The Future is dense, vertical cities

[Wat_Tyler]

Racist!!!

 

[AceDesSpades]

Cyclist.

Fat-bottom-girl gym cycles will also provide power in the Trump-Microverse...

(Rick & Morty)

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Density is good, but living in a neighborhood of skyscrapers is not as nice as living in a neighborhood of lower buildings with shops on the ground floor.

 

[AceDesSpades]

Not skyscrapers.

One. Kilometers in diameter. Babylonic...

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Not skyscrapers.

One. Kilometers in diameter. Babylonic...

Living in one giant building seem like a really shitty way to live. What do you find so appealing about it?

 

[Wat_Tyler]

The ability to detect mocking sarcasm is weak in this one . . . .

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

The ability to detect mocking sarcasm is weak in this one . . . .

I know, but I keep hoping he’ll catch on.

 

[UltraChad]

Living in one giant building seem like a really shitty way to live.

Why would it be any shittier than one that was only 10 or just a few stories up? A concrete shoebox is a concrete shoebox. A couple min in an elevator is a couple min in the elevator. Most poor city slaves are already living like this.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Why would it be any shittier than one that was only 10 or just a few stories up? A concrete shoebox is a concrete shoebox. A couple min in an elevator is a couple min in the elevator. Most poor city slaves are already living like this.

Better a couple of minutes in an elevator than a couple of hours in traffic. Building cities around cars was a mistake. It’s much nicer being able to walk or bike anywhere you need to go.

 

[Bray123]

The future will be dense. The future will be orange.

 

[UltraChad]

Better a couple of minutes in an elevator than a couple of hours in traffic.

900 billion trillion % agree.

Building cities around cars was a mistake.

I think it's just a dated/limited concept.

Once a metro area reaches a certain population and density, 'critical mass' if you will, it clearly no longer works and the limitations become apparent. Happens in most if not every major metro around the planet regardless of culture or politics.

Below that threshold it's clearly a good system as it allowed/facilitated progress far beyond it's capability to support itself and in the end almost everywhere it's been done it's become a victim of it's own success. So I would be very cautious trying to pull the rug out from under that success, but new ideas on how to progress past those limitations is clearly needed.

It’s much nicer being able to walk or bike anywhere you need to go.

With regard to futuristic mega structures like those OP is talking about I'm fairly certain they would account for both the needs and conveniences of the people living in them. I suppose a more dystopian version wouldn't allow for any recreational space. But if we have the ability to build such a thing in the first place I don't see why some parks and rec space wouldn't be included unless you get space travel involved.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

900 billion trillion % agree.



I think it's just a dated/limited concept.

Once a metro area reaches a certain population and density, 'critical mass' if you will, it clearly no longer works and the limitations become apparent. Happens in most if not every major metro around the planet regardless of culture or politics.

Below that threshold it's clearly a good system as it allowed/facilitated progress far beyond it's capability to support itself and in the end almost everywhere it's been done it's become a victim of it's own success. So I would be very cautious trying to pull the rug out from under that success, but new ideas on how to progress past those limitations is clearly needed.



With regard to futuristic mega structures like those OP is talking about I'm fairly certain they would account for both the needs and conveniences of the people living in them. I suppose a more dystopian version wouldn't allow for any recreational space. But if we have the ability to build such a thing in the first place I don't see why some parks and rec space wouldn't be included unless you get space travel involved.

There are lots of walkable cities with public transit right now. There are no futuristic megastructures.

By shifting money away from subsidizing automobiles, we can build a better world for ourselves RIGHT NOW instead of fantasizing about science fiction utopias.

 

[Lazaran]

The future will be dense. The future will be orange.

The future is now…

 

[UltraChad]

There are lots of walkable cities with public transit right now. There are no futuristic megastructures.

I understand, but the thought experiment was about using megastructures to reduce the human footprint and maximize the population carrying capacity of the planet.

If you hadn't eaten dinner last night or anything for breakfast this morning how would you feel??

By shifting money away from subsidizing automobiles, we can build a better world for ourselves RIGHT NOW

How? and define "better" ?

instead of fantasizing about science fiction utopias.

Got to think of the future before you can build it.

Almost all of our modern communications and information access technology today was Star Trek TNG before it become what it is.

 

[Politruk]

energy will be created from sun and gravity.

Gravity?

 

[Politruk]

How? and define "better" ?

Define it in terms of the New Urbanism.

 

[Politruk]

The OP seems to be talking about arcologies.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I understand, but the thought experiment was about using megastructures to reduce the human footprint and maximize the population carrying capacity of the planet.

Arcologies solve no real-world problem. There is no shortage of land for building conventional cities. People who live in megastructures still have to be fed somehow.

Fantasizing about megastructures is a silly distraction from the need to build humane and sustainable infrastructure right now.

 

[UltraChad]

Define it in terms of the New Urbanism.

Or not, that sounds fuckin' retarded.

Arcologies solve no real-world problem. There is no shortage of land for building conventional cities. People who live in megastructures still have to be fed somehow.

Fantasizing about megastructures is a silly distraction from the need to build humane and sustainable infrastructure right now.

If you hadn't eaten today how would you feel??

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Or not, that sounds fuckin' retarded.



If you hadn't eaten today how would you feel??

Arcologies don't address the issue of feeding the human population of Earth.

Building trains and bike lanes may not sound cool to an edge-lord, but they actually do a good job of making people's lives better.

 

[UltraChad]

Arcologies don't address the issue of feeding the human population of Earth.

Building trains and bike lanes may not sound cool to an edge-lord, but they actually do a good job of making people's lives better.

I understand you don't want to engage in the thought experiment that the thread is about.

But if you hadn't eaten today, how would you feel??

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I understand you don't want to engage in the thought experiment that the thread is about.

But if you hadn't eaten today, how would you feel??

I am engaging. You just don't like what I'm saying. I'm telling you arcologies are a stupid fantasy.

 

[Politruk]

Or not, that sounds fuckin' retarded.

Living within walking distance of every place you need to go is not retarded. Living in a place where you can't go anywhere without a car is retarded.

If you hadn't eaten today how would you feel??

An arcology is not a good place to produce food.

 

[UltraChad]

Living within walking distance of every place you need to go is not retarded.

You can't, that's why it is.

Living in a place where you can't go anywhere without a car is retarded.

Actually it's smart, limits the riffraff one must deal with.

An arcology is not a good place to produce food.

Yea....your response is not shocking.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

You can't, that's why it is.



Actually it's smart, limits the riffraff one must deal with.

Yea....your response is not shocking.

I use my car once a week to buy groceries. If there were more protected bike lanes in LA I wouldn't need a car at all.

I walk and ride the train to get to work. I walk to run minor errands. Even in L.A. it's totally possible to live a car-free life.

It only seems scary to you because the automobile industry has conditioned you into learned helplessness. You passively accept being forced to drive everywhere, and react with hostility to the idea of changing the world so you don't need to.