The reality of happy ending massage parlours (from someone who's worked in one)

[JenniZinc]

so, I have never had a massage before. Is the couples one the two of you in the same room, different beds? Was there a towel over your butts, or was it fully nudity. I assume there was no happy ending.

We did offer couples massage, but strictly 2 masseuses. Some venues offer one masseuse for a couple but that would be a nightmare to offer. Couples had to be male and female or female and female (which never happened, anyway). Couples massages always ended with the male being ejaculated, but for whatever reason female's rarely asked for this. I think they were more interested in watching.
Another interesting point, I was often called on to do couples massage with another male masseur. In almost all cases I would massage the female. It seems to be a common fantasy!

 

[JenniZinc]

FAQ (summary from PM's received) - Was it awkward if I bumped into clients out in the street?

The most awkward thing for me was not being able to recognise clients. I'm not good with faces at the best of times, let alone from a dark room.

But yes, even in a big city like Melbourne it did happen every now and then, and often the client was with their wife. In these situations my advice is always to look straight through me - trust me I'm not offended.

But human nature being what it is, the client will normally say hi or similar (we don't all say G'day in Australia ) to which my response would always be 'sorry, I don't think I know you!'

This isn't being rude, it's simply giving the client to get off the hook and say that they thought it was someone they's met at work or somewhere else. If I said hi back, all that would happen would be the wife wondering who the hell I am and asking. Men aren't the best of liars, and will blurt out something that can, and often will be checked if the wife is suspicious.

Okay, there's a slim possibility that the wife is actually cool with the husband visiting a parlour, or worse still (for me) she knows the husband goes for a massage but believes the venue is legit. I have had wives of clients book appointments with me, which as I've said before is usually an exercise in earning less money.

 

[RoperTrace]

Although my partner (allegedly) doesn't receive happy endings anymore, he says the best he ever had was from a women in Thailand that would have been in her 70's. He said that was why he chose her, he just knew anyone still working at that age was there for a reason. I finished at 42, and was getting very self conscious sitting next to the young & hotties, it can be quite demoralising!

For some reason, I love watching porn with the grannies or moms at your finishing age, or older doing the tugging. The more ordinary looking the better. I've never visited a massage parlor but wouldn't rule it out.

 

[Tayloroc]

mature women are very sexy!

 

[OtherwisePrint6210]

So, I was wondering. How many guys have you made cum? And are there any that have been memorable?

 

[JenniZinc]

So, I was wondering. How many guys have you made cum? And are there any that have been memorable?

Oh god, I couldn't even has at a guess! There's nothing that really stands out, the only difference is usually length of time it takes and how much comes out. I was always curious as to the distance within the first round, most would end up on my hand, some on my forearm or elbow. I have been hit in the face several times which is always interesting. But 99.9% of the time it's routine!

 

[JenniZinc]

For some reason, I love watching porn with the grannies or moms at your finishing age, or older doing the tugging. The more ordinary looking the better. I've never visited a massage parlor but wouldn't rule it out.

Being a mature I can't help but agree with you Seriously, when it comes to 'inclusive massage' experience is everything, and the young and hotties have very little. They'd rather have their hands on a phone than a penis!

 

[Tayloroc]

Being a mature I can't help but agree with you Seriously, when it comes to 'inclusive massage' experience is everything, and the young and hotties have very little. They'd rather have their hands on a phone than a penis!

I’ll bet you are amazing with your hands! that and your great smile is a winning combination!!

 

[JenniZinc]

I’ll bet you are amazing with your hands! that and your great smile is a winning combination!!

Without trying to brag, yes I am good with my hands - in my (former) business you had to be. I often wonder why Thai women have such a good reputation, and I think it's from being taught rather than assuming you know. In my parlour we were thrown in the deep end, with little or no training. In the first instance I found my clients were my best teachers, BUT over time I started to do double massages with the males. Nobody can deliver a hand job like another male, and the more I watched the better I became!

