The Female Gaze

[hotwords229_A]

Yes.


Tangential, but I had a lesbian girlfriend in grad school who insisted that lesbian women found gay guy sex crazy hot.

All lesbians.

It was never clear to me why she felt entitled to speak for all lesbians.

I have heard this as well. Seems . . . confusing.

 

[Apisto42]

Yes.

Personal experience?

Tangential, but I had a lesbian girlfriend in grad school who insisted that lesbian women found gay guy sex crazy hot.

Why? I’ve known a lot of lesbians and while they spanned the spectrum from lipstick to “I’m more male than any male will ever be while still being a woman” none of them ever told me they thought gay guy sex was hot.

All lesbians.

It was never clear to me why she felt entitled to speak for all lesbians.

 

[hotwords229_A]

Why? I’ve known a lot of lesbians and while they spanned the spectrum from lipstick to “I’m more male than any male will ever be while still being a woman” none of them ever told me they thought gay guy sex was hot.

They didn’t tell you because they were embarrassed, but it’s all of them, I checked.

 

[Trekka]

They didn’t tell you because they were embarrassed, but it’s all of them, I checked.

Bisexual female checking in here

This just in: guy on guy action is (like everything with women) *sometimes* hot to me. It all depends on context.

Perhaps this is because i’m only half gay?

 

[hotwords229_A]

Bisexual female checking in here

This just in: guy on guy action is (like everything with women) *sometimes* hot to me. It all depends on context.

Perhaps this is because i’m only half gay?

Care to share the context that can be sometimes hot?
Blow by blow—so to speak!

 

[hotwords229_A]

So here’s a thought:

Are women objectified because “society says so” or because there is a market for the female body?

In other words, if women lusted after men’s bodies as much as men lust after women, would there be more male objectification in the world?

Misogyny is cool and all, but if there was money to be made wouldn’t there be more male objectification?

I don’t believe we’ve been conditioned to only accept the female form, I think it’s just natural. Certainly throughout time women were subjugated and oppressed, but there is nothing stopping women from fully objectifying men today, and they still aren’t (for the most part) doing it.

I never saw a Magic Mike movie and, with any luck, I never will. But I found it hilarious when I found out there was more female nudity in a movie about male strippers than male nudity. Is that misogyny in film, or is that just what the audience wants. The audience is entirely female or gay male, the only straight guys there were dragged there by their girlfriends in hopes of getting some action from their horniness.

If Magic Mike was the male version of Showgirls and floppy dicks were swinging around left and right, would the movies have made more money or less? Why?

So is society saying no dicks, or is it the audience not wanting to see them?

 

[IngaB]

The Female Gaze.

We hear about the male gaze all the time, but what about the female gaze? What do women like to see, look at, drool over and use as Jilling material?

This is a thread to strip down the male body, take a peak and share what you saw that caused a pulse in your pantaloons.

From eyes to thighs, guts to butts and biceps to . . . . . . ball sets?

Just label links that are explicit, because those are the ones I want to click on the most.

Surfers, firemen

 

[MindYaBitness]

So here’s a thought:

Are women objectified because “society says so” or because there is a market for the female body?

In other words, if women lusted after men’s bodies as much as men lust after women, would there be more male objectification in the world?

Misogyny is cool and all, but if there was money to be made wouldn’t there be more male objectification?

I don’t believe we’ve been conditioned to only accept the female form, I think it’s just natural. Certainly throughout time women were subjugated and oppressed, but there is nothing stopping women from fully objectifying men today, and they still aren’t (for the most part) doing it.

I never saw a Magic Mike movie and, with any luck, I never will. But I found it hilarious when I found out there was more female nudity in a movie about male strippers than male nudity. Is that misogyny in film, or is that just what the audience wants. The audience is entirely female or gay male, the only straight guys there were dragged there by their girlfriends in hopes of getting some action from their horniness.

If Magic Mike was the male version of Showgirls and floppy dicks were swinging around left and right, would the movies have made more money or less? Why?

So is society saying no dicks, or is it the audience not wanting to see them?

In this capitalist society I think the disparity in pay between male & female adult performers & sex workers is an indication what we desire, as well as demand. Men & women are just different, and theres nothing wrong with that. But, for some reason, we're uncomfortable acknowledging it.

