There are more black men in the U.S. prison system

[Aglaopheme]

I do not disagree with you at all generally speaking. However, I was just referring to how I was treated by the detectives during my arrest. If you think a black woman would have received the same treatment by the CPD.......well they wouldn't trust me.

No it's mostly just female....sure being white has some privilege too. But a vag carries way more privilege with the criminal justice system in general than skin color.

From murder to child custody and speeding tickets....the two are not even comparable. Racial discrimination of every kind is center stage and fingers get pointed regularly, it's shameful and society is absolutely treating it as such. Discussion is being forced as a result and change is happening, has been for a while now. Female privilege is institutionalized, promoted and cheered. Women are always victims and mom is always right and men are no good woman abusing bums. Anyone saying otherwise is just a patriarchal pig and is quickly demonized as such.

JUST in the past few years are certain cities/states starting to address this issue in family courts because duh duh duuuuuuun!! there are shit bag mothers too. Hopefully this will spread to criminal law and into other facets of society soon.....

People are just people....no one should have privilege because they were born with a certain color, genitals, name, wealth. You do 95 in a 70 you deserve a speeding ticket....IDGAF how much money/power you have or how big your tits are you need to be treated the same as every other asshole.

As far as OP goes it's a combo of a lot of things....historical ass fucking for most of the nations history, broken criminal justice system, poverty, education, cultural norms, racism. Put it all together and take a look at history....both ours and abroad. After most of the country is mixed race most of these issues will genuinely exist only in a history book as far as the US goes.

 

[Busybody]

Its called proclivity

 

[Aglaopheme]

And that's the problem. Wow you just said something that makes sense. The police definitely have a proclivity to treat people of color worse than white folks.

 

[homewa]

And that's the problem. Wow you just said something that makes sense. The police definitely have a proclivity to treat people of color worse than white folks.

I don't think it's so much an inherent proclivity as learned bad behavior, although I suppose that it's possible, after all people are biologically pre-disposed to be somewhat racist.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Ugh

a tendency to choose or do something regularly; an inclination or predisposition toward a particular thing.
"a proclivity for hard work"
synonyms: inclination, tendency, leaning, disposition, proneness, propensity, bent, bias, penchant, predisposition; More

 

[homewa]

a tendency to choose or do something regularly; an inclination or predisposition toward a particular thing.
"a proclivity for hard work"
synonyms: inclination, tendency, leaning, disposition, proneness, propensity, bent, bias, penchant, predisposition; More

Right.. PREDISPOSITION. Meaning an inherent trait. A person with a proclivity to date blondes, would choose to date more blondes BECAUSE of their proclivity, but they don't choose their proclivities, those are inherent in their nature. Hence the fact that "propensity," "disposition", "tendency", and "leaning" are all synonyms.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Now go look up what ; means........here's a clue for you: it's not half of a winking face. You really do just like to see yourself type stuff don't you?

 

[The_Trouvere]

True... But economic deprivation does lead to harsher sentences.

http://readersupportednews.org/opin...entence-for-the-poor-immunity-for-the-wealthy

http://amptoons.com/blog/2006/09/12...-and-us-citizens-are-given-lighter-sentences/

So when poor people are caught and convicted they are much more likely to receive harsher sentences, which increases the perception that they are criminals.

Worse, poor people are more likely to be declared guilty:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...2YPN5Bnqk-dx10g&bvm=bv.96952980,d.cWw&cad=rja

Edit: No wait, I am disagreeing with you... and posting evidence to support that fact. Poor people are sentenced at a much higher rate for much lighter crimes than rich.

Edit 2:

Also: http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324432004578304463789858002 Blacks are sentenced more often than whites for the same crimes commited.

What matters is that blacks have a much higher crime rate than whites, and an even higher crime rate than Orientals. If it really is true that blacks receive harsher sentences than whites committing the same crime, that is because the Negro race has earned a reputation for crime.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Abortions, gangs, and cops keep America white!

 

[Busybody]

And that's the problem. Wow you just said something that makes sense. The police definitely have a proclivity to treat people of color worse than white folks.

As usuall you put the clown suit on.....police and others do....cause facts on ground tell em blacks are more prone then whites to violence

Insurance companies use same reasoning in rate determination

Bars have ladies night....proclivity. ....

Even noted, Knee Grow, Jesse Jackson uses proclivity....read his book, he was walking in a dark street, was scared, turned. Saw white kids, was relieved

Proclivity

You are a loon

 

[homewa]

What matters is that blacks have a much higher crime rate than whites, and an even higher crime rate than Orientals. If it really is true that blacks receive harsher sentences than whites committing the same crime, that is because the Negro race has earned a reputation for crime.

