Oh noez not that! I'm sure they would totally come apart at the seams without all your precious welfare programs that they all fucking hate!

 

[Real_American17]

That liberal bullshit includes disaster protection.

Liberal nanny state hogwash!

Disaster protection is the responsibility of the individual.

But no they aren't.

You are flat-out wrong.

Yes it does Article I Section 8 it explicitly outlines it.

Incorrect.

You're an Oath breaking enemy of the state and I hope they have you on a watch list.

I'm the only true Patriot in this conversation.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You are flat-out wrong.

Not by any definition of the words both common and legal.

Incorrect.

So you're saying Article I section 8 doesn't exist?

Because here in black and white it says I'm right.

"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States"

Either you're wrong or the Constitution is wrong....which is it??

I'm the only true Patriot in this conversation.

LOL you're anti-Constitution.....how is that possible?

 

[Sean Renaud]

So? They don't want it....fuck em.

Oh oh wait...a liburhul contractor pob has some congress critters in their pocket to force that shit down their throats at an asto-fucking-nomical rate. So the rest of the country has to float all that bullshit for the 2nd largest economy in the union because that economy doesn't want to pay for it.

So basically they wouldn't get a bunch of shit they don't fuckin want in the first place?

Oh noez not that! I'm sure they would totally come apart at the seams without all your precious welfare programs that they all fucking hate!

They do want it, they just don't want to pay for it. We know because this precise scenario played out during the 2012 elections. Texas had already cut their funding and then Superstorm Sandy hit. Magically the time to cut FEMA was neither when Texas was on fire or when New Jersey was seven fathoms under. Hell that Governor came out to personally hug President Blackenstien during an election because politics be damned he was happy the feds had come to the rescue.

How far apart they would fall is utter speculation. The fact that they would not be able to carry on as things are however isn't.

Liberal nanny state hogwash!

Disaster protection is the responsibility of the individual.

Well that's fine, I want a liberal nanny state and will not allow you to take it away from me. So have fun.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

So basically they wouldn't get a bunch of shit they don't fuckin want in the first place?

Oh noez not that! I'm sure they would totally come apart at the seams without all your precious welfare programs that they all fucking hate!

Texans may say "leave us alone, we'll do it ourselves" and claim that "They all hate them federal programs", but Texas gladly rakes in tens of billions per year from the federal government. They rank 29th nationwide in federal money dependency. Federal aid made up 40% of Texas' state general revenue in 2015. Loss of those funds would more than decimate the amount of money Texas has available for public services.

It would be a humanitarian disaster for Texas unseen since the great Depression. Texans would be hunting down their politicians for letting this happen.

 

[Real_American17]

Not by any definition of the words both common and legal.

You are wrong. Harrassment, stalking, slander, defamation, etc. are all in violation of the NAP.

So you're saying Article I section 8 doesn't exist?

I'm saying that this country and the freedom it represents is under attack by fascists like you.

Either you're wrong or the Constitution is wrong....which is it??

I explained already why it is C) You are wrong.

LOL you're anti-Constitution.....how is that possible?

I support the foundational principles and values of America and as best the Constitution embodies them, were it fails I will side with American ideals.

This is the hierarchy:
People > States > Constitution > Federal

Well that's fine, I want a liberal nanny state and will not allow you to take it away from me. So have fun.

Filth like you will be burned in the streets with the rest of the trash!

You will not take my country from me, you will destroy America, you are weak and you will be purged. Your family, your friends, are all going to burn.


Filth like you can never prevail over good men willing to kill and die for what's right.

History has proven countless times that evil like yours will always be torn down by the righteous.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I already took your country generations ago. You wants something that really never existed but good luck with the purge and the burning. The reality is we won't even notice you. You'll rage and rage but your no more dangerous to me than the crow outside my window.

 

[BotanyBoy]

They do want it, they just don't want to pay for it.

If they don't want to pay then they obviously don't want it.

How far apart they would fall is utter speculation. The fact that they would not be able to carry on as things are however isn't.

