The problem with men these days...

[missyunderstanding]

I agree.

Society is feminizing you and your sons. It is leading to women being in the initiators in 80% of divorces. This is taken from something I discovered in cruising YouTube last night and I thought it was interesting.

How is this happening?

1. Public schools have over corrected and now are too focused on building female leaders. STEM is leaving boys behind. Most teachers are women, teaching in a style that favors girls. Rowdy boys are told to calm down, etc.
2. Toxic feminism is forcing men to retreat into corners and shut up or be cancelled.
3. Hollywood depicts men as bumbling idiots. Not enough Fonzies and too many Raymonds.
4. Soy, GMOs, elevated hormonal birthcontrol levels (environmental factors) in city water could actually be changing men's biology

What do you think of this?

I am struggling with this in my marriage and I'm concerned about the kind of men that will even be available for my daughters when they are older.

I have note this decline in masculinity. It is a disgusting perversion of nature taking place right before our eyes. Thank you for highlighting this problem. This is not an accident. There is an effort to emasculate men and it has worked. Makes me sick to see it.

 

[AlexBailey]

I have note this decline in masculinity. It is a disgusting perversion of nature taking place right before our eyes. Thank you for highlighting this problem. This is not an accident. There is an effort to emasculate men and it has worked. Makes me sick to see it.

Lol. Why?

What bothers you about it?



To quote a troll:

Hate is negative energy.

Selfishness is negative energy.

Lying is negative energy.

Anything that generates harm or pain and suffering is negative energy.

Of course I am talking about social energy and not physical energy.

Positive energy is fucking.

(BTW, I grew up in a world where society around me and my parents were not supportive of my femininity.)

 

[rockcasbah]

Who benefits from wholesale androgyny?

 

[missyunderstanding]

No I don't think you woke up this morning.

Did I wake up in the 1970's this morning?

Nope. Probably still sound asleep.

 

[rockcasbah]

'Deviants' are part of society and have been in cultures throughout history. Some cultures have embraced them and even held third gender identities as sacred.

Why are some people, especially anyone who claims to love personal freedoms, so upset by social 'deviants'?

I think non normative behaviors are generally viewed as suspect by most cultures, aren’t they?

 

[stickygirl]

Who benefits from wholesale androgyny?

Androgyny wholesalers of course. Direct male is booming in lockdown

 

[rockcasbah]

Androgyny wholesalers of course. Direct male is booming in lockdown

Ha ha.... no really, who benefits from blurring gender lines?

 

[CornusKousa]

Yeah? No.


Since the word 'gender' refers to characteristics it is fluid, just as characteristics may be typical but are not directly determined by biology.

Sorry Alex, biology is real, and it shit's all over social constructionist view of gender.

hard science > social/behavioral theorist.

From The American Psychiatric Association:

Yes I know a large number of medical associations are ruled by the same politics as the DNC.

They're still wrong because biology.

So your market based solution is going to have the effect you want on your kid.

Damn straight.

Meanwhile society as a whole will continue to reflect the sentiments of everyone else.

Fortunately the USA is 'We the People...' not BotBoy the soverign.

Then they will SUFFER their own stupidity in spades....and my kids will be fuckin' laughing as you all line up to hand them your money.

Shit you already are.... LOL shop Amazon!!!

 

[bestone4ever]

and my kids will be fuckin' laughing as you all line up to hand them your money.

You don't have kids, liar.

 

[AlexBailey]

Sorry Alex, biology is real, and it shit's all over social constructionist view of gender.

hard science > social/behavioral theorist.

Lol. I’m not denying biology. I’m pointing out that the word ‘gender’ does not equate to biology.



It’s funny how libertarians’ solutions are individual but their complaints are social. The problem that you have with society and democracy is that the majority of people don’t agree with you and don’t share your values. Tough shit fella.

Why are you upset by feminized males? Too much freedom?

