the cumshot, the trannyshot, and big dongs.

[Etoile]

marginalized? that does not sound like a trans issue to me but more of a self esteem or personal issue. if you take it more personal than what its meant to be, than that is you taking it that way. right? i dont take anything personal when someone tells me they would like to see me be the object as a sex act, or would that be part of the hetro community?

Let me guess, you're a middle-class straight white male? How about you leave talk about marginalization to the people who actually experience it? Because trust me, until you've walked a mile in the shoes of a minority, you will not understand it. That's just the way it is.

feelings? do you think that the rich lady wants to see if the gardner has feelings or not? NO, she just wants to take a trip on the wild side and fuck him. thats what most of these threads are getting at. i want to have sex with a trans girl, thats it! im sure she has feelings as does the gardner. should the gardner be offended because the lady wants to fuck him?

The difference you're missing is that being a gardener (mail carrier, etc) is a profession, not an identity. Very few people in the service profession are so wrapped up in their job that it is who they are. Sure, they might be proud of doing a good job landscaping or they might be real fast at delivering the mail, but their identity is not gardener or mail carrier. It's different for trans people, because your fantasy hinges 100% on something that is very personal to them. So yes, feelings do matter, because you're talking about sexualizing an intensely personal feature rather than somebody's job.

there are some cats in here that get on every thread saying that "trans people have feelings", and "shemale is not the correct term", and "we are not objects". thats all fine and dandy. but why get on a thread that talks about a spacific sex act or body part with that? why should one guys fantasy bother you? you go through life feeling marginalized, but the second someone talks about fucking a trans person ,you have to preach? its a fantasy! let people have them. do you want people preaching to you?(btw, where does god fit in all this? thats another thread)

I don't know what thread you're reading, but I don't see preaching in this one. I see gar9101 making a comment, Tymeless explaining how she feels about it, and me jumping in with a word of advice. You are getting your panties in a great big bunch because of a couple of brief comments. Did you ever think that the reason those three phrases get used so often is because it bears repeating that often? That just maybe people don't learn and so people who actually care about reducing stereotypes have to repeat themselves until it sinks in? Let me say it again: Very few people acknowledge that a trans person is more than their genitals. It's all about the big boobs and big cock combo for most people, because they never come into contact with trans people. So when you finally have the chance to learn what it is, you get pissed off that your happy parade is getting rained on. Oh please.

 

[QueenPentacles]

You go Girl!

I have a new hero! Etoile you are much loved! Thank you for you thoughtful and thought full response. Though I fear it may be wasted on persons or people that fail to see the trans community as people. Again thanks for your thoughts!

Queen of Pentacles

 

[Bystander]

just a comment from a lurker...I get what both sides are saying. I agree it can be annoying to have people come preach PC when you want to talk about fantasy, and on the flip side it can be infuriating if you're trying to talk about a real issue only to have someone come in and post something completely ignorant and offensive.

I think it might be fair for people like SanDeigo to stay out of threads dealing with real issues involving trans-sexual people and tymeless to stay out threads like this which are more fantasy oriented. I think its typically easy to tell the direction a thread is going after the first couple of lines, if not the header. There's not reason why both sides can't coexist. It ain't that hard, just don't click

 

[Tymeless]

just a comment from a lurker...I get what both sides are saying. I agree it can be annoying to have people come preach PC when you want to talk about fantasy, and on the flip side it can be infuriating if you're trying to talk about a real issue only to have someone come in and post something completely ignorant and offensive.

I think it might be fair for people like SanDeigo to stay out of threads dealing with real issues involving trans-sexual people and tymeless to stay out threads like this which are more fantasy oriented. I think its typically easy to tell the direction a thread is going after the first couple of lines, if not the header. There's not reason why both sides can't coexist. It ain't that hard, just don't click

well the thing is people like san deigo would never learn because he wouldn't visit a serious thread, and its quite obvious i'm wasting my typing on him but for the person that comes along and reads after him thats maybe a bit more open minded would see what i've said and realize that transexuals aren't shemales and they aren't just big boobs and big cocks, but real people dealing with real issues. Like i've said i respect his right to a fantasy i'm just pointing out that there is more going on here then just a fantasy since most people don't realize we really exist outside of porn and the jerry springer show.

 

[sandiego1]

who cares about feelings when you are horny and just want to fuck?

when you see a thread with a title such as this one, why would you even read it. you know its not going to be about trans issues that effect the trans community. or deal with the feelings of the people behind the cocks and boobs. and chances are the words shemale, tranny, heshe, ladyboy, etc will be used. so clicking on a thread like this is not what you should be doing(you have better things to do with your time)

this is why i dont go into any serious threads(you are absolutely correct). im not in here for that. im in here to talk and listen to the cats that have some of the same fantasies i have. i have gotten a lot of pms from cats that tell me they feel the exact same way i do.

