They just didn't know

I haven't thought of that angle before. I very much respect it though.

I get this, but one issue I see is that people can't judge it if they don't know about it. Talent alone probably won't get a story the recognition it deserves. If you wrote a 10/10 story but didn't promote it or have any reputation and as a result, nobody read it, would that be a fair assessment of how good it is?
In normal publishing of course promotion would be needed before you'd launch your work on the unsuspecting public but I took a gamble that since Literotica was dedicated to publishing the stories for free that hopefully some readers would click on my work and read it.
If no-one read it and therefore rated it then the only assessment it would have received would have been from me and of course I think all my stories are 10/10 :)
 
Once I felt I could count on an author to deliver a story I liked, I'd be more inclined to seek out more stories by that author.
The key here is you'd be more inclined to seek out more stories by that author. That's how the reader base is built. I don't think the credentials matter, but I do think the brand/name matters. And building that kind of stuff takes time.
 
In normal publishing of course promotion would be needed before you'd launch your work on the unsuspecting public but I took a gamble that since Literotica was dedicated to publishing the stories for free that hopefully some readers would click on my work and read it.
If no read it and therefore rated it then the only assessment it would have received would have been from me and of course I think all my stories are 10/10 :)
I see. That's a fair way to look at it. But even in Lit, there are millions of stories. Coming out with a story as an anonymous person without any promotion whatsoever? That's a tough scene. But promoting it in a bunch of places (Reddit, Twitter, Discord, etc.) and making friends is how I've seen authors get their work seen by more people.

On another note, more of an established readership protects from hazards like 1-bombers, which can deter readers from reading a story.
 
I'm not worried about anything. I don't care that the scores are terrible. The only reason that I would like higher scores is to get more views and despite the fact that that hasn't ever happened I have continued to publish. Quality of writing is even further down the list than you think and I've said that for years (and taken a fuckton of shit on this forum for it). I treat any response at all, even a troll response as gold. Don't be sorry. I came here to share my stories. I did that. That is success.

The truth is that I probably have the worst scores of any non-LW writer in the AH, and I'm probably the least popular writer in terms of hits, faves and followers in the AH. And trust me - it's NOT a badge of honor. It's just the truth.
I mean, 133 followers is higher than some of us.

I do admire the treating any response, even the troll responses, as gold. They cared enough to respond. That's better than indifference.
 
I see. That's a fair way to look at it. But even in Lit, there are millions of stories. Coming out with a story as an anonymous person without any promotion whatsoever? That's a tough scene. But promoting it in a bunch of places (Reddit, Twitter, Discord, etc.) and making friends is how I've seen authors get their work seen by more people.

On another note, more of an established readership protects from hazards like 1-bombers, which can deter readers from reading a story.
Agree if widespread exposure is the aim, it's prudent to link with other platforms and content producers etc but for me I just wanted to try it out, see if my work would cut the mustard at all and have a place to publish easily and with little hassle.
I seem to have been lucky with 1-bombers not attacking me so far (touch wood) and when I did publish in LW their criticism was actually deserved for the most part.
 
The key here is you'd be more inclined to seek out more stories by that author. That's how the reader base is built. I don't think the credentials matter, but I do think the brand/name matters. And building that kind of stuff takes time.

Yes and no.

Yes, having a brand name is better than not having a brand name. Obviously. Well-established authors build up followers, and those followers are more likely to see and click on the stories of their favorite authors.

But no, because this effect, I suspect, is a much smaller component of success than many people think it is. I suspect the majority of readers don't give a damn who the author is. They click on a story from an author they've never read before because it's on a new story list, they like the story, and they give it a good score. Then other readers see the story, and the score, and they click on it, and they like it, and so on. The reader name has very little to do with it.

