Thanks Obama!

[RobDownSouth]

Not sure why who was president when Bin Laden was caught really matters.

The US military hunted Bin Laden down ceaselessly for several years, he evaded capture during the Bush administration but was caught during the Obama administration.

Kudos to the military for not giving up. Period.

I know geopolitical alliances are shaky (see: Afghanistan) but Pakistan seemed to go out of their way to help Bin Laden hide. I wish someone had followed up on the "why" of that.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Not sure why who was president when Bin Laden was caught really matters.

The US military hunted Bin Laden down ceaselessly for several years, he evaded capture during the Bush administration but was caught during the Obama administration.

Kudos to the military for not giving up. Period.

I know geopolitical alliances are shaky (see: Afghanistan) but Pakistan seemed to go out of their way to help Bin Laden hide. I wish someone had followed up on the "why" of that.

Pakistan actually put somebody in prison for ratting him out.

 

[ThatsTheGuy]

Not sure why who was president when Bin Laden was caught really matters.

The US military hunted Bin Laden down ceaselessly for several years, he evaded capture during the Bush administration but was caught during the Obama administration.

Kudos to the military for not giving up. Period.

I know geopolitical alliances are shaky (see: Afghanistan) but Pakistan seemed to go out of their way to help Bin Laden hide. I wish someone had followed up on the "why" of that.

Last time I seen a good book on that sort of thing in that part of the world was some time in the late 90s. I'm sure there's something out there.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Not sure why who was president when Bin Laden was caught really matters.

The US military hunted Bin Laden down ceaselessly for several years, he evaded capture during the Bush administration but was caught during the Obama administration.

Kudos to the military for not giving up. Period.

I know geopolitical alliances are shaky (see: Afghanistan) but Pakistan seemed to go out of their way to help Bin Laden hide. I wish someone had followed up on the "why" of that.

Dude. You know why.

Here is a Fox and Friends news banner for you to imagine:
"Trump sends in Seal Team 6 and they kill Bin Laden!"

There would be a river of conservatard jizz flowing through the Red States to beat the day the Fugitive Slave Law went into effect.

Admit it.

 

[neakman]

Bin Ladin's Reward

byBoxlicker101©
* * * * *

Bin Laden died while hiding and he went to Paradise.
“At last,” he cried, “I’ve traded in my cave for something nice.
Now bring on all the virgins I have earned since you know when.”
He saw a crowd approaching him and said “But those are men!”

George Washington came striding up, and slugged him in the nose.
And Thomas Paine attacked him in his quaint, old fashioned clothes.
James Madison, a little guy, just kicked him in the shin.
Tom Jefferson, a brawny man, unloaded on his chin.

The angry mob all joined in, beating him with clubs and sticks;
They stomped him and they kicked him and they bashed his head with bricks.
They beat him to a bloody pulp; they gave it to him good.
He couldn’t die, for he was dead; he only wished he could.

When God, or Allah, came on by and saw what had been wrought,
Bin Laden couldn’t speak but God responded to his thought.
“I told you what was here for you when you were fin’ly dead.
I said Virginians waited here. What did you think I said?

As a former Virginian, I approve this poem!!

 

[Admiral_Ackbar]

Bin Ladin's Reward

byBoxlicker101©
* * * * *

Bin Laden died while hiding and he went to Paradise.
“At last,” he cried, “I’ve traded in my cave for something nice.
Now bring on all the virgins I have earned since you know when.”
He saw a crowd approaching him and said “But those are men!”

George Washington came striding up, and slugged him in the nose.
And Thomas Paine attacked him in his quaint, old fashioned clothes.
James Madison, a little guy, just kicked him in the shin.
Tom Jefferson, a brawny man, unloaded on his chin.

The angry mob all joined in, beating him with clubs and sticks;
They stomped him and they kicked him and they bashed his head with bricks.
They beat him to a bloody pulp; they gave it to him good.
He couldn’t die, for he was dead; he only wished he could.

When God, or Allah, came on by and saw what had been wrought,
Bin Laden couldn’t speak but God responded to his thought.
“I told you what was here for you when you were fin’ly dead.
I said Virginians waited here. What did you think I said?

Robin Williams did that years ago.

 

[bellisarius]

Last time I seen a good book on that sort of thing in that part of the world was some time in the late 90s. I'm sure there's something out there.

Well, Throb posed a legitimate question.

