The problem with men these days...

[rockcasbah]

So why the fuck would I bother?

Your words don't align with your actions.

 

[KimGordon67]

You can assume you know more than I do about my personal desires and sexual interests and rationalize my behavior any way you want. I don't care what you think. But why do you care what anyone else thinks about your appearance and behavior. And why are you here arguing that others can't dislike how you present yourself, which is really what you are doing. People can think what they want about you just like you can think you are a girl.

Honestly, I don't care what you want to be or what you do in private. Just stay out of the women's public bathroom, and stop trying make everyone care that you like to wear lingerie. Most people don't.

Most of the recent research on the increase in negative mental health outcomes for trans people correlate this with transphobic and cisnormative attitudes in society. So yeah, what you think, or more specifically, the words and actions that result from what you think, does make a difference.
(Citations not provided because I know from experience that no one would bother looking at them.)

 

[KimGordon67]

Your words don't align with your actions.

lol. 'Bothering' to provide an proper response to these argument would involve about 100x more words than I've written this morning. So, yeah, I really am not bothering.

 

[AlexBailey]

You can assume you know more than I do about my personal desires and sexual interests and rationalize my behavior any way you want. I don't care what you think. But why do you care what anyone else thinks about your appearance and behavior. And why are you here arguing that others can't dislike how you present yourself, which is really what you are doing. People can think what they want about you just like you can think you are a girl.

Honestly, I don't care what you want to be or what you do in private. Just stay out of the women's public bathroom, and stop trying make everyone care that you like to wear lingerie. Most people don't.

I read and I see conflict in your posts. I understand perfectly well how you can be bi-sexual but not be trans, what I don’t get is your intolerance to other people’s interests while you are crossing plenty of socially taboo lines yourself.

You have posted over and over again on several trans or queer related threads... you also say how you’re here to look at beautiful women. Either you are a trans bashing troll or you have other latent issues that you are having trouble reconciling. I may be being a bit of an arm-chair psychiatrist here but either way, you’ve got issues that you are taking out on other people.


I’m not saying everyone has to like feminine males — I’m saying they are people and a part of society that does not need permission to exist. I’m saying that femme males can be good husbands and parents and contribute to society. I’m also pointing out that anyone who bashes trans or queer people on line is an ass, if they bash them verbally they are guilty of assault, and if they bash them physically they are criminals.


Tell me again how I’m making assumptions about you:

I would love to suck a guy's cock while his wife watches and gets off on seeing me do it. I would love to have her join me in sucking him after I have plenty of time to enjoy his cock myself. We could both be working his cock as he cums or I would love to be eating her pussy as he takes my virgin ass.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Honestly, I don't care what you want to be or what you do in private. Just stay out of the women's public bathroom

bwahahaha

What are you gonna do if they don't? Gonna rush in there with Excalibur and try to save the virtue of some cis woman dropping a deuce in the third stall?

For a temporary noob who's basically a seasonal soft-serve bisexual per your sig line, you are coming with the weirdest flexes trying to crack on the members here.

hurr hurr hurr...I said "members."

https://media2.giphy.com/media/2dcLFwPDT46Goqm85S/giphy.gif

 

[Delawareguy]

Most of the recent research on the increase in negative mental health outcomes for trans people correlate this with transphobic and cisnormative attitudes in society. So yeah, what you think, or more specifically, the words and actions that result from what you think, does make a difference.
(Citations not provided because I know from experience that no one would bother looking at them.)

Of course there is "research" that will tell me that your/their mental health issue is my/everyone else's fault. It's not hard to believe that social norms are in direct conflict with someone who wants to be outside of the norm. Who would be surprised by that or feel it needs a research study to prove it's validity? But your research will not change how people are going to perceive you or cause them to be more receptive to the idea of having to deal with you, no matter how you want to label them or describe their attitudes. Even if you use psuedo-technical jargon when doing so.

And if you think or hope that that you, your said research, or anything else can change the "attitudes" of people, how exactly do you see that happening?

 

[Delawareguy]

bwahahaha

What are you gonna do if they don't? Gonna rush in there with Excalibur and try to save the virtue of some cis woman dropping a deuce in the third stall?

For a temporary noob who's basically a seasonal soft-serve bisexual per your sig line, you are coming with the weirdest flexes trying to crack on the members here.

hurr hurr hurr...I said "members."

https://media2.giphy.com/media/2dcLFwPDT46Goqm85S/giphy.gif

yawn.

 

[Delawareguy]

I read and I see conflict in your posts. I understand perfectly well how you can be bi-sexual but not be trans, what I don’t get is your intolerance to other people’s interests while you are crossing plenty of socially taboo lines yourself.

