The Man Cave

[cowslinger64]

I'm in the mood for a margarita... I'll make more, unless its gay.



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[cowslinger64]

Brought my "harem" too..


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[IhateClowns]

I'm boycotting the Olympics until they bring back the Pankrateon, fought in the ancient form.

Something tells me if I google that a bukkake video will pop up.

 

[IhateClowns]

I'm in the mood for a margarita... I'll make more, unless its gay.



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I am drinking a Rolling Rock right now. As long as you don't drink it with your pinky out then all is good.

 

[cowslinger64]

I am drinking a Rolling Rock right now. As long as you don't drink it with your pinky out then all is good.

of course not...Im not uppity.



got them entertaining us..


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[IhateClowns]

of course not...Im not uppity.



got them entertaining us..


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You googled that event sickbastard was talking about didn't you.

 

[1sickbastard]

Something tells me if I google that a bukkake video will pop up.

It's basically cage-match fighting, no gouging the eyes or face is the only rule. Combatants fought naked in the Mediterranean sun. Fight continued with no rest or breaks until someone was unconscious.

 

[IhateClowns]

It's basically cage-match fighting, no gouging the eyes or face is the only rule. Combatants fought naked in the Mediterranean sun. Fight continued with no rest or breaks until someone was unconscious.

Ah ok. CS got the naked part right.

 

[1sickbastard]

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See, the Olympic need more events just like this!

 

[IhateClowns]

Cheers fellas

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Hope everyone has a great weekend. My wife has a gig at a casino in town tonight. I think I will be hitting it up

 

[IhateClowns]

Well Penn St got shit on and well deserved.

 

[cowslinger64]

Well Penn St got shit on and well deserved.

they totally slammed them.. which is well deserved IMO. They could have gotten the death penalty, so they should feel fortunate.

Joe Pa and the rest, I hope they have to answer for that stuff some day.




having said that....im thinkin cracker barrel..


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[Cymru6969]

they totally slammed them.. which is well deserved IMO. They could have gotten the death penalty, so they should feel fortunate.

Joe Pa and the rest, I hope they have to answer for that stuff some day.




having said that....im thinkin cracker barrel..


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A far as I understand it, they shirked their responsibility as human beings. To shelter the known perversities of an individual within their institution is a wrongdoing. Institutions mightier than theirs, take say...The Catholic Church, have encountered some difficulties as I recall...hmmm

 

[1sickbastard]

I know I'm gonna get slammed for this but here goes;

Maybe it's time to take the entertainment industry out of the serious business of education and remove sports from schools at all levels.

The professional sports industry can pay for it's own developmental leagues.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I know I'm gonna get slammed for this but here goes;

Maybe it's time to take the entertainment industry out of the serious business of education and remove sports from schools at all levels.

The professional sports industry can pay for it's own developmental leagues.

WHUT YOU SAY BOY??? This is M'erikuh....football is education!!

 

[ga400us]

I know I'm gonna get slammed for this but here goes;

Maybe it's time to take the entertainment industry out of the serious business of education and remove sports from schools at all levels.

The professional sports industry can pay for it's own developmental leagues.

I agree in part with you, but I don't think removing the sports from the schools is the answer. Entertainment and money have definitely ruined what used to be something valued at school, be High School or College. It is unfortunate that the monies earned by the revenue programs at the big schools are what support many of the non-revenue sports (especially women's sports programs). Something needs to be done, it is true, but I have problems with also punishing Student-Athletes in other programs. I don't have an answer, but I would support discussions on the subject matter.

 

[sunshinegirl05]

I know I'm gonna get slammed for this but here goes;

Maybe it's time to take the entertainment industry out of the serious business of education and remove sports from schools at all levels.

The professional sports industry can pay for it's own developmental leagues.

What about the kids that have only sports to keep them out of trouble? Not all kids like school and do well. At least with sports...they can have some reason to stay in school and at least try.

(not saying all systems are perfect for that....b/c there are always ways around them.)

 

[raiguy]

Hmm, I don't know if some agree with me, but I honestly think Penn State should have gotten the death penalty. Letting them off without it made it seem like this issue wasn't taken as seriously as it should have been. Let the trolling begin...