Within 15 months of becoming a Literotica author, I had the number one story on the 12-month most-viewed story list. Why? Certainly not because of my name. Because people liked it. They didn't care who I was. They didn't know who I was. Sure, it was an incest story -- but it beat out all the other incest stories. Because people liked it. I'll tell you something else -- that story was NEVER the highest-scoring story in its category. Not even close. That story has never had a score higher than 4.64, which is where it was 8 years ago and where it is now. But it received more views, votes, and favorites than competitors with higher scores. Ever since then, I have been convinced that people here go down pointless rabbit holes regarding scores and red Hs and all the other nonsense about how to "succeed" at Literotica. I go on serenely doing my thing while so many authors seem constantly to be in a tizzy because somebody voted their story down from 4.91 to 4.87 and cry, "Oh my god, my story isn't at the top of the toplist and now I have no chance of the success I so richly deserve!"

You deserve nothing. You deserve nothing other than what the Literotica readership chooses to give you. If you want to write for your own purposes, fine! That's great. But don't expect the Literotica readership to value your muse the way you do.

Write good stories, and be smart about things like how you categorize it, its title, its tagline, and your tag choices. Don't worry about the rest. Worry about what you can control. You can control a lot more than you think you can. You have to decide what your goal is, and then, intelligently assessing the Literotica readership and the vagaries of this site's operations (which you cannot control), you have to do what you need to do to fulfill your goal.
 
Yes and no.

Yes, having a brand name is better than not having a brand name. Obviously. Well-established authors build up followers, and those followers are more likely to see and click on the stories of their favorite authors.

But no, because this effect, I suspect, is a much smaller component of success than many people think it is. I suspect the majority of readers don't give a damn who the author is. They click on a story from an author they've never read before because it's on a new story list, they like the story, and they give it a good score. Then other readers see the story, and the score, and they click on it, and they like it, and so on. The reader name has very little to do with it.

Within 15 months of becoming a Literotica author, I had the number one story on the 12-month most-viewed story list. Why? Certainly not because of my name. Because people liked it. They didn't care who I was. They didn't know who I was. Sure, it was an incest story -- but it beat out all the other incest stories. Because people liked it. I'll tell you something else -- that story was NEVER the highest-scoring story in its category. Not even close. That story has never had a score higher than 4.64, which is where it was 8 years ago and where it is now. But it received more views, votes, and favorites than competitors with higher scores. Ever since then, I have been convinced that people here go down pointless rabbit holes regarding scores and red Hs and all the other nonsense about how to "succeed" at Literotica. I go on serenely doing my thing while so many authors seem constantly to be in a tizzy because somebody voted their story down from 4.91 to 4.87 and cry, "Oh my god, my story isn't at the top of the toplist and now I have no chance of the success I so richly deserve!"

You deserve nothing. You deserve nothing other than what the Literotica readership chooses to give you. If you want to write for your own purposes, fine! That's great. But don't expect the Literotica readership to value your muse the way you do.

Write good stories, and be smart about things like how you categorize it, its title, its tagline, and your tag choices. Don't worry about the rest. Worry about what you can control. You can control a lot more than you think you can. You have to decide what your goal is, and then, intelligently assessing the Literotica readership and the vagaries of this site's operations (which you cannot control), you have to do what you need to do to fulfill your goal.
I mean, 15 months is a decent amount of time to accumulate clout. At least, if you're posting consistently.

I'm aware red Hs aren't that significant. And obviously a 0.4 score difference probably isn't going to affect view counts either. However, I'm not convinced that anyone can just show up, throw down a story, and get a ton of votes and likes on it without spending time building a following, promoting, making connections, or getting really lucky.

The rabbitholes are dumb. I think it's time and consistent posting. And the strength of the stories factors in, too.
 
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I mean, 15 months is a decent amount of time to accumulate clout. At least, if you're posting consistently.

Yes, but that's the point. I figured out the readership, after doing a lot of homework, and I leaned hard into it. The clout resulted from the homework and the publication of stories that readers liked. Not the other way around.

I have no sympathy for new authors who think, "I'm not part of the in-crowd, so I'll never make it at Literotica." Bullshit. Do your homework. Write good stories. Have a strategy. Stick with it.
 
Yes, but that's the point. I figured out the readership, after doing a lot of homework, and I leaned hard into it. The clout resulted from the homework and the publication of stories that readers liked. Not the other way around.