 

[nowisthetime]

Society is feminizing you and your sons. It is leading to women being in the initiators in 80% of divorces. This is taken from something I discovered in cruising YouTube last night and I thought it was interesting.

How is this happening?

1. Public schools have over corrected and now are too focused on building female leaders. STEM is leaving boys behind. Most teachers are women, teaching in a style that favors girls. Rowdy boys are told to calm down, etc.
2. Toxic feminism is forcing men to retreat into corners and shut up or be cancelled.
3. Hollywood depicts men as bumbling idiots. Not enough Fonzies and too many Raymonds.
4. Soy, GMOs, elevated hormonal birthcontrol levels (environmental factors) in city water could actually be changing men's biology

What do you think of this?

I am struggling with this in my marriage and I'm concerned about the kind of men that will even be available for my daughters when they are older.

I've also noticed all of the above, especially the first one. I believe men and women, in general, are different. Boys are naturally very active, and now public schools have mostly cut out recess and so much physical activity (pre-pandemic). Psychiatrists also make $$$ over-medicating these young boys when drugs aren't even needed, just fresh exercise and a healthy diet. Public schools are leaving boys behind and it's alarming. For some reason, no one is talking about this issue. Why? It's unPC to admit, but we are really shortchanging our boys in this western society. There's ways to uplift girls without downgrading boys.

Another thing about STEM, wavering off topic a bit, if one is not interested, don't force it! Not everyone is meant to go into STEM, there's also the false notion that STEM jobs are high paying, not always the case. Some people are more inclined towards the arts, history, music, healthcare, education, law, business, etc. Hell, not every kid wants to go to college, rather tinkering with machines, electronics, etc, but sadly, funding to vocational/trade schools have been cut.

So many women complain about "weak,bitchmade" men, but let's take a look at the current society today, a man asserts himself and he's deemed "toxic" by some factions. It's ridiculous.


There are many of us who still love real men out here, there are still quite a few of them around. Then again, I was raised by a strong man, and not a punk, so I know what to look at for...

 

[rockcasbah]

Turns out the male training organizations i belonged to as a boy ( cubs, scouts ) were later revealed to be buggery parties in disguise, and the catholic boys had it even worse, so maybe women should be training boys to be men.

 

[KimGordon67]

You very clearly rejected the idea that these things have defining features....rejecting traits of masculinity as even existing.

Care to clarify and provide a list of masculine characteristics???



Gender is not a social construct...biology is real science, social constructionism is junk pseudo science.

No, I didn't. I rejected the idea that every single one of the features that commonly describe contemporary 'masculinity' are deemed toxic by the left, or whatever it was that you referred to this amorphous group as. (I can only assume you are only reading every third word of what other people write?)

I'm taking your linking of 'non-socially constructed gender' and 'biology' above as an indication that you think gender is biological. That's actually sex - all the biological things you're ascribing the term 'gender' too are, largely, sex. Gender is socially constructed - that's why it's different across historical periods and between cultures. It's a pretty classic mistake to confuse the two. Maybe read a book?

 

[rockcasbah]

I like the ones with oem vaginas.

 

[Rockymtnman]

I've also noticed all of the above, especially the first one. I believe men and women, in general, are different. Boys are naturally very active, and now public schools have mostly cut out recess and so much physical activity (pre-pandemic). Psychiatrists also make $$$ over-medicating these young boys when drugs aren't even needed, just fresh exercise and a healthy diet. Public schools are leaving boys behind and it's alarming. For some reason, no one is talking about this issue. Why? It's unPC to admit, but we are really shortchanging our boys in this western society. There's ways to uplift girls without downgrading boys.

Another thing about STEM, wavering off topic a bit, if one is not interested, don't force it! Not everyone is meant to go into STEM, there's also the false notion that STEM jobs are high paying, not always the case. Some people are more inclined towards the arts, history, music, healthcare, education, law, business, etc. Hell, not every kid wants to go to college, rather tinkering with machines, electronics, etc, but sadly, funding to vocational/trade schools have been cut.

