The Future is dense, vertical cities

[Politruk]

You can't, that's why it is.

It is possible in a New Urbanist development.

 

[UltraChad]

I use my car once a week to buy groceries. If there were more protected bike lanes in LA I wouldn't need a car at all.

I walk and ride the train to get to work. I walk to run minor errands. Even in L.A. it's totally possible to live a car-free life.

Yes you the privileged elites can. The millions that make it possible for you to do so however? Gotta commute.

It only seems scary to you because the automobile industry has conditioned you into learned helplessness. You passively accept being forced to drive everywhere, and react with hostility to the idea of changing the world so you don't need to.

You couldn't be more incorrect about everything here. We only have an issue when people like you decided you're SO RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING you should just FORCE everyone to live how you think they should be living. Karens in power....that's what is actually scary.

But I understand as an Angelino you have a high level of smug and snobbery to uphold. I hope you keep it up there too, Vance/Rammyswammy 2028 are depending on it.

One last question, did you have to learn to like sniffing your own farts or did you naturally enjoy your own brand??

 

[bella_bunny]

Tbh I think it's going to be very ready player one but if IOI had actually won and not wade

 

[UltraChad]

It is possible in a New Urbanist development.

Then why don't you guys do it?

Better question, why the need to force others into it?

 

[Politruk]

Then why don't you guys do it?

Better question, why the need to force others into it?

Because the existence of automobile-dependent suburbs and strip malls is bad for the whole planet.

 

[UltraChad]

Because the existence of automobile-dependent suburbs and strip malls is bad for the whole planet.

The major metro shit holes are far worse than strip malls and minivans......

If we're going by that standard everyone but the hippie communes and subsistence homesteaders needs a good purging.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Yes you the privileged elites can. The millions that make it possible for you to do so however? Gotta commute.



You couldn't be more incorrect about everything here. We only have an issue when people like you decided you're SO RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING you should just FORCE everyone to live how you think they should be living. Karens in power....that's what is actually scary.

But I understand as an Angelino you have a high level of smug and snobbery to uphold. I hope you keep it up there too, Vance/Rammyswammy 2028 are depending on it.

One last question, did you have to learn to like sniffing your own farts or did you naturally enjoy your own brand??

You have it exactly backwards. Rich people don't ride the bus and take the train. As you say, us riff-raff do.

Middle-class people only can live in the suburbs because cars are so heavily subsidized by the government. If they had to pay the full cost of driving out of pocket, they'd choose cheaper alternatives.

That's what the new urbanism is all about--giving people cheaper alternatives to driving and rebuilding cities so people aren't forced to own cars to get around.

 

[Chernosoth]

The future is harvesting our own crap to use as fertilizer. The complications of keeping shitheaps in urban areas limit urban size and density.

 

[Lazaran]

Living in one giant building seem like a really shitty way to live. What do you find so appealing about it?

Let’s go the other way.

(A New community concept).

With so many single people, how about tiny all-in-one stand-alone apartments that are powered by personal ATV EVs and solar. (ATV EVs would largely eliminate the need for well maintained roads and would eventually create well trodden main commuter / supply paths by necessity - walking and biking would still be the main transport on well maintained paths when conditions allow.)

A “smart studio” apt with a compact water recycling laundry / bathroom combo (maybe a composting toilet) , compact kitchen, ultra efficient heating / / cooling (a tiny space would be easy), a couch / bed wall that transforms the living room into the bedroom simply by pulling down the wall Ike a Murphy Bed, super short run plumbing, no need for ductwork or base board heating, no interior doors, as the couch / bed wall separates the living / sleeping area from the compact bath / laundry and the compact kitchen at the back of the studio.

The small studio could even be off grid with the addition of a water reservoir / collection unit in certain locales. ((The availability of a water truck to replenish the reservoir during dry times would be needed - or a central hydrant supplied by a main reservoir, with a hose that reaches each unit in a tiny community - a central greenhouse / garden surrounding the hydrant / main reservoir would be a bonus).

Of course, these studios, etc, would all be mass produced via automated assembly lines in dedicated factories and transported via a specialized flatbed.that can offload or retrieve a studio unit as needed. (Special, heavy lift helicopters could do the job as well.)

I wonder what they could get the cost down to on a tiny standalone studio if they were mass produced on an automated assembly line.