I have no sympathy for new authors who think, "I'm not part of the in-crowd, so I'll never make it at Literotica." Bullshit. Do your homework. Write good stories. Have a strategy. Stick with it.
Spending time doing homework and posting consistently is part of what I mean. Sticking with it takes time. You have to be in it long-term. That's building the clout. Building your name. It's not arriving in a puff of smoke and thinking you're the next hotshot. The new authors who think what you describe just don't consider or aren't willing to put in the time it takes to "make it."
 
You deserve nothing. You deserve nothing other than what the Literotica readership chooses to give you. If you want to write for your own purposes, fine! That's great. But don't expect the Literotica readership to value your muse the way you do.

Write good stories, and be smart about things like how you categorize it, its title, its tagline, and your tag choices. Don't worry about the rest. Worry about what you can control. You can control a lot more than you think you can. You have to decide what your goal is, and then, intelligently assessing the Literotica readership and the vagaries of this site's operations (which you cannot control), you have to do what you need to do to fulfill your goal.
Mhm. One of my drums: just write what you want. Scores can be useful indicators if a story works well/doesn't, and if there's an outlier, it's helpful to get feedback to see why that one, or to do some more thoughtful analysis. I'm here to brush up on my writing skills after 5 years away from writing, and to expose more people to non-human porn smut beautiful, thoughtful erotica, because it's really a fun category of erotica and a lot of people are surprised to find they actually like it if they give it a chance. Maybe it's not really their thing and doesn't do much for the ol' juices, but it's a fun, highly creative space.

Example: my most recent story started off really well, had some amazing comments, but is now well below my average for my other stories (it lost its H :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: the horror!). Could be a few different reasons, I did a lot differently in that story compared to the others, but I haven't gotten a clear reason why that might be, so I went to Story Feedback to see if anyone had any ideas if there was anything about the story itself, beyond maybe my attempts to expose more people to non-human, that made it deserving of the several 1s it's gotten. But, at the end of the day, even if I never truly know for sure (I suspect it's because I dared to stick my non-human degeneracy outside of where I'm "allowed" to post as a non-human writer*), it's a well-written story where I tried some new styles and voice, and the comments have been some of my favorite. That's fucking nifty.

*Non-human stories that are posted outside Non-Human, SF&F, and Erotic Horror tend to get dinged, though Non-Erotic and Novels & Novellas seems a bit more lenient than other categories about it. I've seen comments when non-human writers post in Erotic Couplings or Romance, and it's not pretty.
 
I go on serenely doing my thing while so many authors seem constantly to be in a tizzy because somebody voted their story down from 4.91 to 4.87 and cry, "Oh my god, my story isn't at the top of the toplist and now I have no chance of the success I so richly deserve!"

You deserve nothing. You deserve nothing other than what the Literotica readership chooses to give you. If you want to write for your own purposes, fine! That's great. But don't expect the Literotica readership to value your muse the way you do.
Additionally, I find it interesting when folks make it about what they do or do not deserve.

Deserve got nothin' to do with it. Writing isn't about getting what you deserve. Clout isn't about what you deserve. That's a weird angle to come at it from.
 
I mean, 15 months is a decent amount of time to accumulate clout. At least, if you're posting consistently.
I reckon it takes two or three years to get real traction.
I'm aware red Hs aren't that significant.
They are, though. If a story gets a Red H in the first few days, it will do demonstrably better than the title next to it, that doesn't.
And obviously a 0.4 score difference probably isn't going to affect view counts either. However, I'm not convinced that anyone can just show up, throw down a story, and get a ton of votes and likes on it without spending time building a following, promoting, making connections, or getting really lucky.
Depends which side of the Red H it's on.

Stories matter, promotion and connections don't make much of a difference, from what I can see. Readers are strange - I'm getting a trickle of new followers from somewhere, but I have no idea where they're coming from, as I haven't published anything new for a while. Sure, when I do, I'll get an uptick in traffic, but in between stories, I have no idea how/where readers are finding my catalogue. Complete silence on that. It would be nice if someone dropped by once in a while and told me.
The rabbitholes are dumb. I think it's time and consistent posting. And the strength of the stories factors in, too.
I agree, time and steady material make a difference, obviously, but spending time on "Figuring out what readers want" is a complete waste of time - unless you're a churn it out single category writer, but then, I don't think those folk agonise about it.
 