Men I've talked to on the subject admit that they will still have sex with a beautiful woman if she's mean, dumb, or they just don't like her. And, more maliciously, some will go so far as to convince a woman that they can't stand that they do like her as a means to get in her bed (then conveniently gjost her). Conversely, most women I'm acquainted with can be intensely physically attracted to a man but he opens his mouth and proves he's an idiot/mysogenist/rude and we dry up like Mojave desert. He might be pretty, but he can keep his turgid lap taffy to himself.

I do not need to desire male nudity, in the way men desire us, to feel equal & autonomous sexually, or feel comfortable with my own sexuality. Broadly speaking, we're wired differently, and there's nothing wrong with that. And yet, in our enlightened age men still get surprised when they learn what it was that completed the alchemist formula of physical-attraction/humor/kindness/safety that made us decide to take our clothes off with you. (I'm looking at you & your elk antlers @Lmizzler )

 

[Lmizzler]

In this capitalist society I think the disparity in pay between male & female adult performers & sex workers is an indication what we desire, as well as demand. Men & women are just different, and theres nothing wrong with that. But, for some reason, we're uncomfortable acknowledging it.

Men I've talked to on the subject admit that they will still have sex with a beautiful woman if she's mean, dumb, or they just don't like her. And, more maliciously, some will go so far as to convince a woman that they can't stand that they do like her as a means to get in her bed (then conveniently gjost her). Conversely, most women I'm acquainted with can be intensely physically attracted to a man but he opens his mouth and proves he's an idiot/mysogenist/rude and we dry up like Mojave desert. He might be pretty, but he can keep his turgid lap taffy to himself.

I do not need to desire male nudity, in the way men desire us, to feel equal & autonomous sexually, or feel comfortable with my own sexuality. Broadly speaking, we're wired differently, and there's nothing wrong with that. And yet, in our enlightened age men still get surprised when they learn what it was that completed the alchemist formula of physical-attraction/humor/kindness/safety that made us decide to take our clothes off with you. (I'm looking at you & your elk antlers @Lmizzler )

I'd mount that!

 

[hotwords229_A]

In this capitalist society I think the disparity in pay between male & female adult performers & sex workers is an indication what we desire, as well as demand. Men & women are just different, and theres nothing wrong with that. But, for some reason, we're uncomfortable acknowledging it.

Men I've talked to on the subject admit that they will still have sex with a beautiful woman if she's mean, dumb, or they just don't like her. And, more maliciously, some will go so far as to convince a woman that they can't stand that they do like her as a means to get in her bed (then conveniently gjost her). Conversely, most women I'm acquainted with can be intensely physically attracted to a man but he opens his mouth and proves he's an idiot/mysogenist/rude and we dry up like Mojave desert. He might be pretty, but he can keep his turgid lap taffy to himself.

I do not need to desire male nudity, in the way men desire us, to feel equal & autonomous sexually, or feel comfortable with my own sexuality. Broadly speaking, we're wired differently, and there's nothing wrong with that. And yet, in our enlightened age men still get surprised when they learn what it was that completed the alchemist formula of physical-attraction/humor/kindness/safety that made us decide to take our clothes off with you. (I'm looking at you & your elk antlers @Lmizzler )

Good point. I didn’t think of pornstar pay.
A lot of guys have to go gay-for-pay to get the money.

Women have no consideration for these poor male porn stars who just want to be objectified by women for money and not have to take one for the team. And they call us misogynists!
Sad.

 

[MarilynMonroeFan]

I love Men from Head to Toe....

https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME1BFIEO

 

[velona]

turgid lap taffy

I don’t really have anything to add at the moment, just thought this phrase deserved a specific call out

 

[MindYaBitness]

Good point. I didn’t think of pornstar pay.
A lot of guys have to go gay-for-pay to get the money.

Women have no consideration for these poor male porn stars who just want to be objectified by women for money and not have to take one for the team. And they call us misogynists!
Sad.

 

[Apisto42]

turgid lap taffy

These three words are golden.

 

[Endless_Night]

Surfers, firemen

Point^. There's always a market for themed beefcake.

Could it be that women like their male objectification presented in a different manner than men like theirs of women? Men so often like full nudity, whereas I generally prefer a glimpse, a tease, a fantasy of what might be.

Men I've talked to on the subject admit that they will still have sex with a beautiful woman if she's mean, dumb, or they just don't like her.

^^^

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I spent some time looking for images to post when the thread first started. It reminded me how very little I look at pictures. My radar is more poised towards men who might mesh with my kink-o-meter.

