The moon

[HisArpy]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

“I had lunch with a friend yesterday” and “invisible, non-corporeal, magic-dissipating little people once lived UnderHill” are not claims that demand equal levels of evidence.

The second claim is protected by special pleading: it invents the rule that these beings are made of pure magic that vanishes completely on death specifically so that the total absence of physical remains becomes unsurprising. That exception is not independently supported; it exists only to shield the hypothesis from the evidence we would otherwise expect.

This also makes the claim unfalsifiable. Any lack of evidence is automatically explained away by the magic-dissipation rule, so nothing could ever count against it. Declaring both theories “equally viable” because neither has been disproven therefore confuses the absence of disproof with positive support—an argument from ignorance that shifts the burden of proof.

Folklore explanations of natural phenomena do not require this kind of evidentiary immunity. The magical version does, which is why the two positions are not on equal footing.

I didn't create the problem of dissipation, those who lived in the past did. So argue with them.

 

[HisArpy]

Did the rocket come out the other side?

I dunno, did you check your back teeth to see if it got lodged there?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Did the rocket come out the other side?

It’s going to impact in about 5 hours.

 

[ll74]

I dunno, did you check your back teeth to see if it got lodged there?

Zinger !

 

[TastySuckToy]

I didn't create the problem of dissipation, those who lived in the past did. So argue with them.

Anything proposed, claimed or asserted without evidence or reason, can be dismissed without evidence or reason.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Personally I think the whole narrative she posted is a bit short on physics and long on skipping the parts that make it seem like it makes sense when it obviously doesn't.

For example; those lighter atoms she said coalesced together and formed stars. What EXACTLY was it that made them begin to split atoms to emit light and heat? I ask because I'm not positive that gravity alone is enough to do it since there are planets, which aren't burning balls of fire, that went through the same "coalescing" process.

So, something seems a bit sparse in her explanation.

Stars are powered by nuclear fusion —combining lighter elements into heavier ones. Splitting atoms is nuclear fission which is a much less energetic process.

That’s why the H-bomb is more powerful than the A-bomb. Hydrogen bombs use a small atom bomb (the primary) to start a chain reaction in the larger “secondary” —usually lithium rather than hydrogen.

The first generation of stars in the universe fused hydrogen into helium and the other heavier elements. The fusion reactions ignited when gravitational attraction alone compressed their cores tightly enough to overcome the electrostatic forces keeping the hydrogen atoms apart.

This is all well-understood science. It doesn’t require wee fae folk dancing with imaginary dragons.

 

[Saint_Ann]

I wonder why they chose that spot?

 

[glamorilla]

You following any of this moon stuff? I think Musk, is it Musk, is gonna crash a rocket into the surface and listen carefully to see if the moon is a hollow spaceship or something? Or was that a movie,? Anyway, if it goes bong or boing, it's not what we thought it is/was.

that would actually be the coolest thing ever.

 

[Saint_Ann]

that would actually be the coolest thing ever.

You just never know how people would react to that kind of news.

 

[ll74]

You just never know how people would react to that kind of news.

When news is made up like that, typically the maga folks raise hell for their facts and the left makes fun of them for it.

 

[glamorilla]

You just never know how people would react to that kind of news.

I want it to give me super powers.

 

[Saint_Ann]

When news is made up like that, typically the maga folks raise hell for their facts and the left makes fun of them for it.

What news was made up?

 

[Saint_Ann]

I want it to give me super powers.

And I was thinking more along the lines of maybe I should go buy toilet paper.

 

[ll74]

What news was made up?

I'm assuming the hollow moon part.

Hard to keep up

 

[glamorilla]

What news was made up?

its actually a comic book story. the authority issues 8 through 12 from 1999 where you could party like its 1999 but unironically.

the moon was hollow and filled with alien bioweapons meant to wipe us out until the heroes saved the day.

 

[Saint_Ann]

I'm assuming the hollow moon part.

Hard to keep up

I don't think that was an actual news item. I think Elon was saying "hey, pull my finger.".

 

[ll74]

I don't think that was an actual news item. I think Elon was saying "hey, pull my finger.".

Right...it was your post.