Additionally, I find it interesting when folks make it about what they do or do not deserve.

Deserve got nothin' to do with it. Writing isn't about getting what you deserve. Clout isn't about what you deserve. That's a weird angle to come at it from.
It's not that strange an angle. I've met a LOT of entitled writers, mentored a few, crushed their ego by letting them know they weren't the hot shit they thought they were (got me a yelling at by one). Some people think they're God's gift to writing, and get pissed off when even a single person shatters that illusion, whether that's somebody offering anything other than dick-sucking praise of their dumb short story or somebody daring to give them anything less than a 5 and rave comments on Lit. I'm talking generalities, not anybody in particular: it's a common enough phenomena.
 
I agree, time and steady material make a difference, obviously, but spending time on "Figuring out what readers want" is a complete waste of time - unless you're a churn it out single category writer, but then, I don't think those folk agonise about it.
It's helpful for us niche people to know the community. But I still maintain that you write what you want to write, and not force a story just to pander. It can help shape the idea to know what works best in the space, or, conversely, help you write subversions — which is what I'm working up to as I build up my writing muscles with more normative stories; I have one such subversion, not counting the fact I'm using species that don't normally show up in this space, but have several more in store.
 
In the video linked here, the reclusive artist known as "Banksy" set up a table outside Central Park. His study was aimed at seeing how many of his art pieces he could sell for $60 each if the people didn't recognize who had created them.

You need to recognize that entire walls of buildings have been stolen by people in order to get a Banksy painting but his identity has been a well kept secret.

On this day in NYC, he sold a total of $480. (I understand that the next day, each purchaser received an e-mail with a certificate of authenticity for their original Banksy work. Some sold their pieces for hundreds of thousands.)

Imagine how much he would have sold at $60 (worth at least $20K each) if the people knew who he was and what they would be getting.

So, my question is, "How much do you think that anonymity affects the value of your works in the eyes of readers?"

I'm not referring just to them knowing your name. How would readers knowing more about you in general influence your credibility or recognition as a writer, and do you ever consider this when compiling your profile on here? Your education level, other writing experiences, etc.

I know that I hadn't considered it myself. What about you?


Not a fan of real life trolls stalking me, so quite happy with the anonymity.
 
Stories matter, promotion and connections don't make much of a difference, from what I can see. Readers are strange - I'm getting a trickle of new followers from somewhere, but I have no idea where they're coming from, as I haven't published anything new for a while. Sure, when I do, I'll get an uptick in traffic, but in between stories, I have no idea how/where readers are finding my catalogue. Complete silence on that. It would be nice if someone dropped by once in a while and told me.
From what I've seen, promotion helps. Some of the biggest authors I've seen have huge followings on Twitter and other sites. I can't imagine that makes little difference to their Lit viewership.
I agree, time and steady material make a difference, obviously, but spending time on "Figuring out what readers want" is a complete waste of time - unless you're a churn it out single category writer, but then, I don't think those folk agonise about it.
I wouldn't say it's a complete waste of time. Stories that don't appeal to the readers of the relevant category don't get high ratings. Stories that piss off readers of a relevant category get low ratings. Getting low ratings can hinder growth and increase the amount of time it takes to get clout.
 
From what I've seen, promotion helps. Some of the biggest authors I've seen have huge followings on Twitter and other sites. I can't imagine that makes little difference to their Lit viewership.

I wouldn't say it's a complete waste of time. Stories that don't appeal to the readers of the relevant category don't get high ratings. Stories that piss off readers of a relevant category get low ratings. Getting low ratings can hinder growth and increase the amount of time it takes to get clout.
I agree 100%. The theme of the story for the majority of the readers is more important than the construction. If the reader doesn't vibe with the theme, more than likely the rating will be lower.
 
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