Yes, because they are convicted and sentenced more often. As I demonstrated. Crime statistics result from sentences there, genius. So if we'll say 60% of whites and 60% of blacks commit crimes that could potentially earn a jail sentence. 30% of the white people are convicted, 60% of the black people are convicted. Then let's assume that 30% of the white people are sentenced to jailtime, and 60% of the black people... So that leads to a rate of convicted white people who have been to prison that would 5.34%, and 21% of blacks. That's an exaggerated number but it proves the point. This is why blacks have a reputation for crime, because they are punished more often.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...=vHSPP3N8ojEBN4zbwmyk-Q&bvm=bv.96952980,d.cWw

That's a study from UW Law, showing a much greater than 50% disparity in rate of convictions.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/18/ferguson-black-arrest-rates/19043207/

There's one showing arrest rates.

So, Black people are arrested for crimes that White people are less likely to be arrested for, then convicted at a higher rate, then sentenced at a higher rate. So naturally more of them appear to us to be criminals, because the white people have a tendency to be treated leniently for the same crimes. After all most white people have smoked pot, and a large percentage of the black people in jail, are there for drug related offenses. White people do not get treated as harshly, so we don't see our white friends getting carted off to jail, or talking about how they're on parole... so we assume that they're law abiding.

 

[The_Trouvere]

Yes, because they are convicted and sentenced more often. As I demonstrated. Crime statistics result from sentences there, genius. So if we'll say 60% of whites and 60% of blacks commit crimes that could potentially earn a jail sentence. 30% of the white people are convicted, 60% of the black people are convicted. Then let's assume that 30% of the white people are sentenced to jailtime, and 60% of the black people... So that leads to a rate of convicted white people who have been to prison that would 5.34%, and 21% of blacks. That's an exaggerated number but it proves the point. This is why blacks have a reputation for crime, because they are punished more often.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...=vHSPP3N8ojEBN4zbwmyk-Q&bvm=bv.96952980,d.cWw

That's a study from UW Law, showing a much greater than 50% disparity in rate of convictions.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/18/ferguson-black-arrest-rates/19043207/

There's one showing arrest rates.

So, Black people are arrested for crimes that White people are less likely to be arrested for, then convicted at a higher rate, then sentenced at a higher rate. So naturally more of them appear to us to be criminals, because the white people have a tendency to be treated leniently for the same crimes. After all most white people have smoked pot, and a large percentage of the black people in jail, are there for drug related offenses. White people do not get treated as harshly, so we don't see our white friends getting carted off to jail, or talking about how they're on parole... so we assume that they're law abiding.

According to the National Crime Victimization Survey in 2002, the black arrest rate for robbery was 8.55 times higher than whites, and blacks were 16 times more likely to be incarcerated for robbery than non-Hispanic whites. Robberies with white victims and black offenders were more than 12 times more common than the reverse.[38][39]...

In a 2008 self-published paper Paul Heaton from the RAND Corporation and Charles Loeffler...found that the black offenders were 3% more likely to be arrested. This suggests some bias, but is insufficient to explain the large racial crime disparities.[85]

 

[homewa]

According to the National Crime Victimization Survey in 2002, the black arrest rate for robbery was 8.55 times higher than whites, and blacks were 16 times more likely to be incarcerated for robbery than non-Hispanic whites. Robberies with white victims and black offenders were more than 12 times more common than the reverse.[38][39]...

That's a Survey... I posted hard data. I'll give you a hint, hard data wins.

In a 2008 self-published paper Paul Heaton from the RAND Corporation and Charles Loeffler...found that the black offenders were 3% more likely to be arrested. This suggests some bias, but is insufficient to explain the large racial crime disparities.[85]

I posted a presentation with links to peer reviewed documents that state the exact opposite. A self-published paper vs. a peer reviewed study, again I know which source wins that fight.

 

[The_Trouvere]

That's a Survey... I posted hard data. I'll give you a hint, hard data wins.



I posted a presentation with links to peer reviewed documents that state the exact opposite. A self-published paper vs. a peer reviewed study, again I know which source wins that fight.

Are you trying to pretend that blacks and whites have the same crime rate, but blacks are more likely to be convicted?

 

[homewa]

Are you trying to pretend that blacks and whites have the same crime rate, but blacks are more likely to be convicted?

That was the evidence I posted from reliable sources. Well not exactly. I didn't claim that Blacks offend less (I assume it's about the same, but it may be slightly higher). I did claim that they are more often arrested (when others would get let off with a warning) and I provided evidence that supported that, from a reliable (reasonably reliable, source), then I claimed that they are convicted more often for the same offenses (used another reliable source, that was the law paper, if you'll recall, so peer-reviewed academic paper, won't get any better than that), then that they are more often given prison sentences and I provided proof to that (with the WSJ, a known good source, that skews right typically)

So in conclusion, there is no strong reason to suspect that blacks and whites have that different a crime rate. Fuck you're biased bullshit survey study, only claimed a 3% difference, and that's liable to be where people are exaggerating as much as possible.

So again, some sources are better, and there are dozens of sources from reliable places in academia that back what I'm saying.