 

[JenniZinc]

I've been getting some interesting PM questions (I don't get involved answering PM's), including:

"I don't get why you would hand over 75% of your money to the owners just for protection you should just do it on your own"

Always good to get business advice from someone whom I'm presuming has never worked in the industry (and this was a female by the way)

Firstly, the going rate was 50% - 75% was only a trial rate, and the extra 25% was handed back to the girl/guy if they stayed on.

There was only a couple of times during my career that I needed security. Both involved alcohol with one client falling asleep and the other being sick. But it was also reassuring to know that if something did go wrong, someone had my back.

Then there's the issue of working from home for yourself. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure every parlour girl asked themselves the same question at some time. And if you look at any online erotic massage guide there's so many working out of their homes. I know it's their homes because renting an office or studio on your own would be too expensive. Plus, landlords are very funny about these types of businesses attracting people at all hours.

But to me the real issue is amount of business. Most parlours are located in high traffic areas, plus the owners do advertise proactively. My feeling is that I would have actually earned less on my own, even if it meant not having to lose a commission.

 

[Paul_Chance]

Excellent informative thread.

 

[RoperTrace]

I've been getting some interesting PM questions (I don't get involved answering PM's), including:

"I don't get why you would hand over 75% of your money to the owners just for protection you should just do it on your own"

Always good to get business advice from someone whom I'm presuming has never worked in the industry (and this was a female by the way)

Firstly, the going rate was 50% - 75% was only a trial rate, and the extra 25% was handed back to the girl/guy if they stayed on.

There was only a couple of times during my career that I needed security. Both involved alcohol with one client falling asleep and the other being sick. But it was also reassuring to know that if something did go wrong, someone had my back.

Then there's the issue of working from home for yourself. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure every parlour girl asked themselves the same question at some time. And if you look at any online erotic massage guide there's so many working out of their homes. I know it's their homes because renting an office or studio on your own would be too expensive. Plus, landlords are very funny about these types of businesses attracting people at all hours.

But to me the real issue is amount of business. Most parlours are located in high traffic areas, plus the owners do advertise proactively. My feeling is that I would have actually earned less on my own, even if it meant not having to lose a commission.

Haha, your answer reminds me of people giving business advice to Elon Musk on how to run Twitter. Like him or not, he's just about the last person in the universe who needs unsolicited business advice. Interesting thread, since you were kind of 'hands-on' on how the business was run.

 

[JenniZinc]

since you were kind of 'hands-on' on how the business was run.

Thanks, ha ha, although I didn't really understand the whole workings of the business or how much money they made. I can only give my understanding of how things worked for the parlour girls!

 

[JenniZinc]

Excellent informative thread.

Thanks, appreciated - I'd love to read a similar experience from someone in USA or Europe - I'm sure things work differently everywhere!

 

[RoperTrace]

Thanks, appreciated - I'd love to read a similar experience from someone in USA or Europe - I'm sure things work differently everywhere!

My daughter was a veterinarian-tech, and the location next to her business was a recently opened massage-business. 'Therapeutic' was description on their ad. One day I was having lunch in a neighboring diner, and looked out the window towards the massage business. Several black SUV's arrived and many men in dark clothes emerged, with FBI in large letters on their jackets. My mind is saying, WTF, why are FBI agents swarming a questionable massage parlor? It turns out, they were trafficking girls from parts of Asia, mostly Vietnam in their business model. The same thing happened to a nail salon/beauty shop in our county. The nail salons were owned by Vietnamese business men. The nail techs were working in something like indentured slaves.

 

[JenniZinc]

My daughter was a veterinarian-tech, and the location next to her business was a recently opened massage-business. 'Therapeutic' was description on their ad. One day I was having lunch in a neighboring diner, and looked out the window towards the massage business. Several black SUV's arrived and many men in dark clothes emerged, with FBI in large letters on their jackets. My mind is saying, WTF, why are FBI agents swarming a questionable massage parlor? It turns out, they were trafficking girls from parts of Asia, mostly Vietnam in their business model. The same thing happened to a nail salon/beauty shop in our county. The nail salons were owned by Vietnamese business men. The nail techs were working in something like indentured slaves.