You have posted over and over again on several trans or queer related threads... you also say how you’re here to look at beautiful women. Either you are a trans bashing troll or you have other latent issues that you are having trouble reconciling. I may be being a bit of an arm-chair psychiatrist here but either way, you’ve got issues that you are taking out on other people.


I’m not saying everyone has to like feminine males — I’m saying they are people and a part of society that does not need permission to exist. I’m saying that femme males can be good husbands and parents and contribute to society. I’m also pointing out that anyone who bashes trans or queer people on line is an ass, if they bash them verbally they are guilty of assault, and if they bash them physically they are criminals.


Tell me again how I’m making assumptions about you:

I have no interest in being a woman, dressing like a woman, acting like a woman or having people think of me as a woman. That does not conflict with what I have posted here.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

yawn.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/a704a5ea28d2697fe4b2a64c1c215285/tenor.gif?itemid=11099139

well, that was predictable.

Keep looking for that chode of destiny to practice lollipop licking on, Del...there's lots of open couples here wanting to mix it up with seasoned gents, maybe you can charm your way into someone willing to share their bed and dong with that scintillating attitude of yours!

 

[KimGordon67]

Of course there is "research" that will tell me that your/their mental health issue is my/everyone else's fault. It's not hard to believe that social norms are in direct conflict with someone who wants to be outside of the norm. Who would be surprised by that or feel it needs a research study to prove it's validity? But your research will not change how people are going to perceive you or cause them to be more receptive to the idea of having to deal with you, no matter how you want to label them or describe their attitudes. Even if you use psuedo-technical jargon when doing so.

And if you think or hope that that you, your said research, or anything else can change the "attitudes" of people, how exactly do you see that happening?

When exactly did I say that I thought research could change people's attitudes?

In fact, your whole post actually suggests that you completely missed the point I was making, which was clearly a response to your suggestions that the attitudes of others towards trans folk 'don't matter'. So, just to reiterate that point, they do matter because research (not your out-dated opinion) demonstrates that these attitudes are linked to negative mental health outcomes for trans people.

(Also, it's cute that you think referring to my use of actually relevant language as 'pseudo-technical jargon' will put me in my place.)

 

[Delawareguy]

When exactly did I say that I thought research could change people's attitudes?

If not, then why did you mention the research?

In fact, your whole post actually suggests that you completely missed the point I was making, which was clearly a response to your suggestions that the attitudes of others towards trans folk 'don't matter'. So, just to reiterate that point, they do matter because research (not your out-dated opinion) demonstrates that these attitudes are linked to negative mental health outcomes for trans people.

They might matter to "trans folk", and I even said that it didn't require research to find that out. But it's not going to matter enough to anyone who isn't "trans folk" to counter their natural instinct to not want to have to accept it and to react negatively.

You have several arguments going in this thread. WHY? What is the core point you want to make?

 

[KimGordon67]

When exactly did I say that I thought research could change people's attitudes?

If not, then why did you mention the research?

In fact, your whole post actually suggests that you completely missed the point I was making, which was clearly a response to your suggestions that the attitudes of others towards trans folk 'don't matter'. So, just to reiterate that point, they do matter because research (not your out-dated opinion) demonstrates that these attitudes are linked to negative mental health outcomes for trans people. I'm not going to reiterate this point - if you don't get it on the third go, you're obviously just being obtuse for the sake of it. Or you have reading comprehension issues.

They might matter to "trans folk", and I even said that it didn't require research to find that out. But it's not going to matter enough to anyone who isn't "trans folk" to counter their natural instinct to not want to have to accept it and to react negatively.

You have several arguments going in this thread. WHY? What is the core point you want to make?

I mentioned the research because it directly responded to your point about why social attitudes towards trans people matter. They matter because they can result in negative mental health outcomes for a sector of the population. Ideally, we should all be concerned about that, although I'm not stupid enough to think that will actually be the result ... I was really just responding to your 'why does what other people think about you' (directed at another poster) question. I'm not going to reiterate that point - if you don't get it on the third go, you're either being obtuse or have reading comprehension issues - if it's the latter, I apologise for being insensitive.

Also, transphobia is not a 'natural instinct'. It might be particularly prevalent amonst the old white dudes you hang out with, but that doesn't make it 'natural'. Just like biphobia (which obviously SHOULD concern you) isn't 'natural'.

 

[Dribble]

I apologize. I did have him confused with others who support him who have multiple tens of thousands of posts but......876 is nearly 6 times 147, so my point still stands. Your use of a divisor is questionable and unnecessary.

No it isn't. It adjusts the number of posts to a common unit...one month. I see math isn't your forte either. What is? So far you are batting a goose egg.

