The why-is-it-called-that thread

[only_more_so]

It was common practice into the 1960's at least, for butchers to fill the ends of sausages with bread crumbs, whether this was a taste thing or a way to make uncooked sausages longer I have really no idea, because the logistics of portioning meat through the grinder when making sausages seems to me to outweigh any pecuniary advantage. That is, the sausage could hardly weigh much more and the immediate effect of cooking shows the bread crumbs up. (I still remember the crozzled ends affectionately)

But I think that this practice is where 'both ends meat' comes from.

On the other hand, and slightly more sophisticated in thinking, is making the end of the weekly wage coincide with the end of the working week. (payday) That would be making both ends meet.

This is about as contrived a definition as the ones I've heard for "the whole nine yards". It is a much older than the 1960's, even older than the depression.

 

[shereads]

Let me look it up, Never heard the term, so it's curious to me. My first guess might have to do with words like frigid and phrases like blue balls in regards to nylon? Blue Stocking might relate to blue balls in a fetish way, perhaps to a little BDSM in regards to nylon? Not sure and do not know - I am curious.

Bluestocking predates nylon. It pops up in the Regency thru Victorian eras as a term of disparagement applied exclusively to females. A bluestocking is over-educated / reads too much / takes an inappropriate interest in intellectual pursuits, and is less attractive because of it.

I love the Victorian era as a setting for fiction, especially erotica. All that rigid morality colliding with all those private pornography collections! The near-terror of female sexuality. The furniture legs draped in fabric so as not to provoke the frail sex with errant thoughts of human limbs! I even read someplace that proper young ladies at dinner parties would not be seen to eat any part of a chicken except the wing - the part of the bird no counterpart on the human anatomy. Why, it's enough to give one the vapours.

 

[Boxlicker101]

About speaking one's piece: Way back about the middle of the last century, when I was a callow youth, sometimes a church or a school would put on a performance. Some of the kids, usually the brown noses, would be given a poem or a monologue or something of that sort to recite. They would get up, speak their piece, and sit back down. I think that's exactly what the expression means, but it might predate last century.

I think blue-stockings were rich and very proper ladies, and the expression might reflect the fact that they wore dark colored stockings, to make their le..er..limbs even loss visible.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I just tracked this down in the Encyclopedia Britannica. It probably tells us more than we really cared to know..

any of a group of ladies who in mid-18th-century England held “conversations” to which they invited men of letters and members of the aristocracy with literary interests. The word has come to be applied derisively to a woman who affects literary or learned interests. The Bluestockings attempted to replace social evenings spent playing cards with something more intellectual. The term probably originated when one of the ladies, Mrs. Vesey, invited the learned Benjamin Stillingfleet to one of her parties; he declined because he lacked appropriate dress, whereupon she told him to come “in his blue stockings”—the ordinary worsted stockings he was wearing at the time. He did so, and Bluestocking (or Bas Bleu) society became a nickname for the group. This anecdote was later recounted by Madame d'Arblay (the diarist and novelist better known as Fanny Burney), who was closely associated with (but also satirized) the Bluestockings.

The group was never a society in any formal sense. Mrs. Vesey seems to have given the first party, in Bath. After she moved to London, a rivalry developed with Mrs. Elizabeth Montagu, who became the leader of the literary ladies. Others included Mrs. Hester Chapone, Mrs. Elizabeth Carter, Miss Mary Monckton, and Miss Hannah More, whose poem “The Bas Bleu, or Conversation,” supplies valuable inside information about them. Guests included Dr. Johnson, David Garrick, the Earl of Bath, Lord Lyttleton, and Horace Walpole (who called them “petticoteries”).

 

[Weird Harold]

Why doughboys?

I've never heard a credible explanation for that one.

And why isn't it blow cheese?

Because Bleu Cheese is visibly BLUE; the blue veining is what disinguishes it from Roquefort cheese.

 

[gauchecritic]

This is about as contrived a definition as the ones I've heard for "the whole nine yards". It is a much older than the 1960's, even older than the depression.

Maybe so. But the expression is makes ends meet not make ends meat.

So argue with Ogden Nash over that one, not me.

 

[shereads]

The group was never a society in any formal sense. Mrs. Vesey seems to have given the first party, in Bath. After she moved to London, a rivalry developed with Mrs. Elizabeth Montagu, who became the leader of the literary ladies. Others included Mrs. Hester Chapone, Mrs. Elizabeth Carter, Miss Mary Monckton, and Miss Hannah More, whose poem “The Bas Bleu, or Conversation,” supplies valuable inside information about them. Guests included Dr. Johnson, David Garrick, the Earl of Bath, Lord Lyttleton, and Horace Walpole (who called them “petticoteries”).

Sounds like a thinly disguised excuse for some highbrow groping.

 

[CharleyH]

Bluestocking.

I know what it means - an (inappropriately) bookish female. But why stockings? And why blue ones? Does anyone know the origin of the term, or know of a good resource for researching the origins of vintage slang?

Also:

macaroni - not the pasta, but the dandy.

I would immediately believe "Blue Stockings" referred to blue balls for fetishists? Not sure and do not know. It is my first thought.