It's a very sad consequence of the industry - as mentioned in my post most of the parlours are divided between Asian and Russian (Eastern European). I'd like to think that like me, the girls were working of their own free will and earning some decent money, but I feel that wasn't the case. I can only speak for my venue, and can know for sure these kind of practices didn't happen.

 

[jason28053]

In my bio I describe myself as being a housewife with a "past". I confess I actually signed up to Literotica after Googling the topic of happy endings for women, and came across a thread that I felt didn't quite do the subject justice.

My past goes back 22 years, when I left a reputable job as a massage therapist and beautician, to join the dark side on ‘the circuit’ (parlour).

Why? Money. If you know what you’re doing and are good at what you do there's plenty to earn. If you're crap, your earnings are in line with that.

In my nine and a bit years I bought an apartment in Melbourne Australia, paid it off in full, and purchased a 20 acre farm with a minimum mortgage. So, I consider myself very good at it.

In Australia it’s not widely known that parlours are usually Asian or Russian (or some other Eastern European) owned. As an Anglo-Saxon white girl I worked on the Russian side. Despite what you may see on TV, I found the Russian bosses to be very fair and reasonable, provided I was flexible.

There’s no straight formula, but the house will usually get 50-75% of the base (what a customer pays when they first enter, and it’s always upfront). Adjusting slightly for inflation, I would earn around $25 of the $75 paid by the customer. Not much for an hour’s work. But I got to keep 100% of the tips, which would be usually $50, sometimes more, but not often.

Obviously the $50 was for the final rub & tug - masturbation. Although I was a qualified masseuse, the ending was pretty much what customers were there for. On the odd occasion where a customer didn’t want to be finished off, or was just there for an actual (God forbid) massage, I was pretty much screwed.

It could get worse. On a quiet period, the house could put a sign out the front for $25 off. Guess who funded that $25 ……. In full! So, if I got a ‘legit’ customer, I could work the full hour for nothing.

It’s usually assumed that we would up our income by offering additional services such as the obvious oral, vaginal or anal. No way - firstly because it was against house rules, and everything was filmed. Bet you didn’t know that!

Why did the house care so much? Motorcycle gangs and other protection rackets tend to leave massage parlours alone. There’s just not enough money in them. Brothels are a different story, and word travels fast. That’s why hidden cameras get installed, simply to keep the girls (and some guys) in line.

If you're reading this and getting nervous about your previous visits, don't be. I can only speak for the parlour I worked in, but in Australia recording without consent is illegal. The business isn't planning to make money by uploading your ejaculation to PornHub

So, then how did this tale of woe become lucrative? It’s simple ….. hours don’t have to be 60 minutes. As a parlour girl, it’s in your interest to dispose of a customer as fast as possible. Sperm is money, and the faster the better.

If I can dispose of a customer in 40 minutes, I’m increased my earning time by a third. Once you get the experience, 30 minutes is possible, even 20. Why would a customer pay for 60 minutes and leave in 20? Remember the purpose behind the visit. Many men sneak out of work, or are in a different city on business. They want to cum, and after it's over they'll make every excuse to get out, even apologising!

The better you get at disposals, the more walk-ins get allocated to you, and you can even negotiate a better fee with the house.

The subject everyone wants to know about, women customers.

As a straight woman I will still always prefer massaging a female body. They’re smaller and smoother. Most women who entered our doors knew we were not a totally reputable venue, but that’s not to say most were there for sexual extras. Many just liked to have a massage without their undies on, and have their breasts massaged. Licensed massage therapists will never do this.

The problem with women customers is that an hour is actually an hour, plus time for small talk, getting prepared and getting dressed again. A woman walks through the door and the masseuses scatter! Taking on a woman customer generally means earning less money.

Did women ever want happy endings? Yes, regularly. Some were lesbian or bi. Some just wanted the empowering (I'm so woke) experience of being touched by another woman …. After which they would run off and tell their friends, producing more income reducing customers.