"Let me guess, you're a middle-class straight white male?" now whos doing the stereo typing? what makes you say that? thats the most ignorant statement on this thread.

 

[Etoile]

Let me guess, you're a middle-class straight white male?" now whos doing the stereo typing? what makes you say that? thats the most ignorant statement on this thread.

I don't think you understand what "stereotyping" means. I based my comment on your obvious lack of sympathy for minorities, not on your writing style, descriptions of yourself, etc. Stereotyping is incorrectly assigning attributes to a person who doesn't display them. You quite clearly have no understanding of the minority experience, therefore you are most likely a member of the majority - straight white males. My comment was based on fact, not stereotypes.

If I had said "all straight white males are unsympathetic to minorities," THAT would be stereotyping. But since you've already proved the unsympathetic part, it's elementary that you are a member of the majority...straight white male.

who cares about feelings when you are horny and just want to fuck?

I feel really sorry for your girlfriend or wife, if you have one.

 

[Tymeless]

I visit these threads just so i can get a point across to someone that reads them because they have fantasies about it so they can see that we are real people with real feelings and so they can possibly add that to there fantasy so its more of a hey i really wouldn't mind having a long loving relationship with a trans where i can fuck her lots of times instead of a 1 time deal. For trans/gays/lesbians any minority to have a chance they have to break the stereotypes and change peoples mindsets about them from the "normal" majority. only then do we truly have a chance in society San Diego. and since you can't seem to understand that i feel sorry for you.

 

[PreggoHottie]

a long loving relationship with a trans where i can fuck her lots of times

Just had to pop in and say that I have that and it's certainly been lots of times...

 

[Mr. Briggs]

Just had to pop in and say that I have that and it's certainly been lots of times...

Sure rub it in Lucky Girl!

 

[Wolfman1982]

I don´t know what to say, other than this. I can clearly see the fetish in seeing a woman with a cock. But God, this is a bit tirering in the long run. If any one thinks I am straight, then I am the strangest straight man ever, since I get turned by so many thing, MtF transsexuals makes me smile, and I do believe they are women, no matter what bodypart they have. And yes of course, I do like seeing a wonderful looking cock, on both women, and men. Heck, I could even see myself with either a man as a boyfriend/lover. And a woman as a girlfriend/lover. And a MtF transsexual as a girlfriend/lover, heck even Buck Angel as a boyfriend/lover.

But when I see a HOT !!! MtF transsexual, and her cock is up and running every now and then. Then I would love to pleasure the woman, as much as possible. So.... to them who only has one thing on their mind, perhaps they should go some where else. Since it really IS irritating, always either having the TS people to attack the "normal strange straight horny guy" having the lives of TS people sour, or maybe some people should try to loosen up just a bit.

Since how many times do I have tell all people it, I am not attacking any one who has the hots for transsexuals. But damn, grow some God damn balls every now and then.

I think many of the TS fetish hungry men, are probably extremely nice guys. But they are maybe just damn horny, and turned about the possibility of seeing a woman with something a little bit extra ?

For all it is worth, then I see MtF transsexuals as women, and all FtM transsexuals as men.

But Stil I want to pleasure some of the hot looking MtF transsexuals, and how hard is that to understand ?

 

[lincspoacher]

as subject

I would agree totally with Tymeless .. Transgendered women are marginalised ..


Not just by Society but by individuals .. to a certain extent the Gender Recognition Act (here in UK has helped) as regards employment,the way in which Transgendered women are treated in Hospitals & by the Police etc ..

But it still hasn't and probably won't affect the marginalisation suffered on account of ignorant people,who see Transgendered women as nothing but sexual freaks or "living" sex toys .. permanently searching for the next adventure.
The Porn industry has much to answer for in this regard.

I am currently in a happy,stable and loving relationship with a Pre-Op lady & until Nov last year was in a LTR with another (we were together for 2 yrs) ... in my experience,I've found that Transgendered women make perfect,loving,loyal partners .. just like most of their Genetic Girl counterparts .. and to me,that's the "secret" .. (if such a thing exists) .. to treat every woman,regardless of Gender "status" with the respect they deserve.

Bye for now,

Poacher.

 

[HottieMama]

I think I you Poacher... Very well said!