So many women complain about "weak,bitchmade" men, but let's take a look at the current society today, a man asserts himself and he's deemed "toxic" by some factions. It's ridiculous.


There are many of us who still love real men out here, there are still quite a few of them around. Then again, I was raised by a strong man, and not a punk, so I know what to look at for...

Oh boy. More anecdotal evidence from a half-wit. How about you show some facts? Anything to support any of these claims. I know facts give you mental midgets fits and you end up just lying anyway but please try. I can’t wait to see your evidence.

 

[Imupforitbaby69]

Society is feminizing you and your sons. It is leading to women being in the initiators in 80% of divorces. This is taken from something I discovered in cruising YouTube last night and I thought it was interesting.

How is this happening?

1. Public schools have over corrected and now are too focused on building female leaders. STEM is leaving boys behind. Most teachers are women, teaching in a style that favors girls. Rowdy boys are told to calm down, etc.
2. Toxic feminism is forcing men to retreat into corners and shut up or be cancelled.
3. Hollywood depicts men as bumbling idiots. Not enough Fonzies and too many Raymonds.
4. Soy, GMOs, elevated hormonal birthcontrol levels (environmental factors) in city water could actually be changing men's biology

What do you think of this?

I am struggling with this in my marriage and I'm concerned about the kind of men that will even be available for my daughters when they are older.

Agreed. Gone the other way completely. You'd think misogyny would have taught women to get the balance right.

 

[CornusKousa]

Oh boy. More anecdotal evidence from a half-wit. How about you show some facts? Anything to support any of these claims. I know facts give you mental midgets fits and you end up just lying anyway but please try. I can’t wait to see your evidence.

You want evidence that men and women are different?

LOL...look around bud.

 

[CornusKousa]

No, I didn't. I rejected the idea that every single one of the features that commonly describe contemporary 'masculinity' are deemed toxic by the left, or whatever it was that you referred to this amorphous group as.

Ahhhhh....so you're just pretending "toxic masculinity" isn't a term used to describe the more combative/risk taking side to masculinity??

That's funny. A simple google search of "toxic masculinity" will show your literally MILLIONS of blogs, books and video clips of SJW lefties telling people those traits are "toxic masculinty".

It's not amorphous, I gave you the defining characteristic of the left...equity seeking.

(I can only assume you are only reading every third word of what other people write?)

No, I just haven't been socially isolated under a rock for the last 10 years.

I'm taking your linking of 'non-socially constructed gender' and 'biology' above as an indication that you think gender is biological.

Yes, because science.

That's actually sex - all the biological things you're ascribing the term 'gender' too are, largely, sex.

Gender is socially constructed -

A not so insignificant number of biologist of multiple disciplines, say otherwise. I already linked you to one of the earlier studies by Dr. Debera Soh and her associates. There have been more if you care to read up on the hard science side of things.

They argue, rather convincingly that brain structure and chemistry play a critical role in gender.

that's why it's different across historical periods and between cultures. It's a pretty classic mistake to confuse the two.

I'm not confusing the two, with hard sciences disagreeing with the politically correct social constructionist narrative...... I'm just not convinced they are actually separate things. I don't think you can remove nature from the nurture just by saying so.

Maybe read a book?

Any suggestions? Preferably NOT written by a sociologist, psychologist or professional feminist???

 

[AlexBailey]

ESD? Environmental Sex Determinism.

https://onekindplanet.org/animal-biology/can-animals-change-their-sex/



From the article:

"It is not clear why ESD evolved. Scientists have put forward several theories such as that it minimises inbreeding or is the ancestral condition [2]. However, there is a lack of scientific evidence for both these theories."



"Does genetics always determine sex?
No! Many creatures have “environmental sex determinism’ (ESD), meaning environmental factors, such as temperature, pH or nutrient availability, determine their sex. Within vertebrates, ESD is only present in some reptiles such as turtles and crocodilians, and it is temperature-dependent."