 

[shereads]

I would immediately believe "Blue Stockings" referred to blue balls for fetishists? Not sure and do not know. It is my first thought.

Pervert!

 

[CharleyH]

Pervert!

I CERTAINLY HOPE SO! Is anyone else on here? Are you?

 

[rgraham666]

The word 'boss' comes from the Afrikaaner word 'baas' which means master.

A comment on the essential D/s nature of the working world.

 

[shereads]

The word 'boss' comes from the Afrikaaner word 'baas' which means master.

A comment on the essential D/s nature of the working world.

You think so? I believe the /s in D/s is supposed to be empowering. Also, have you seen a fast-food restaurant uniform lately? No self-respecting submissive would be caught dead in an outfit like that.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by shereads
Pervert

I CERTAINLY HOPE SO! Is anyone else on here? Are you?

Well, DUH! Why else would we be here? Why else would we be reading and writing dirty stories?

 

[oggbashan]

Why doughboys?

See This

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[shereads]

See This

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How sad. Millions of men marched off to war under the nickname "doughboys," derived from "dough heads," meaning "s**t-for-brains." Further evidence that the people who fight wars are held in contempt by the people who send them.

 

[Boxlicker101]

How sad. Millions of men marched off to war under the nickname "doughboys," derived from "dough heads," meaning "s**t-for-brains." Further evidence that the people who fight wars are held in contempt by the people who send them.

This is largely true now but, during WW One, members of the AEF were all considered to be heroes by the people who sent them and by the American population. This was probably more true in this war than in any before or since. At the time, "Doughboys" was a term of affection.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

I would immediately believe "Blue Stockings" referred to blue balls for fetishists? Not sure and do not know. It is my first thought.

There's a popular, independent bookstore mostly geared towards women here called Bluestockings. Now I just learned something new about its name that makes me appreciate it better, when I previously thought it just sounded cool.

I gotta hang out on this side of the Lit town more often!

 

[Recidiva]

There's a popular, independent bookstore mostly geared towards women here called Bluestockings. Now I just learned something new about its name that makes me appreciate it better, when I previously thought it just sounded cool.

I gotta hang out on this side of the Lit town more often!

Come sit by me, darlin'

 

[Stella_Omega]

You think so? I believe the /s in D/s is supposed to be empowering. Also, have you seen a fast-food restaurant uniform lately? No self-respecting submissive would be caught dead in an outfit like that.

That would be past my limits as a Top, too.
Waaay past...

 

[Recidiva]

That would be past my limits as a Top, too.
Waaay past...

You would look adorable in a "Hot Dog On a Stick" hat.

http://www.antennaballworld.com/bin/img/product/0080209_antenna_topper_hot_dog_on_a_stick_guy_ball_food.jpg

 

[Stella_Omega]

You would look adorable in a "Hot Dog On a Stick" hat.

http://www.antennaballworld.com/bin/img/product/0080209_antenna_topper_hot_dog_on_a_stick_guy_ball_food.jpg

a handsome man looks good in anything
But I could never make a sub wear one...

Or play with a sub who wanted to wear one! Ick! Icky, icky, icky!

 

[shereads]

You would look adorable in a "Hot Dog On a Stick" hat.

http://www.antennaballworld.com/bin/img/product/0080209_antenna_topper_hot_dog_on_a_stick_guy_ball_food.jpg

Clearly a rip-off of my unsold fast-food franchise concept, Wiener-In-A-Cup.

 

[Vermilion]

Ps & Qs - where's it come from?
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ETA: n/m. I wikipedia-ed it.

There are numerous theories about the origin of the phrase. One is that it began in British pubs as an abbreviation for "mind your pints and quarts." Supposedly, this warned the bartender to serve full measure, mark the customer's tab accurately, etc.

Another suggestion is that the phrase originated in the printing trade, at the time when printing presses used movable type set by hand. When looking at the type, all the letters are in mirror image so that they will print on paper correctly. Because the letters "p" and "q" look very similar and were stored side by side in the type cases, it was easy for a typesetter to pull a letter from the wrong slot and not notice this. When the type was removed from the press and sorted back into the type cases, mixing q's with p's was likely unless care was taken. A similar theory tells of a teacher instructing a young student to write p's and q's appropriately, as they look similar.

Some have suggested that "mind your Ps and Qs" means "mind your 'pleases' and 'thank-yous'", with the letters "p" and "q" standing as onomatopoeic representations of the respective words.

 

[oggbashan]

From the Isolated Blurt Thread:

In Britspeak, one version of Ps and Qs is "Pricks and Quims (=cunts)" i.e. the sexual parts. You have at least one. You need two for some action.

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PS. Quoting myself? What is the world coming to?

 

[Vermilion]

From the Isolated Blurt Thread:

In Britspeak, one version of Ps and Qs is "Pricks and Quims (=cunts)" i.e. the sexual parts. You have at least one. You need two for some action.

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PS. Quoting myself? What is the world coming to?

saw that, it's what made me hunt for the other meaning. I've never heard the rude version. *I* think you just made it up to be controversial

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