Even before sexual bent became my primary focus, pretty was not the dominating factor for attraction. Trite as it may seem, men just seem to be more visual creatures than women.

Don't get me wrong. I like pretty. I have pretty. Pretty is a lovely bonus. But pretty alone simply isn't enough to raise my pulse.

 

[Neanderthal247]

Being the sexiest man on LIT, I'm sick of these depraved women trying to objectify me. Ladies stop being thirsty, I'm taken already!!!!!!

 

[hotwords229_A]

Surfers, firemen

To each her own.

 

[MindYaBitness]

Being the sexiest man on LIT, I'm sick of these depraved women trying to objectify me. Ladies stop being thirsty, I'm taken already!!!!!!

Gosh, I said I was sorry!!!!

 

[cocokittysurprise]

So here’s a thought:

Are women objectified because “society says so” or because there is a market for the female body?

These notions don't exist in a vacuum, nor is it an either/or scenario. Society does not place an emphasis or inordinate value on a man's looks/youth/attractiveness in the same way that it does for women. We are told (from a very young age) that a woman's value is in her looks - that messaging, however, doesn't solely affect women. We see how boys/men ingest that messaging and the way in which it manifests.

In other words, if women lusted after men’s bodies as much as men lust after women, would there be more male objectification in the world?
Misogyny is cool and all, but if there was money to be made wouldn’t there be more male objectification?

Not necessarily; that assumes that the mechanisms for attraction and the application of how that attraction manifests would be the same. Plenty of women lust after men's bodies, many just aren't as outwardly egregious about conveying that lust. Again, this ties into how men and women are socialized, the puritanical nature of some countries (especially if you are talking about the founding of the US), and the overall sexualized framing that is placed upon women, even from a young age. Men don't have a "Madonna-Whore complex" equivalent.

I don’t believe we’ve been conditioned to only accept the female form, I think it’s just natural. Certainly throughout time women were subjugated and oppressed, but there is nothing stopping women from fully objectifying men today, and they still aren’t (for the most part) doing it.

What do you mean by "accept the female form?" And again, this assumes female sexual attraction manifests in the same way a man does. Also, women are still called every degrading name in the book if they express outwardly or without reservation that they enjoy sex as much as a man, or multiple partners. A man is a playboy; a woman is a whore/slut/etc. Again, these things don't exist in a vacuum.

I never saw a Magic Mike movie and, with any luck, I never will. But I found it hilarious when I found out there was more female nudity in a movie about male strippers than male nudity. Is that misogyny in film, or is that just what the audience wants. The audience is entirely female or gay male, the only straight guys there were dragged there by their girlfriends in hopes of getting some action from their horniness.

Found out from where? I actually saw the first two, and I can't recall any significant amount of female nudity in them, other than some bare boobs in a couple of scenes. Vulture actually did a breakdown of it for the first movie: https://www.vulture.com/2012/06/magic-mikes-nudity-in-graphs-and-charts.html?mid=nymag_press

If Magic Mike was the male version of Showgirls and floppy dicks were swinging around left and right, would the movies have made more money or less? Why?

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, yadda yadda. Trying to guess at what would have happened is an exercise in futility.

 

[MarilynMonroeFan]

A Love Letter To Men​

As someone who has immersed herself in the deep mystery of the Sacred Feminine and the Sacred Masculine, I’ve come to a place where I must stop and take a moment to give thanks.

Thanks to Men in particular.

To the Men in my life, and to Men in general. Thank you.

Many of you came forth with loving arms, tender hearts, and strong shoulders when I needed you most. You rose up to say, “I’m sorry” when my Soul needed to hear that more than life itself. You took accountability for hurts that you did not commit just to bring healing to my heart. You helped me shine my Feminine Power and responded to its beauty. I am forever grateful.

So I want to return the favour.

Because of your generosity and love, I am able to facilitate the Rise of the Sacred Feminine in others. I am able to play mid-wife to a massive transformation that is happening to Women of the Earth. And when Women change, Men must follow suit. I acknowledge that can’t be easy for you.

So I’m writing this Love Letter to say thanks. You may not need to hear it, but it’s nice to know a Woman out there sees you and recognizes your contribution, and honours your powerful gifts during this changing time.

My Confession​

I was mad at Men for a long time. I was taught that all Human Beings are Sacred. But I didn’t really believe it. I had been bamboozled into believing, like all of us had, that some Humans are less than others. That Women are less than Men. That there is an absence of Feminine Power.