 

[Bystander]

I would agree totally with Tymeless .. Transgendered women are marginalised ..


Not just by Society but by individuals .. to a certain extent the Gender Recognition Act (here in UK has helped) as regards employment,the way in which Transgendered women are treated in Hospitals & by the Police etc ..

But it still hasn't and probably won't affect the marginalisation suffered on account of ignorant people,who see Transgendered women as nothing but sexual freaks or "living" sex toys .. permanently searching for the next adventure.
The Porn industry has much to answer for in this regard.

I am currently in a happy,stable and loving relationship with a Pre-Op lady & until Nov last year was in a LTR with another (we were together for 2 yrs) ... in my experience,I've found that Transgendered women make perfect,loving,loyal partners .. just like most of their Genetic Girl counterparts .. and to me,that's the "secret" .. (if such a thing exists) .. to treat every woman,regardless of Gender "status" with the respect they deserve.

Bye for now,

Poacher.

I understand that there is a separate set of issues that Trans-Gendered people have to deal with, and I won't pretend like I know what it's like, because I can't, but being objectified as sex objects is not something unique to just their community. It's a consequence of being part of the female community.

Now I get that SanDeigo may be a bit crass with the way he goes about posting things but that's pretty easily solved by avoiding his threads. He's here to indulge in a fantasy, which is a perfectly valid reason given the purpose of this board. And there are also others who enjoy sharing similar experiences/fantasy. To be honest I never really came to this board to be educated about issues, gay/lesbian or transexual, but I truly appreciate tymelss' posts because they do talk about issues. However I also enjoy the stuff SanDiego posts. It's like one is a serious news-talk show and the other is late-night entertainment. They both have value for some of us.

Anyhow I'll check out now.

 

[lincspoacher]

as subject

Bystander,

I'd agree with you that there's nothing wrong in fantasising .. we've all done it at some time or other.

But there is a difference between fantasising about someone or something & making the assumption that the object of the fantasy is a "thing" which can be discarded once the "objective" (presumably,orgasm) has been achieved.

However,there is a real danger that this can be carried over into real life situations,with the result of causing hurt to someone without good cause ... unless one is aware of the difference.

I can only speak on a personal level in saying that going with TG escorts or watching TG porn does nothing for me .. I've always preferred to be a "player" rather than a "spectator" .. and to date TG women because I enjoyed their company,as opposed to it being a "business transaction" (was that a freudian slip there ?) .. but this does require the awareness of "real life" involvement.

Bye for now,

Poacher.

 

[Wolfman1982]

are my posts just jibber jabber bullshit ?

 

[Etoile]

But there is a difference between fantasising about someone or something & making the assumption that the object of the fantasy is a "thing" which can be discarded once the "objective" (presumably,orgasm) has been achieved.

That's a common issue, actually. I can't tell you how many times I've heard a guy say that when he's horny, he really wants cock. And then after he's had an orgasm, he isn't interested anymore. I've heard this about eating one's own cum, too - guys who will say they like to lick the precum off their fingers, but then after they've had an orgasm they're repulsed by the idea. I think this happens with a lot of things.

 

[lincspoacher]

as subject

Etoile,

That's so true .. and it doesn't just apply in a sexual sense either ...

How many people here have shopped for,prepared and then cooked a meal .. only to find when it comes to actually eating it .. the appetite has mysteriously vanished ? ...

Conversely,in a sexual setting,within a loving relationship .. it doesn't matter one iota whether orgasm is achieved or not .. just being able to cuddle up to one's lover & to know that you're together is in itself a very rewarding experience.

Bye for now,

Poacher.

 

[cumhungry]

tymeless. the way i read the posts here about tranny sex i see it as a total COMPLIMENT.....i'm your basic recently curious so far straight female, always been kinda guy oriented, and when i watch tranny portn i think it's about the hottest, sexiest, most perfect human thing i've ever seen!!!! nobody is intending to insult or degrade.......we are in AWE, ok!??? or at least i am.....i got the basic equipment i was born with, transsexuals have extra stuff they didn't start out with, and the combination is intriguing, enticing, and the stuff fantasies are made of....

 

[Wolfman1982]

tymeless. the way i read the posts here about tranny sex i see it as a total COMPLIMENT.....i'm your basic recently curious so far straight female, always been kinda guy oriented, and when i watch tranny portn i think it's about the hottest, sexiest, most perfect human thing i've ever seen!!!! nobody is intending to insult or degrade.......we are in AWE, ok!??? or at least i am.....i got the basic equipment i was born with, transsexuals have extra stuff they didn't start out with, and the combination is intriguing, enticing, and the stuff fantasies are made of....