To women reading this, I’ll frame this in a way that will make sense. If you picture a woman getting a happy ending, you probably think of me stimulating their clitoris with my fingers. Then consider this, when you masturbate do you use your fingers or a vibrator of some type?

The reality is vibrators, yet for some reason the female customer expects that a parlour girl has a magic ability to know a body well enough to produce an orgasm with her fingers. It just doesn’t happen.

Although female customers took the full hour, as I moved into my 40’s, I would get picked less and less by males. I managed to build up a solid base of regular women, but I had to lay down three solid rules.

First was to please respect my time, with an hour starting the second they entered the room and finishing with the door closing.

Second was that if they wanted ‘release’ they would need to bring their own clitoral (not penetrative) vibrator. In those days, cordless vibes didn’t work well, so they would need a smaller magic want style that could be discreet enough to fit in a handbag.

Third rule was that tips applied. I found woman to have a reluctance to paying the extra, with the view that it’s 10 minutes of massage and should be included for free.

By 2010 I had seen enough sperm, pulled apart enough labias and earned enough money to have a new lifestyle on the farm with my partner. No, he’s not a former customer and yes he does know about my previous job.

To happy ending customers, some pieces of advice.

Firstly, don’t always go for the pretty or sexy girls - I describe myself as plain and chubby, but back then I was plain and average. I would get picked last, but had a very good return of clients due to my massage technique.

Next, to males only. We always had 1-2 male masseurs who were there for guys only. Few of them were gay, but this was the only way they could make a living. If you want to be massaged by a male, just say it - nobody’s going to judge you, think you’re gay or whatever. Straight men I know have told me the best orgasms they've had was from a male. I would never have admitted this in my working days

Next, orgasm is a goal, not a right. Sometimes it doesn’t work, male or female. It’s not our fault, we try our best. Think very carefully before causing a vocal scene, it may not be in your interest.

Lastly, wipe your butts. Believe it or not females are the worst offenders, but if you’re having a massage, jump into the toilet, grab some paper and wipe your bottom. Remember, I can see absolutely everything!

Hopefully I haven’t inspired a wave of massage aspirants. It’s well paying but not something I would recommend to my daughter (if I had one)

Interesting read

 

[myrionomos]

It's a very sad consequence of the industry - as mentioned in my post most of the parlours are divided between Asian and Russian (Eastern European). I'd like to think that like me, the girls were working of their own free will and earning some decent money, but I feel that wasn't the case. I can only speak for my venue, and can know for sure these kind of practices didn't happen.

Ownership of the massage industry in OZ has changed a lot since you retired (13 years?) The shops (in Sydney at least) have tended to increase in number and get smaller with two to five workers at any one time being the norm. I would say that the majority now are owned/run by former massage girls who often still work (like me). Fees are much less than in the USA and because the business's are legal and fairly small with less cash, they do not attract the crooks. The many fewer brothels tend to have quite a lot of Japanese and Korean girls who fly in for only a few weeks at a time, work 14 hour days, then skedaddle home with a stash of untaxed cash. Basically, trafficking girls is probably not worth it if the trade is legal, because there are sufficient willing volunteers. We have recently in the post covid period of strong demand found it tricky to retain girls, but with the overseas students returning and looking for part time work, that will likely soon be resolved.

I had a few messages following my earlier post. I'll try and reply to some of the questions in the next few days.

 

[Gbeard11]

Interesting

 

[JenniZinc]

Ownership of the massage industry in OZ has changed a lot since you retired (13 years?) The shops (in Sydney at least) have tended to increase in number and get smaller with two to five workers at any one time being the norm. I would say that the majority now are owned/run by former massage girls who often still work (like me). Fees are much less than in the USA and because the business's are legal and fairly small with less cash, they do not attract the crooks. The many fewer brothels tend to have quite a lot of Japanese and Korean girls who fly in for only a few weeks at a time, work 14 hour days, then skedaddle home with a stash of untaxed cash. Basically, trafficking girls is probably not worth it if the trade is legal, because there are sufficient willing volunteers. We have recently in the post covid period of strong demand found it tricky to retain girls, but with the overseas students returning and looking for part time work, that will likely soon be resolved.