True and I wouldn't argue otherwise but to think that they would just collapse into a black hole is fucking ridiculous.

Texans may say "leave us alone, we'll do it ourselves" and claim that "They all hate them federal programs",

Right.

but Texas gladly rakes in tens of billions per year from the federal government.

No....the feds give them all this shit because it makes their homies rich.

Loss of those funds would more than decimate the amount of money Texas has available for public services.

It would be a humanitarian disaster for Texas unseen since the great Depression.

So? That sounds like a Texas problem.

Why continue to tell them the stove is hot?

Pay billions for a nanny to stand there and keep lil Tejas from burning his dumbshit hand on the stove?

Why not just let lil Tejas reach up there and find out exactly why mom said no.

Texans would be hunting down their politicians for letting this happen.

GOOD!! FUCKING DO IT!!

 

[BotanyBoy]

I support the foundational principles and values of America and as best the Constitution embodies them, were it fails I will side with American ideals.

So back to Section 1 article 8.....

Is it real or are you wrong?

 

[Real_American17]

So back to Section 1 article 8.....

Is it real or are you wrong?

You are reading into more power than it has.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You are reading into more power than it has.

Where exactly?

"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States"

That's about as fucking clear and direct as it gets.

 

[Real_American17]

Where exactly?

"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States"

That's about as fucking clear and direct as it gets.

You are giving them free range to decide what those include. You are also giving them the power to enforce collection, that is not given in the Constitution. It says they can "lay" set an amount and "collect" pick-up, that was meant for voluntarily contributions for a common need.

 

[sr71plt]

Power to collect is pretty much power to enforce collection.

You are such a windbag.

But then so is BB. I usually just roll on past the posts of you two yammering at each other--grateful that this is taking up your time and effort in ranting at each other.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You are giving them free range to decide what those include.

There is no limitations on what those include....it's up to our elected officials to decide and we the people decide who our elected officials are. If we don't like it we can fire them in a variety of ways and put a new official in office.

See how that works?

You are also giving them the power to enforce collection, that is not given in the Constitution. It says they can "lay" set an amount and "collect" pick-up, that was meant for voluntarily contributions for a common need.

Collect means take.

Your interpretation of what it SHOULD be is not the same as what it is.

If they had meant it to be voluntary they would have and should have stated as much, not a single word on that document was chosen carelessly. Every one of them was deliberate.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Power to collect is pretty much power to enforce collection.

You are such a windbag.

But then so is BB. I usually just roll on past the posts of you two yammering at each other--grateful that this is taking up your time and effort in ranting at each other.

Nice of you to spend your time and effort coming in here telling us about how little you care.

LOL

Kick any homeless people lately Sachs fan boy?

 

[sr71plt]

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Kick any homeless people lately Sachs fan boy?

I've kicked you a couple of times. I presume that counts.

You too are such a windbag.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I've kicked you a couple of times. I presume that counts.

What happened there Mr.Strollonbye??

Nose so high up in the air it get caught on something in this thread?

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You too are such a windbag.

Says the guy still hanging around presuming and ascribing just as fast as his little plutocratic fingaz can.

 

[Real_American17]

Power to collect is pretty much power to enforce collection.

Incorrect.

You are such a windbag.

And you are a nigger.

There is no limitations on what those include

Tyranny!

it's up to our elected officials to decide and we the people decide who our elected officials are. If we don't like it we can fire them in a variety of ways and put a new official in office.

Nonsense, that is unAmerican.

What if tomorrow the elected officials representing the will of the majority decided to outlaw veterans as a danger? Would you happily report into the processing center and board a traincar to the camps?

See how that works?

Yes, and so did the Jews, Gypsies, and other undesirables in Germany under Hitler!

Collect means take.

But it doesn't mean by force.

Your interpretation of what it SHOULD be is not the same as what it is.

Cuts both ways.

If they had meant it to be voluntary they would have and should have stated as much, not a single word on that document was chosen carelessly. Every one of them was deliberate.

And yet we supposedly need the Supreme Court to constantly reinterpret it's meaning why?