I am going to qoute you, since BALUS who isn´t around here in physical form. had the same mindset, when it came to that. That is why, I sometimes feel so frustrated, when the either straight guy, or the just horny guy. Gets a damn asskicking, just because he has that fetish.

And I LOVED BALUS with all my heart, and it still hurts, when I think of her. Not the good we had together, but the things ...... That I didn´t say, or vice versa and stuff.
And to those who still don´t understand, I am a supporter, not an attacker, but I am a multiple sided polygon, when it comes to my persona.

 

[Tymeless]

its not the fantasy that bothers me. and truthfully i'm quite tired of this coming up again and again and i have to repeat myself. It's the fact that people only view us as sexual objects and fantasies. i don't mind people having the fantasy but you know what makes a fantasy even better having a loving relationship with that person to explore them. I'm a strong person mentally i can fight off the bad stereotypes for myself and deal with them but a lot of my fellow trans people aren't as strong and it makes things alot harder on them.

 

[cumhungry]

i understand......women could say the same thing, all the hot girl on girl stuff in porn and the typical male fantasy......this is a sex site and the only naked hot trannys i've ever seen are in porn.....watching porn in general turns me on....that's the whole idea.....i don't worry too much if the "actors" are democrats either.......or if they are vegetarian...that isn't why i'm watching.....i'm talking specifically to the media aspect.....perhaps your beef is better suited to the tranny's who DO porn and feed that stereotype............?

 

[Tymeless]

i understand......women could say the same thing, all the hot girl on girl stuff in porn and the typical male fantasy......this is a sex site and the only naked hot trannys i've ever seen are in porn.....watching porn in general turns me on....that's the whole idea.....i don't worry too much if the "actors" are democrats either.......or if they are vegetarian...that isn't why i'm watching.....i'm talking specifically to the media aspect.....perhaps your beef is better suited to the tranny's who DO porn and feed that stereotype............?

i'll agree with that but the problem there is alot of them are feminine looking men that get conned into it for money and aren't really trans at all they still view themselves as men. or they are trans that are attention whores that probably had traumatic childhoods and get into porn just like most pornstar women. Or they are undereducated trans and can't find a real job to afford their transition because alot of the non education related jobs are bigoted and won't give you a job because your trans. I'll admit i look at these women they are beautiful but i kinda look at them more with a hope i can be as pretty as some of them and i usually look at them and act like the cock isn't even there. I'll say this i look at women in porn all the time and yes i use them to fantasize about them but i still look at them as i would a real woman as someone i would want to be in a relationship with more meaning to the relationship then just sexual fantasy. does that clear anything up?

 

[Etoile]

tymeless. the way i read the posts here about tranny sex i see it as a total COMPLIMENT.....i'm your basic recently curious so far straight female, always been kinda guy oriented, and when i watch tranny portn i think it's about the hottest, sexiest, most perfect human thing i've ever seen!!!! nobody is intending to insult or degrade.......we are in AWE, ok!??? or at least i am.....i got the basic equipment i was born with, transsexuals have extra stuff they didn't start out with, and the combination is intriguing, enticing, and the stuff fantasies are made of....

Most transgender people do not want the "extra stuff" they have. That "extra stuff" is either a penis (for MTF) or breasts (for FTM). While you might think the "best of both worlds" fantasy is cool, a majority of transgender people would rather NOT have their extra stuff, but they cannot afford to get reassignment surgery, or see a therapist, etc. While YOU think it's something to be in awe of, transgender people often feel it is something to be ASHAMED of. Just something to think about.

 

[Tymeless]

Most transgender people do not want the "extra stuff" they have. That "extra stuff" is either a penis (for MTF) or breasts (for FTM). While you might think the "best of both worlds" fantasy is cool, a majority of transgender people would rather NOT have their extra stuff, but they cannot afford to get reassignment surgery, or see a therapist, etc. While YOU think it's something to be in awe of, transgender people often feel it is something to be ASHAMED of. Just something to think about.

good post yet again Etoile <3

 

[HottieMama]

Most transgender people do not want the "extra stuff" they have. That "extra stuff" is either a penis (for MTF) or breasts (for FTM). While you might think the "best of both worlds" fantasy is cool, a majority of transgender people would rather NOT have their extra stuff, but they cannot afford to get reassignment surgery, or see a therapist, etc. While YOU think it's something to be in awe of, transgender people often feel it is something to be ASHAMED of. Just something to think about.

Exactly...given the cost of surgery..for some people it's just out of reach.