The possible answer is nature of politics in Pakistan and the Pakistani Intelligence Agency (ISI). The Western provinces of Pakistan are virtually all tribal in nature. Devoutly Muslim and barely out of the Hunter-Gatherer stage of society. They represent a potential source of serious problems and violent unrest to the Pakistani government. As such it is presumed that ISI and the government was trying to keep them focused on what was going on in Afghanistan so as to forestall any internal problems. The government could not be seen to be part of any effort to be cooperative with the US or the other allies. (Remember, a great many of the Taliban are actually Pakistani's.) So while the Pakastani's made little effort to cooperate, they also made no great diplomatic uproar over the drone strikes or the bin Laden raid.

In Obama's defense regarding the postponements of the raid it must be remembered that that raid was nothing more than an armed invasion of a foreign power friendly to the US. There is no way that the US could have alerted the Pakistani government for fear that a 'mole' would leak the operation and bin Laden would bolt again. Obama's decision was not one to be taken lightly. And the reason for the successive one month delays was that the operation had to be carried out during a New Moon.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Robin Williams did that years ago.

The tale is not original, but I've never seen it anywhere else in poetry form.

ETA: And I wrote it almost 13 years ago.

 

[Taint_mAnn]

Not sure why who was president when Bin Laden was caught really matters.

The US military hunted Bin Laden down ceaselessly for several years, he evaded capture during the Bush administration but was caught during the Obama administration.

Kudos to the military for not giving up. Period.

I know geopolitical alliances are shaky (see: Afghanistan) but Pakistan seemed to go out of their way to help Bin Laden hide. I wish someone had followed up on the "why" of that.

Why? Because nobody hates America more than Pakistanis do.

 

[Hypoxia]

Thank Reagan for arming bin Laden in the first place.

 

[ThatsTheGuy]

Well, Throb posed a legitimate question.

The possible answer is nature of politics in Pakistan and the Pakistani Intelligence Agency (ISI). The Western provinces of Pakistan are virtually all tribal in nature. Devoutly Muslim and barely out of the Hunter-Gatherer stage of society. They represent a potential source of serious problems and violent unrest to the Pakistani government. As such it is presumed that ISI and the government was trying to keep them focused on what was going on in Afghanistan so as to forestall any internal problems. The government could not be seen to be part of any effort to be cooperative with the US or the other allies. (Remember, a great many of the Taliban are actually Pakistani's.) So while the Pakastani's made little effort to cooperate, they also made no great diplomatic uproar over the drone strikes or the bin Laden raid.

In Obama's defense regarding the postponements of the raid it must be remembered that that raid was nothing more than an armed invasion of a foreign power friendly to the US. There is no way that the US could have alerted the Pakistani government for fear that a 'mole' would leak the operation and bin Laden would bolt again. Obama's decision was not one to be taken lightly. And the reason for the successive one month delays was that the operation had to be carried out during a New Moon.

Yes. I see now. I wasn't thinking of the raid as an invasion. Most Americans seen it as nothing more than cutting of the head of the leader of a major terrorist organization. I understand the delays. And now the reasoning for the New Moon.

I am still having difficulty understanding why we didn't do a full blow invasion w/focus on Bin Laden if terrorism is/was as important as we claim it to be.

 

[ThatsTheGuy]

Thank Reagan for arming bin Laden in the first place.

Do you think Reagan was really behind that and/or Oliver North was acting as a "point man" merely interpreting what he read as an order to to whatever he had to do? Or am I looking at this pertaining to a different situation?

 

[Hypoxia]

Thank Team Dubya's ignoring Team Clinton's warnings of impending al-Qaeda attacks.

Oh yeah, Dubya's dad was once an employee of Osama bin Laden's dad. Oh, the irony.

 

[EternalFantasies]

Oh.. One wonders if Hypoxia has me indeed on ignore, or researching what I posted on the previous page.

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You may not believe that WTC was a demolition job, with all the expert opinions, that's ok. But every other piece of info I put in there is common knowledge. You just don't know.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

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[loquere]

Killing an unarmed old man in cold blood in front of his wife

REAL COURAGE

 

[loquere]

Nice pictures!

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[IrezumiKiss]

Nice pictures!