It's interesting that China is having such a phenomenon of feminization while they have an such a high m/f imbalance.

 

[CornusKousa]

ESD? Environmental Sex Determinism.

https://onekindplanet.org/animal-biology/can-animals-change-their-sex/



From the article:

"It is not clear why ESD evolved. Scientists have put forward several theories such as that it minimises inbreeding or is the ancestral condition [2]. However, there is a lack of scientific evidence for both these theories."



"Does genetics always determine sex?
No! Many creatures have “environmental sex determinism’ (ESD), meaning environmental factors, such as temperature, pH or nutrient availability, determine their sex. Within vertebrates, ESD is only present in some reptiles such as turtles and crocodilians, and it is temperature-dependent."





It's interesting that China is having such a phenomenon of feminization while they have an such a high m/f imbalance.

Clownfish do it, but theirs is socially determined. The female is the large/dominant fish of the school.

A large female A. ocellaris out front protecting her boys and her what appears to be E. quadricolor anemone home.
https://www.buildyouraquarium.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/types-of-clownfish.jpg

If she dies? The boys fight, whoever comes out dominant that week? Becomes the new boss bitch.

They don't ever revert back to males though, it's a one time permanent thing for them.

 

[Delawareguy]

I think all the sex vocabulary gymnastics are a social construct devised by deviants in an effort to create a social norm for themselves.

Agreed

 

[Delawareguy]

Lol. Why?

What bothers you about it?



To quote a troll:




(BTW, I grew up in a world where society around me and my parents were not supportive of my femininity.)

Your only problem is that no one cares about you or your deviancy. No one wants to have to deal with it, or you. Except the very few who would be compatible to your deviance.

And judging by your posts, I am pretty sure most people find you to be a general pain in the ass, even before factoring in your gender issues. No wonder, judging by your incredibly numerous posts, this site must be the entirety of your social life.

 

[Dribble]

No wonder, judging by your incredibly numerous posts, this site must be the entirety of your social life.

Math time...

876/18= 48.667

147/1 = 147

Fail

 

[KimGordon67]

Ahhhhh....so you're just pretending "toxic masculinity" isn't a term used to describe the more combative/risk taking side to masculinity??

That's funny. A simple google search of "toxic masculinity" will show your literally MILLIONS of blogs, books and video clips of SJW lefties telling people those traits are "toxic masculinty".

It's not amorphous, I gave you the defining characteristic of the left...equity seeking.



No, I just haven't been socially isolated under a rock for the last 10 years.



Yes, because science.



A not so insignificant number of biologist of multiple disciplines, say otherwise. I already linked you to one of the earlier studies by Dr. Debera Soh and her associates. There have been more if you care to read up on the hard science side of things.

They argue, rather convincingly that brain structure and chemistry play a critical role in gender.



I'm not confusing the two, with hard sciences disagreeing with the politically correct social constructionist narrative...... I'm just not convinced they are actually separate things. I don't think you can remove nature from the nurture just by saying so.



Any suggestions? Preferably NOT written by a sociologist, psychologist or professional feminist???

If you haven't been living under a rock for the last ten years, you'll be familiar with the oft-repeated fact that the phrase 'toxic masculinity " refers to the versions of masculinity that ate toxic. Not all masculinity. Much as 'magic mushrooms 'doesn't imply that all mushrooms are magic.

You've completely missed the fact that gender is different between cultures and across time, so I can't be bothered with the rest of your 'argument'

 

[Rockymtnman]

You want evidence that men and women are different?

LOL...look around bud.

Jesus you’re an idiot. Read the post again. I know women and men are different, I also agree that regardless of sex change or hormone therapy, genetically you’re still what you were born as.

I was asking for proof that girls are being treated better in stem or any other school to the detriment of males, or that males in the US are being feminized by a radical left cabal of man hating women. Or that the water is full of estrogen turning dudes more feminine.