I had a few messages following my earlier post. I'll try and reply to some of the questions in the next few days.

My nearest town had two massage 'centres', but I've never seen more than one girl in either of them. Both Asian but not sure of the nationality. What I can never understand is how indiscreet they are. Both in the centre of town, and no way in without being seen by everyone in the town

 

[RoperTrace]

My nearest town had two massage 'centres', but I've never seen more than one girl in either of them. Both Asian but not sure of the nationality. What I can never understand is how indiscreet they are. Both in the centre of town, and no way in without being seen by everyone in the town

This reminds me of our small hometown(city in Pennsylvania) had an X-rated book/video store on the edge of town along an old highway. The parking lot had an 8-foot high wooden fence so you could park behind it. One of my high-school classmates, was parked there and a tractor trailer ran off the road, wiping out the fence and totaled his car. Our daily newspaper had his pic standing there surveying the damage, along with his name. It was the talk of our 15th high school reunion.

 

[JenniZinc]

Not so much a FAQ but I thought I'd add something about working with males in the industry.

When I first started, our parlour was female-only. Our owners had a male available for female clients if ever required, but the demand was so low that they rarely if ever were called in.

One of our competitors started advertising that they had female and male 'therapists' which seemed odd as we new there was no demand .... or so we thought.

It turns out that there is a demand for males (mostly married) to be massaged by another male. These men are what I would describe as 'bi curious' as I doubt most would try full on sex with another male. I don't know this for sure, just the impression I got.

Our parlour took on 3 males so that one could be on duty at all times. The way they got business was quite comical as our clients would never admit they wanted a male to male massage for sexual reasons, but instead point out that they had a particularly sore back or shoulders and thought a male masseur would do a better job.

The issue for me was that the males employed were in competition with myself and the other females. We had no gay clients as these guys would always go to a gay massage parlour.

At one stage we ramped things up and started to offer ladyboy/s. I know this term is politically incorrect but at this time it was what they were called. Whereas I got on with the males, the ladyboys were plain horrible to work with. I don't know what their problem was but they were never nice to be around. Interesting to note that the idea never took off and they gradually withdrew their services.

 

[RoperTrace]

Not so much a FAQ but I thought I'd add something about working with males in the industry.

When I first started, our parlour was female-only. Our owners had a male available for female clients if ever required, but the demand was so low that they rarely if ever were called in.

One of our competitors started advertising that they had female and male 'therapists' which seemed odd as we new there was no demand .... or so we thought.

It turns out that there is a demand for males (mostly married) to be massaged by another male. These men are what I would describe as 'bi curious' as I doubt most would try full on sex with another male. I don't know this for sure, just the impression I got.

Our parlour took on 3 males so that one could be on duty at all times. The way they got business was quite comical as our clients would never admit they wanted a male to male massage for sexual reasons, but instead point out that they had a particularly sore back or shoulders and thought a male masseur would do a better job.

The issue for me was that the males employed were in competition with myself and the other females. We had no gay clients as these guys would always go to a gay massage parlour.

At one stage we ramped things up and started to offer ladyboy/s. I know this term is politically incorrect but at this time it was what they were called. Whereas I got on with the males, the ladyboys were plain horrible to work with. I don't know what their problem was but they were never nice to be around. Interesting to note that the idea never took off and they gradually withdrew their services.

How are ladyboys even recruited? Were they advertised as 'special' in some way? My guess is word-of-mouth advertising. In the financial industry, personal references are easily the best form of marketing.

 

[JenniZinc]

How are ladyboys even recruited? Were they advertised as 'special' in some way? My guess is word-of-mouth advertising. In the financial industry, personal references are easily the best form of marketing.

Most of our advertising was online, so we were able to advertise exactly the 'product'. Newspaper advertising was always done but a bit pointless, not sure why management did it!

 

[CrossOfStAndrew]

What training did the Thai girls get that you didn't?