I believed this. I fully believed I had no Power. So I gave all my Power over to you.

By doing that, I left a huge void that needed to be filled. Instead of filling it with self-love, I filled it with rage and blame. I blamed Men for being too powerful. I blamed Men for taking what they wanted. I blamed Men for having too much authority.

By focusing so intensely on what Men had or did, I didn’t notice the contribution that Women made to the imbalance of Power. In fact, I didn’t even realize that Women had Power. It took me years to realize that Women were not only powerful, but also formidable. And they were equally capable of harming Men.

I am sorry for harming you.

With my rage. With my victimhood. With my blame. With my persecution. With my helplessness. And my judgement. These have been my weapons of “bringing you down.” And I am so sorry for not recognizing my own Power in wielding them.


Today, I’ve reclaimed my Feminine Power and I can see clearly. I see that I have misused and rejected my Power. By not loving myself. Or protecting myself. Or honouring my own needs.

I did not recognize my own Sacredness. By missing my own inner beauty, I missed all the beauty of the Sacred Masculine.

And that robbed me of so much richness.

Your Masculine power, in its Sacred form, is magnificent!

It’s intoxicating.

It is strong, penetrating, protective and decisive.

It is focused, sexy, determined, committed, and illuminated.

It ignites the Sacred Feminine with its fire.

it adores and worships all the aspects of the Sacred Feminine as equal to its own.

It is awe-inspiring.

So, with a humble, awe-inspired heart, I write you this Love Letter.

 

[MarilynMonroeFan]

My Love Letter​

Dear Men,
I honour you.
I honour the Power within you.
I bow in reverence to your beauty.
To that angular, masculine beauty.
When your broad shoulders tense in preparation for action.
When your eyes narrow in that brilliant, single focus that blocks out all else.
When your joy can’t be contained in that expansive chest so it explodes out your arms with laughter.
When you do that “right thing” that sets your heart on fire, which of course, sets our hearts on fire.
When you encompass us in that protective circle that only your vision and arms can embrace.
When you sit with your thoughts until you radiate a stillness that takes our breath away.
When we break down, and you create that Space around us that only a Man can create.
When you discover the deep inner world of feelings and vulnerability and stand firmly in its mess.
When you lead with your Heart with ferocity and tenderness.
When you stand accountable for your mistakes and wrong-doings.
When you listen to others with that intense curiosity and compassion.
When you find your purpose and catapult this world to a better place.
These are the most beautiful qualities in the world.
This is sacredness in action.
This is you changing the world.
This is your part in the Rise of the Sacred Feminine.
And I see it every day.
Today, I see you.
I see you through the eyes of Love.
And I thank you.

 

[MarilynMonroeFan]

My Gratitude​

Like every Sacred Human, I stumble out of Love occasionally.

For those days when I don’t see you, or can’t see you, I ask for your forgiveness. And your patience.

For I will not be perfect in loving you. I will sometimes forget to see your brilliance. I will forget to remember my own.



But right now, while I stand in my own glorious Feminine Power, I can see the exquisite Masculine Power that resides in you. And I honour it. I welcome it.

I receive it.

For that is what the Sacred Feminine does. It receives. And welcomes. And loves.

I love you and I thank you.

 

[hotwords229_A]

What do you mean by "accept the female form?"

I should have said “admire”.

 

[hotwords229_A]

Vulture actually did a breakdown of it for the first movie:

“And the totals:

Bare Chests: 59
Bare Asses: 3
Bare Breasts: 4 (two each from Olivia Munn and Mircea Monroe)
Thongs: 14
Penis Pump Money Shots: 1
Shadow Money Shots: 1
Assless Chaps: 1 (McConaughey)
Marilyn Monroe dresses: 1 (Tatum)”

If Channing Tatum, or any of the big name stars, went full frontal and it was actually them (no prosthetic) would that make the movie more appealing or less?

 

[Endless_Night]

These notions don't exist in a vacuum, nor is it an either/or scenario. Society does not place an emphasis or inordinate value on a man's looks/youth/attractiveness in the same way that it does for women. We are told (from a very young age) that a woman's value is in her looks - that messaging, however, doesn't solely affect women. We see how boys/men ingest that messaging and the way in which it manifests.

Preach.

By focusing so intensely on what Men had or did, I didn’t notice the contribution that Women made to the imbalance of Power.

This. Every single day.