 

[juttjaw]

The old "I'm the smartest person I know" shtick.
Dudes in over his head.

 

[KimGordon67]

The old "I'm the smartest person I know" shtick.
Dudes in over his head.

Is this actually the guy who used to be Coach?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Is this actually the guy who used to be Coach?

https://media1.giphy.com/media/l4JyV7BNSkzeTDG4E/source.gif

get out...man, the times really have flown by...

 

[KimGordon67]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/l4JyV7BNSkzeTDG4E/source.gif

get out...man, the times really have flown by...

LOL ... I was kind of joking, but Coach did have an inability to understand maths, and was also an old white guy who thought he knew better than everyone else. I guess if this dude threatens to break my arm at some point, we'll know for sure.

 

[UKgreyas]

Society is feminizing you and your sons. It is leading to women being in the initiators in 80% of divorces. This is taken from something I discovered in cruising YouTube last night and I thought it was interesting.

How is this happening?

1. Public schools have over corrected and now are too focused on building female leaders. STEM is leaving boys behind. Most teachers are women, teaching in a style that favors girls. Rowdy boys are told to calm down, etc.
2. Toxic feminism is forcing men to retreat into corners and shut up or be cancelled.
3. Hollywood depicts men as bumbling idiots. Not enough Fonzies and too many Raymonds.
4. Soy, GMOs, elevated hormonal birthcontrol levels (environmental factors) in city water could actually be changing men's biology

What do you think of this?

I am struggling with this in my marriage and I'm concerned about the kind of men that will even be available for my daughters when they are older.

It all depends really on if you allow this shit to happen in your own personal situation (men not ladies).

Personally, if I don't ravage and beast like a Viking with no mercy. then I feel like have done myself an injustice.

However.. I do believe the thread title should possibly NOT be "what is the problem with men these days."
Men were deemed a 'problem' before things changed... so the change is not their fault really. Much of society made this happen.

The male of the species has become what it has due to the demands of others.

Be careful what you (not personally you) wish for in this world (as the adage / saying goes).


Now I am going out to plunder...... be safe everyone

 

[rockcasbah]

Traits traditionally viewed as masculine in Western society include strength, courage, independence, leadership, and assertiveness.

~wikipedia

Has any of that changed?

 

[stickygirl]

Traits traditionally viewed ( by men ) as masculine in Western society include strength, courage, independence, leadership, and assertiveness.
~wikipedia

Has any of that changed?

Nope - that about summarises it ( with my clarification )

...but going to your source is enlightening

"Masculinity (also called manhood or manliness) is a set of attributes, behaviors, and roles associated with boys and men. Although masculinity is socially constructed,[1] research indicates that some behaviors considered masculine are biologically influenced.[1][2][3][4] To what extent masculinity is biologically or socially influenced is subject to debate.[2][3][4] It is distinct from the definition of the biological male sex,[5][6] as both males and females can exhibit masculine traits.[7]

 

[CornusKousa]

Nope - that about summarises it ( with my clarification )

...but going to your source is enlightening

"Masculinity (also called manhood or manliness) is a set of attributes, behaviors, and roles associated with boys and men. Although masculinity is socially constructed,[1] research indicates that some behaviors considered masculine are biologically influenced.[1][2][3][4] To what extent masculinity is biologically or socially influenced is subject to debate.[2][3][4] It is distinct from the definition of the biological male sex,[5][6] as both males and females can exhibit masculine traits.[7]

It's wiki....of course the biology deniers have hit it.

 

[stickygirl]

It's wiki....of course the biology deniers have hit it.

It sucks when evidence doesn't match your heart felt beliefs.
Take the day off the internet - get some air, treat yourself to a bourbon or something - anything. I promise you'll feel better.

 

[rockcasbah]

Nope - that about summarises it ( with my clarification )

...but going to your source is enlightening

"Masculinity (also called manhood or manliness) is a set of attributes, behaviors, and roles associated with boys and men. Although masculinity is socially constructed,[1] research indicates that some behaviors considered masculine are biologically influenced.[1][2][3][4] To what extent masculinity is biologically or socially influenced is subject to debate.[2][3][4] It is distinct from the definition of the biological male sex,[5][6] as both males and females can exhibit masculine traits.[7]

Like most things behavioral, it’s a blend of learned and inhereted.

That’s why there’s gaydar.

 

[stickygirl]

Like most things behavioral, it’s a blend of learned and inhereted.

That’s why there’s gaydar.

https://attitude.co.uk/media/images/2017/03/Gaydar2_vUBYjE6.gif

so analogue, so gay

 

[rockcasbah]

The first bit is true.

The second was for you.