 

[Politruk]

The major metro shit holes are far worse than strip malls and minivans......

You've got that backwards -- high-density living is more energy-efficient. X number of people have a smaller footprint there than they would in the 'burbs.

 

[siobhancan99]

There are lots of walkable cities with public transit right now. There are no futuristic megastructures.

By shifting money away from subsidizing automobiles, we can build a better world for ourselves RIGHT NOW instead of fantasizing about science fiction utopias.

This is really visibly true in Philadelphia. Philly is very neighborhood-oriented, with a lot of amenities in walking distance wherever you live, but also the ability to get between areas easily through public transit.

 

[Saint_Ann]

I'd rather live in a tent.

 

[Politruk]

This is really visibly true in Philadelphia. Philly is very neighborhood-oriented, with a lot of amenities in walking distance wherever you live, but also the ability to get between areas easily through public transit.

That's because the city was laid out and built before automobiles.

 

[AceDesSpades]

Living in one giant building seem like a really shitty way to live. What do you find so appealing about it?

It is a logical conclusion.

Don't think Hong Kong office space, think acres upon acres of mall, parks and communities just stacked vertically and not spread-out horizontally. Going to school, as an example, is not a matter of getting on a school buss, but getting into the lift and following the color-coded lights (tip-off to Ender's Game) to your destination and there can even be things like horizontal escalators (and delivery services) so that you don't have to walk, dive or haul...

And for those of you who love security, the entire walk will be on CCTV with the Po-Po watching over your child like a Guardian angel, a crime deterrent unto itself. Dark Alleys?

 

[AceDesSpades]

I'd rather live in a tent.

They'd get a camel.

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/igors-goat.1617370/

 

[AceDesSpades]

You have it exactly backwards. Rich people don't ride the bus and take the train. As you say, us riff-raff do.

Middle-class people only can live in the suburbs because cars are so heavily subsidized by the government. If they had to pay the full cost of driving out of pocket, they'd choose cheaper alternatives.

That's what the new urbanism is all about--giving people cheaper alternatives to driving and rebuilding cities so people aren't forced to own cars to get around.

I "Trumped" your version which is why I titled the thread in tribute.

 

[Politruk]

The one thing an arcology is good for is a test model for outer space habitats.

 

[Chernosoth]

Skyscrapers are phallic. They will be demolished.

 

[UltraChad]

You've got that backwards -- high-density living is more energy-efficient. X number of people have a smaller footprint there than they would in the 'burbs.

Not at all, the cities are the biggest polluters, by far.

I'm talking total damage not per capita.

 

[siobhancan99]

Not at all, the cities are the biggest polluters, by far.

I'm talking total damage not per capita.

per capita is the only way to analyze it. It doesn't matter that 100 square miles produces more pollution than a separate 1000 square miles if you could reduce the pollution produced by the 1000 square miles by condensing the population inside it.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

This is really visibly true in Philadelphia. Philly is very neighborhood-oriented, with a lot of amenities in walking distance wherever you live, but also the ability to get between areas easily through public transit.

It’s surprisingly true of LA as well. Most of LA was developed around train lines and the right-of ways still exist. It won’t take much to unwind 100 years of foolish investment in freeways and turn LA back into a transit-friendly city.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

It is a logical conclusion.

Don't think Hong Kong office space, think acres upon acres of mall, parks and communities just stacked vertically and not spread-out horizontally. Going to school, as an example, is not a matter of getting on a school buss, but getting into the lift and following the color-coded lights (tip-off to Ender's Game) to your destination and there can even be things like horizontal escalators (and delivery services) so that you don't have to walk, dive or haul...

And for those of you who love security, the entire walk will be on CCTV with the Po-Po watching over your child like a Guardian angel, a crime deterrent unto itself. Dark Alleys?

Your vision is more expensive to build than regular urban density and doesn’t offer any advantages.

 

[Politruk]

Not at all, the cities are the biggest polluters, by far.

I'm talking total damage not per capita.

Per capita is what matters.

 

[Chernosoth]

On the prairie, the future is less cities as ranching and freegrazing replace farming.

 

[Politruk]

On the prairie, the future is less cities as ranching and freegrazing replace farming.

Can't produce nearly as much food that way.