 

[ga400us]

Hmm, I don't know if some agree with me, but I honestly think Penn State should have gotten the death penalty. Letting them off without it made it seem like this issue wasn't taken as seriously as it should have been. Let the trolling begin...

Here's the issue I have with that, there are hundred's of student athletes at the school that will be negatively impacted by that action. They are completely innocent of any of the bullshit that Sandusky, Paterno and the rest of the officials are guilty of committing. Like it or not, football is a revenue sport and pays for the scholarships and programs for most (if not all) other non-revenue sports.

Regardless of what the NCAA has said, they have stomped all over the dreams and aspirations of all of the young men involved in the football program today. Yes they can transfer, but where? Another University must want them, and then the student still has to be accepted to the school and into the program. Where is the money coming from? Where is the opportunity provided to them?

And let's not forget that the $60 million fine, won't help the kids that have been abused. All the NCAA has done is display their heavy hand and destroy the future of many young men and women athletes in an effort to appear that they have done something good. And without that $60 million in the coffers to support the other programs, how will they suffer? Where is the money coming from to support those programs? Because of Title IX the women's programs can't be cut to save the men's, so which programs take the hit?

All that has happened is that more young people have been hurt and the ones that suffered the most and the first, get diddly-squat. It's a no win situation, everyone loses.

 

[1sickbastard]

What about the kids that have only sports to keep them out of trouble? Not all kids like school and do well. At least with sports...they can have some reason to stay in school and at least try.

(not saying all systems are perfect for that....b/c there are always ways around them.)

So tell me why those sports programs need to be attached to schools?

 

[sunshinegirl05]

So tell me why those sports programs need to be attached to schools?

If the sports programs were not attached to the schools, how many of those kids would actually be involved then? With practices being held after school, they do not need to leave school.

It gives the students incentive to do well in school. If the kids do not maintain certain grades, they cannot participate.

I know that those are only two reasons...and maybe you might find them weak arguments....but that's all I can come up with for now.




Bottom line........it is about making sure the kids stay in school.....pass....and graduate. If throwing sports into the mix.....to add more incentive so that happens....then why not do it?

 

[1sickbastard]

If the sports programs were not attached to the schools, how many of those kids would actually be involved then? With practices being held after school, they do not need to leave school.

It gives the students incentive to do well in school. If the kids do not maintain certain grades, they cannot participate.

I know that those are only two reasons...and maybe you might find them weak arguments....but that's all I can come up with for now.




Bottom line........it is about making sure the kids stay in school.....pass....and graduate. If throwing sports into the mix.....to add more incentive so that happens....then why not do it?

I disagree with the second point entirely. In my experience, school sports very often leads to the administration padding the grades of student athletes so they can maintain the team.

This also tends to occur in college also, with some rare exceptions. Notre Dame comes to mind, as well as the Gov't military academies (West Point, Annapolis, Air Force Academy) and some of the ivy-league schools.

In other words, the schools are not then teaching the student athletes, but functioning as junior-league recruiting platforms for professional sports. The worst point being this, the atheles and their families very willingly participate in the hopes of major-league carreers which very few attain.

Instead of sports, why not teach those same students marketable skills/trades and set them on work-study programs which would also occupy those at-risk students better, and earn them an income (small as that may be) to boot?

I'd also suggest that students that do poorly do so because they are not challenged to think for themselves, taught how how to be self-employeed, taught useful information (seriously, how useful was dissecting a frog or whatever, to your current employment?). Instead they get taught how to take a standardised test so the school in question won't lose funding...

IMHO, school sports, though they do have some positive functions, are more destructive to education than helpful.

In the end, in spite of the points made here, there really are no easy, pat answers.

 

[ga400us]

So tell me why those sports programs need to be attached to schools?

If the sports programs were not attached to the schools, how many of those kids would actually be involved then? With practices being held after school, they do not need to leave school.

It gives the students incentive to do well in school. If the kids do not maintain certain grades, they cannot participate.

I know that those are only two reasons...and maybe you might find them weak arguments....but that's all I can come up with for now.




Bottom line........it is about making sure the kids stay in school.....pass....and graduate. If throwing sports into the mix.....to add more incentive so that happens....then why not do it?