Best prez ever. And he got 'im.

https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Images/2011/5/3/201153201728856734_20.jpg

 

[Aglaopheme]

I don't believe he was unarmed. But, in any event, it was W who sent out the dragnet for him, and US forces caught up with the bastard during the Obama administration. I am aware W said the hunt had been canceled, but this was a lie. Under certain circumstances, and this was one, a POTUS is justified in lying to the citizens.


ETA: https://www.rt.com/usa/cia-bin-laden-ak47-593

Draaaaaaaaag

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/opinion/the-bush-white-house-was-deaf-to-9-11-warnings.html

On Aug. 6, 2001, President George W. Bushreceived a classified review of the threats posed by Osama bin Laden and his terrorist network, Al Qaeda. That morning’s “presidential daily brief” — the top-secret document prepared by America’s intelligence agencies — featured the now-infamous heading: “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” A few weeks later, on 9/11, Al Qaeda accomplished that goal.

The direct warnings to Mr. Bush about the possibility of a Qaeda attack began in the spring of 2001. By May 1, the Central Intelligence Agency told the White House of a report that “a group presently in the United States” was planning a terrorist operation. Weeks later, on June 22, the daily brief reported that Qaeda strikes could be “imminent,” although intelligence suggested the time frame was flexible.

But some in the administration considered the warning to be just bluster. An intelligence official and a member of the Bush administration both told me in interviews that the neoconservative leaders who had recently assumed power at the Pentagon were warning the White House that the C.I.A. had been fooled; according to this theory, Bin Laden was merely pretending to be planning an attack to distract the administration from Saddam Hussein, whom the neoconservatives saw as a greater threat. Intelligence officials, these sources said, protested that the idea of Bin Laden, an Islamic fundamentalist, conspiring with Mr. Hussein, an Iraqi secularist, was ridiculous, but the neoconservatives’ suspicions were nevertheless carrying the day.

In response, the C.I.A. prepared an analysis that all but pleaded with the White House to accept that the danger from Bin Laden was real.

The U.S. is not the target of a disinformation campaign by Usama Bin Laden,” the daily brief of June 29 read, using the government’s transliteration of Bin Laden’s first name. Going on for more than a page, the document recited much of the evidence, including an interview that month with a Middle Eastern journalist in which Bin Laden aides warned of a coming attack, as well as competitive pressures that the terrorist leader was feeling, given the number of Islamists being recruited for the separatist Russian region of Chechnya.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Yes. I see now. I wasn't thinking of the raid as an invasion. Most Americans seen it as nothing more than cutting of the head of the leader of a major terrorist organization. I understand the delays. And now the reasoning for the New Moon.

I am still having difficulty understanding why we didn't do a full blow invasion w/focus on Bin Laden if terrorism is/was as important as we claim it to be.

Simple: Pakistan has nukes. You don't arbitrarily invade a country that has nukes without being prepared to suffer horrific casualties.

Can you imagine the political fallout in the US if the 82nd Airborne Division invaded Pakistan and was vaporized?

That sort of consequence gives even the staunchest Trump supporter pause. Even Trump himself might worry about the "bad optics".

 

[richard_daily]

I don't believe he was unarmed. But, in any event, it was W who sent out the dragnet for him, and US forces caught up with the bastard during the Obama administration. I am aware W said the hunt had been canceled, but this was a lie. Under certain circumstances, and this was one, a POTUS is justified in lying to the citizens.


ETA: https://www.rt.com/usa/cia-bin-laden-ak47-593

Maybe if Bush had been more concerned, he could have found him?


http://articles.latimes.com/2004/oct/14/nation/na-osama14

 

[Comshaw]

Stupid idea for a thread. But I guess if it works.......


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Comshaw

 

[Boxlicker101]

Maybe if Bush had been more concerned, he could have found him?


http://articles.latimes.com/2004/oct/14/nation/na-osama14

Bush was not personally involved in the search, nor was Obama. There were others, who had the time and the expertise, although the POTUS was the one who gave the order to move in for the kill, once Osama was located. As for what he told the press, either he lied to make the quarry less alert or he meant that the search had been delegated to others more capable than he. Either way, American forces were actively seeking the terrorist mastermind.

 

[Que]

Yes. I see now. I wasn't thinking of the raid as an invasion. Most Americans seen it as nothing more than cutting of the head of the leader of a major terrorist organization. I understand the delays. And now the reasoning for the New Moon.

I am still having difficulty understanding why we didn't do a full blow invasion w/focus on Bin Laden if terrorism is/was as important as we claim it to be.

Nukes.