 

[Saint_Ann]

its actually a comic book story. the authority issues 8 through 12 from 1999 where you could party like its 1999 but unironically.

the moon was hollow and filled with alien bioweapons meant to wipe us out until the heroes saved the day.

We were too poor growing up to afford comic books so I never caught the bug. We threw rocks at stuff and dreamed of being cowboys. But yeah. Good story.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Right...it was your post.

I made a post? You read my posts! I suddenly feel naked.

 

[ll74]

I made a post? You read my posts! I suddenly feel naked.

Of course

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

It kicked up a plume of dust as expected.

Nothing was learned about the Moon that we didn’t already know from NASA missions that crashed things into the Moon on purpose.

 

[HisArpy]

Anything proposed, claimed or asserted without evidence or reason, can be dismissed without evidence or reason.

Excepting human history is filled with the lore. Which is evidence of a kind that is admissible everywhere.

Your casual dismissal of it smacks more of disbelief than anything else. To the point that even if there were solid evidence you'd probably try to dismiss that too.

Because disbelief is as powerful as belief and neither are easily swayed by arguments from those whose faith is a polar opposite.

You choose to disbelieve merely because you choose to do so.

 

[HisArpy]

Stars are powered by nuclear fusion —combining lighter elements into heavier ones. Splitting atoms is nuclear fission which is a much less energetic process.

That’s why the H-bomb is more powerful than the A-bomb. Hydrogen bombs use a small atom bomb (the primary) to start a chain reaction in the larger “secondary” —usually lithium rather than hydrogen.

The first generation of stars in the universe fused hydrogen into helium and the other heavier elements. The fusion reactions ignited when gravitational attraction alone compressed their cores tightly enough to overcome the electrostatic forces keeping the hydrogen atoms apart.

This is all well-understood science. It doesn’t require wee fae folk dancing with imaginary dragons.

Great avoidance of the question. Which was;

explain the EXACT process which began that chain reaction.


Second, tell us how that matches any of the religious teachings of the origin of the universe, including that of your own religion.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Excepting human history is filled with the lore. Which is evidence of a kind that is admissible everywhere.

By that standard, you should be convinced Anakin Skywalker and his galaxy far far away are 'real'.

I'm a huge fan of that fictional universe. I'm just not gullible, which is what you're trying to argue for.

Your casual dismissal of it smacks more of disbelief than anything else. To the point that even if there were solid evidence you'd probably try to dismiss that too.

Because disbelief is as powerful as belief and neither are easily swayed by arguments from those whose faith is a polar opposite.

You choose to disbelieve merely because you choose to do so.

Get back to me when there's actual evidence.

I'm well aware humans can conjure up all kinds of fictional concepts, ideas and routinely interpret real evidence in absurd ways.

That's why it's the only rational response to demand evidence and reason for things.

"This was written down in a lot of places" is not convincing evidence for anything. There is multi decades of lore for things like Star Wars that millions, possibly billions know about. That doesn't change the fact it is pure fiction, and I will generously presume you don't believe Anakin Skywalker and The Force are real because you could acquire stacks of multimedia about the lore.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Great avoidance of the question. Which was;

explain the EXACT process which began that chain reaction.


Second, tell us how that matches any of the religious teachings of the origin of the universe, including that of your own religion.

The religious teachings are wrong about the origin of the universe.

Hydrogen atoms fuse when they’re smashed together fast enough. Too slow and electrostatic repulsion makes them bounce off each other.

Fusion bombs use inertial confinement. Their fission bomb primary heats up the lithium secondary so fast the lithium atoms don’t have time to ricochet away.

In a star, gravitational confinement keeps the hydrogen atoms tightly packed, when they bounce off each other they can’t go very far without hitting another tightly packed atom. With trillions of collisions per second, a few will succeed in triggering a fusion reaction, releasing energy.

More energy means faster-moving atoms in the star’s core which are more likely to fuse with neighboring atoms — a chain reaction.

Eventually the star settles into a steady state with a continuous fusion reaction at its core. (This is happening in our sun right now).

After millions of years the waste products of fusion, heavy elements, like carbon, oxygen, iron, and gold build up in the core.

Ultimately this triggers a supernova, destroying the star and dispersing these heavy elements, which billions of years later will coalesce through gravity into solid planets and living creatures like you and me.