 

[The_Trouvere]

That was the evidence I posted from reliable sources. Well not exactly. I didn't claim that Blacks offend less (I assume it's about the same, but it may be slightly higher). I did claim that they are more often arrested (when others would get let off with a warning) and I provided evidence that supported that, from a reliable (reasonably reliable, source), then I claimed that they are convicted more often for the same offenses (used another reliable source, that was the law paper, if you'll recall, so peer-reviewed academic paper, won't get any better than that), then that they are more often given prison sentences and I provided proof to that (with the WSJ, a known good source, that skews right typically)

So in conclusion, there is no strong reason to suspect that blacks and whites have that different a crime rate. Fuck you're biased bullshit survey study, only claimed a 3% difference, and that's liable to be where people are exaggerating as much as possible.

So again, some sources are better, and there are dozens of sources from reliable places in academia that back what I'm saying.

The best evidence comes from the National Crime Victimization Survey.

 

[The_Trouvere]

White Girl Bleed a Lot: The return of racial violence and how the media ignore it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbuGEYg7CC8

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

If we gave every black man a million dollars and a pardon from prison, in 5 years the black poor and incarcerated would be the same as now. Fish gotta swim, birds gotta fly.

 

[homewa]

The best evidence comes from the National Crime Victimization Survey.

The best evidence would be the evidence from the government's crime statistics... Which... Yes, I did link that, and it agreed with me.

 

[Boxlicker101]

The best evidence would be the evidence from the government's crime statistics... Which... Yes, I did link that, and it agreed with me.

So, where is the link you mention? You have one that expresses an opinion from a (probably) leftist professor and another that agrees more black people than white are arrested.

 

[homewa]

So, where is the link you mention? You have one that expresses an opinion from a (probably) leftist professor and another that agrees more black people than white are arrested.

Actually I think that may have been in a separate thread. I apologize. The paper does actually reference that information, and there are dozens of sources that deal with the divide in sentencing based on race though. So there is clearly a divide, as to whether it's because Blacks are treated more harshly than they should be, or because certain groups of White people are treated more leniently, it's difficult to say.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Actually I think that may have been in a separate thread. I apologize. The paper does actually reference that information, and there are dozens of sources that deal with the divide in sentencing based on race though. So there is clearly a divide, as to whether it's because Blacks are treated more harshly than they should be, or because certain groups of White people are treated more leniently, it's difficult to say.

Did your figures take into consideration past records or other factors? For instance, an armed robber who is a repeat offender will get a stiffer sentence than somebody with no run-ins with the law. California's three-strike law may require 25 to life, and other states have similar laws. Membership in a street gang can be another factor. In addition, actions during the commission of a crime can be considered. Gratuitous beating of a rape victim, for instance, can increase the severity of a sentence.

 

[homewa]

Did your figures take into consideration past records or other factors? For instance, an armed robber who is a repeat offender will get a stiffer sentence than somebody with no run-ins with the law. California's three-strike law may require 25 to life, and other states have similar laws. Membership in a street gang can be another factor. In addition, actions during the commission of a crime can be considered. Gratuitous beating of a rape victim, for instance, can increase the severity of a sentence.

The article compared sentencing for similar crimes and situations.

[Quote = Wall Street Journal]
In the two years after the Booker ruling, sentences of blacks were on average 15.2% longer than the sentences of similarly situated whites, according to the Sentencing Commission report. Between December 2007 and September 2011, the most recent period covered in the report, sentences of black males were 19.5% longer than those for whites. The analysis also found that black males were 25% less likely than whites in the same period to receive a sentence below the guidelines' range.[/Quote]

Now that's sentencing length over sentencing frequency, but it definitely shows a clear difference in treatment for individuals. Which very likely also carries through to convictions.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Actually I think that may have been in a separate thread. I apologize. The paper does actually reference that information, and there are dozens of sources that deal with the divide in sentencing based on race though. So there is clearly a divide, as to whether it's because Blacks are treated more harshly than they should be, or because certain groups of White people are treated more leniently, it's difficult to say.

Its not at all difficult to say. In fact, there have been numerous studies that state point blank that there is a major disparity in not only arrests, but sentences handed down to people based on race. Black people are more likely to be arrested for a particular crime than a white person is, and are more likely to be handed a much stiffer sentence than if they were white.

 

[homewa]

Its not at all difficult to say. In fact, there have been numerous studies that state point blank that there is a major disparity in not only arrests, but sentences handed down to people based on race. Black people are more likely to be arrested for a particular crime than a white person is, and are more likely to be handed a much stiffer sentence than if they were white.

No... I agree with that.

What I was saying is that as far as the principle goes. I don't know if Black people are being punished more than they should for the crimes that are committed or if White people are being punished less than they should be. It's probably somewhere in between in reality varying by judge and state or what-not. True equality would require fixing both issues, provided that both of those are contributing factors.