The conversations we have focused on have been regarding the big time division 1 FBS schools (where the money is). There are hundreds of smaller schools in division 1 FCS, Div II, Div III, NAIA, etc. that don't generate the revenue or in many cases, don't even have athletic scholarships (eg., none of the Ivy League schools offer athletic scholarships). Yet these schools still find funding to compete in some athletic events at some level.

Granted, athletics isn't for everyone and in a fair and balanced world band, speech and the chess clubs would get equal funding. There is a lot of good that 'can' come out of student-athletes competing in a sport with other institutions. Many, not all, but many of these students are at the top of their classes despite having the extra responsibilities of practice, games and travel to contend with. The extra pressure helps them prepare for the real world, and gives them the opportunity to not only accomplish something for themselves but for their school.

The problem has always been money. The good fathers at the University of Santa Clara thought they had the answer many decades ago and cut the football program. At that time they were at the top of the game, with the likes of Alabama, LSU, Auburn, USC, Notre Dame, etc. today. Santa Clara is a damn fine small school, no question. But Stanford, just down the road, that kept football is a larger and better funded institution than Santa Clara is today. Why? Football has brought in the revenue, directly or indirectly. That enabled other areas of the college to flourish and develop their own donation revenue stream (Nike founder, who also attended Oregon, has donated generously to both schools).

The bottom line can be debated for a long time, but until the University Presidents will agree to giving up the direct revenue sources and risk losing the soft revenue sources, I don't see any changes in the near future.

 

[1sickbastard]

The conversations we have focused on have been regarding the big time division 1 FBS schools (where the money is). There are hundreds of smaller schools in division 1 FCS, Div II, Div III, NAIA, etc. that don't generate the revenue or in many cases, don't even have athletic scholarships (eg., none of the Ivy League schools offer athletic scholarships). Yet these schools still find funding to compete in some athletic events at some level.

Granted, athletics isn't for everyone and in a fair and balanced world band, speech and the chess clubs would get equal funding. There is a lot of good that 'can' come out of student-athletes competing in a sport with other institutions. Many, not all, but many of these students are at the top of their classes despite having the extra responsibilities of practice, games and travel to contend with. The extra pressure helps them prepare for the real world, and gives them the opportunity to not only accomplish something for themselves but for their school.

The problem has always been money. The good fathers at the University of Santa Clara thought they had the answer many decades ago and cut the football program. At that time they were at the top of the game, with the likes of Alabama, LSU, Auburn, USC, Notre Dame, etc. today. Santa Clara is a damn fine small school, no question. But Stanford, just down the road, that kept football is a larger and better funded institution than Santa Clara is today. Why? Football has brought in the revenue, directly or indirectly. That enabled other areas of the college to flourish and develop their own donation revenue stream (Nike founder, who also attended Oregon, has donated generously to both schools).

The bottom line can be debated for a long time, but until the University Presidents will agree to giving up the direct revenue sources and risk losing the soft revenue sources, I don't see any changes in the near future.

Yep, it's all about the revenue stream.

 

[ga400us]

I disagree with the second point entirely. In my experience, school sports very often leads to the administration padding the grades of student athletes so they can maintain the team.

This also tends to occur in college also, with some rare exceptions. Notre Dame comes to mind, as well as the Gov't military academies (West Point, Annapolis, Air Force Academy) and some of the ivy-league schools.

In other words, the schools are not then teaching the student athletes, but functioning as junior-league recruiting platforms for professional sports. The worst point being this, the atheles and their families very willingly participate in the hopes of major-league carreers which very few attain.

Instead of sports, why not teach those same students marketable skills/trades and set them on work-study programs which would also occupy those at-risk students better, and earn them an income (small as that may be) to boot?

I'd also suggest that students that do poorly do so because they are not challenged to think for themselves, taught how how to be self-employeed, taught useful information (seriously, how useful was dissecting a frog or whatever, to your current employment?). Instead they get taught how to take a standardised test so the school in question won't lose funding...

IMHO, school sports, though they do have some positive functions, are more destructive to education than helpful.

In the end, in spite of the points made here, there really are no easy, pat answers.

You are absolutely right about one thing, too many kids attend only to get a stepping stone to the Pro's. I disagree with the hardship rule and think that the scholarships offered should be a 4 year/degree commitment (from both the school and the student-athlete)!