The AI & Data Center Thread

One idea I had the other day is that companies should be required to put in nuclear reactors for their data centers. No coal or oil. I think that would answer the power issue and a lot of the emission issues.

And they should dedicate 10% of their computer power to address the other issues.. Eventually, new ways of cooling and powering and even noise.pollution can actually be solved using the.centers themselves
Nuclear power is getting a little traction in the data center industry. No federal, state or regional mandates are in place that I’m aware of, but Microsoft is partnering with the operators of Three Mile Island to restart that facility. Google, Amazon and Meta are partnering with some regional nuclear power providers as well. I’ve also seen some articles about companies developing small scale reactors to serve the data center industry.
 
Nuclear power is getting a little traction in the data center industry. No federal, state or regional mandates are in place that I’m aware of, but Microsoft is partnering with the operators of Three Mile Island to restart that facility. Google, Amazon and Meta are partnering with some regional nuclear power providers as well. I’ve also seen some articles about companies developing small scale reactors to serve the data center industry.
Yah, that's part of where the idea came from.
 
Depends on the data.


Lol...nope.

How many MRI analysts do you think are employed?
Building data centers all over the country is cheaper than paying a bunch of humans to look at MRI data? Then that’s the case the data center advocates should be making!
 
Building data centers all over the country is cheaper than paying a bunch of humans to look at MRI data?
Yes. Also more efficient

Then that’s the case the data center advocates should be making!
They are. But people aren't hearing it because it doesn't make sense to them.

Take, for example, a self driving car. People see that there was an accident that caused deaths by one self driving car. That freaks people out because it's a self driving car....they don't take into account that human driven cars accounted for 20 more accidents in the same 24 hour time frame and that there were 50 self driving cars that did not get in an accident.

Simple point - if I look at an MRI, I use my knowledge of all the MRIs I ever looked at....maybe 100. AI looks at ten to twenty times the number of images with a more precise memory of those images than I do.

Computer power is just better than brain power. Data centers make that possible.
 
The most practical use of data centers is probably testing tactics and hardware of improvised sabotage and defense against sabotage: toy store drones dropping bombs, shooting at wires, stealing electricity and materials for scrap value, etc. Opposition across the political spectrum will draw all kinds of tactics.

I don't advocate any of that, but sabotage seems inevitable, so we might as well get some numbers on the silver linings.
 
There is no demand for AI. It’s a bubble inflated by venture capital chasing the next big thing.

It will eventually pop like all speculative bubbles, but in the meantime investors are pushing up electricity rates and cluttering rural areas with unnecessary data centers.
I wouldn’t go so far as to say “no demand” but I would agree that the revenue derived from AI agents and models is minuscule in relation to the massive amounts of money being spent on building out enabling infrastructure. Companies are making huge bets on the future.

Most of the big enterprise applications vendors like Oracle, SAP and Salesforce embed AI technology within their apps and don’t charge separately. Salesforce is the only one of those big three that break out AI revenue in their financial reporting. They reported $1.2 billion in annual recurring revenue from AI in their most recent period.
 
The most practical use of data centers is probably testing tactics and hardware of improvised sabotage and defense against sabotage: toy store drones dropping bombs, shooting at wires, stealing electricity and materials for scrap value, etc. Opposition across the political spectrum will draw all kinds of tactics.

I don't advocate any of that, but sabotage seems inevitable, so we might as well get some numbers on the silver linings.
Yep - one of the cautions of AI and compute power is that it finds vectors of weakness in networks faster than any human being.
 
Nimbies exist.
Understanding AI and data centers continues to be an issue for many.
The prospect of faster, better MRI scans will surely overcome people’s objections to having a noisy data center in their backyard.
 
Nuclear power is getting a little traction in the data center industry. No federal, state or regional mandates are in place that I’m aware of, but Microsoft is partnering with the operators of Three Mile Island to restart that facility. Google, Amazon and Meta are partnering with some regional nuclear power providers as well. I’ve also seen some articles about companies developing small scale reactors to serve the data center industry.
One area I give Joe Biden great credit for, he signed into law the advance act of 2024 to reform and speed up regulatory licensing and deployment for new nuclear reactors. Long overdue.
 
The prospect of faster, better MRI scans will surely overcome people’s objections to having a noisy data center in their backyard.
That's one aspect of AI. Curing cancer is another. Identifying and solving vulnerabilities in networks is another.

Actually making data centers quieter and more efficient is another.

People are so inept at understanding tech, me explaining it wouldn't help.
 
The prospect of faster, better MRI scans will surely overcome people’s objections to having a noisy data center in their backyard.
It doesn't have to be in their back yard. There are legitimate concerns and they have to be dealt with. Politicians need to depoliticize this issue and work together with big tech, state and local entities. There are millions of acres to build these data centers and in places where nuclear power plants and data centers can work together to serve the American people. People are skeptical of these data centers because the media is creating this monster image fed by Chinese propaganda. People need to do the research, big tech needs to sell it better and politicians need to stop politicizing the issue.
 
One area I give Joe Biden great credit for, he signed into law the advance act of 2024 to reform and speed up regulatory licensing and deployment for new nuclear reactors. Long overdue.
With energy prices always rising, nuclear plants still haven't yet made the first cent of profit, and never will. Nuclear energy still gets funding because there is a fantasy that it will someday be free energy, while we run out of uranium and sustainable fusion remains flatly impossible outside stars.
 
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With energy prices always rising, nuclear plants still haven't yet made the first cent of profit, and never will. Nuclear energy still gets funding because there is a fantasy that it will someday be free energy, while we run out of uranium and sustainable fission remains flatly impossible outside stars.
There is great progress being made to recycle spent nuclear waste for use in advanced fission reactors.
 
With energy prices always rising, nuclear plants still haven't yet made the first cent of profit, and never will. Nuclear energy still gets funding because there is a fantasy that it will someday be free energy, while we run out of uranium and sustainable fusion remains flatly impossible outside stars.
We have plenty of nuclear fuel to sustain nuclear energy for decades.
 
And, we can always store that waste under your double-wide.

We've all gotta make sacrifices for the sake of reading MRI scans.
I think your brain has been overexposed to nuclear waste. It's obvious progress has left you behind. Progress can move forward using socially responsible controls
 
These data centers are going to happen somewhere regardless. Tech companies need to respond to concerns of people. But nimbies need to get over it.
Would you please elaborate on the bolded? I want to make sure I understand what you’re saying before I disagree 😛
 
Would you please elaborate on the bolded? I want to make sure I understand what you’re saying before I disagree 😛
Not in my backyard dipshits need to get over their bullshit
 
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