They've got it bad, so bad for Hillary

[KingOrfeo]

. . . JFK was a bootlegging socialist.

Personally I think he was assassinated because he was 'dangerously' left.

How does that make sense?! Oswald was a commie. He hated JFK because JFK wouldn't leave Cuba alone.

BTW quite a few of the greatest POTUS's in our history were NOT career politician lawyers, they were military. Including LBJ and JFK.

Both of whom were also pols before they reached the presidency. U.S. Grant was not, and he made a hot mess of it. Ike did OK, but he was fortunate in his times.

 

[BotanyBoy]

His family history put off a lot of folks in D.C. weather you want to admit it or not.

How does that make sense?! Oswald was a commie. He hated JFK because JFK wouldn't leave Cuba alone.

In 60's America if you didn't want to go kick some viet ass....you were a pacifist dick sucking homosexual COMMUNIST!!

And JFK wasn't all that gung ho' about fucking with Vietnam....and that made hundreds of billions of dollars VERY unhappy.

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Both of whom were also pols before they reached the presidency. U.S. Grant was not, and he made a hot mess of it. Ike did OK, but he was fortunate in his times.

But they were not career politicians.

If a community organizer turned Jr. Senator who hasn't done SHIT can do it....there is no reason why someone else who's been involved enough in the government be it from civilian side or military even can't.

 

[KingOrfeo]

In 60's America if you didn't want to go kick some viet ass....you were a pacifist dick sucking homosexual COMMUNIST!!

And JFK wasn't all that gung ho' about fucking with Vietnam....and that made hundreds of billions of dollars VERY unhappy.

So what's that got to do with Oswald? He was a commie, he didn't care what billionaires wanted.

 

[BotanyBoy]

So what's that got to do with Oswald? He was a commie, he didn't care what billionaires wanted.

I think the non shooting fuck Oswald didn't score those shots free wheeling that piece of shit.....I think he was a patsy.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I think the non shooting fuck Oswald didn't score those shots free wheeling that piece of shit.....I think he was a patsy.

So whodunit?

 

[BotanyBoy]

So whodunit?

IDK but I've watched all the video publicly available, watched several documentaries and read a couple books on it.

Lots of shady bullshit surrounding the whole ordeal from the time they landed in AF1 all the way up to the burial.

Way to much bullshit for me to just buy the "savant shooting goober did it, Case closed, stop asking questions" story at face value.

 

[KingOrfeo]

IDK but I've watched all the video publicly available, watched several documentaries and read a couple books on it.

Lots of shady bullshit surrounding the whole ordeal from the time they landed in AF1 all the way up to the burial.

Way to much bullshit for me to just buy the "savant shooting goober did it, Case closed, stop asking questions" story at face value.

I must admit Oswald's own assassination, shortly after his arrest, by Jack Ruby (a guy with known Mob ties) does raise grounds for suspicion -- but not much else does, IMO.

FWIW, RationalWiki sez:

Reality

Lee Harvey Oswald did it.

Why? It was due to a lack of bowling alleys and nightclubs. No, really.[10] More immediately, he hung out with Castro sympathizers in Mexico City during his unsuccessful attempt to get a Cuban visa, some of whom voiced the opinion that Kennedy should be killed in retaliation for his attempts to have Castro assassinated.[11]

Oh, and the KGB spread many of the other conspiracy theories, because they knew that given the climate of the time, the Soviet Union was likely to be blamed and they wanted to mitigate that to some extent — it appears to have worked more than they ever imagined. They knew fairly early on that American intelligence didn't believe they were involved, but if the American public was to hold a widespread belief that the Kremlin had Kennedy killed, not only would the door be open for retaliation (some nutjob shooting up Soviet embassies, for example) but it could cause the public to press for war. If declassified Soviet materials are to be believed, they were just as surprised as the Americans by the assassination.[12]

The "magic bullet" theory that so often pops up among the conspiracy theories is also based off the seating of the people in the car, Kennedy included. However, if one actually looks at the seating arrangements in the car, then the theory, and any that expand on the idea, are defunct instantly. The theories claim that Governor Connally was sitting in front of Kennedy, and that this proves that Kennedy couldn't have been shot by Oswald. In reality, Kennedy was in front, and Connally behind him on the right-hand side, and in the path of Oswald's shot. Indeed, the entire thing can be disproved by the way everyone was sitting when Kennedy was shot.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I must admit Oswald's own assassination, shortly after his arrest, by Jack Ruby (a guy with known Mob ties) does raise grounds for suspicion -- but not much else does, IMO.

FWIW, RationalWiki sez:

None of that explains the fuckity wound trajectories.

That's the big kicker for me.

How is the exit wound out the back of his head when Oswald supposedly shot him from a rear elevated position??

Dig into the deets (or super convenient lack there of) there is a lot more that doesn't add up....

 

[mark_j]

Not, I hope, until after they had been through some kind of officer-training program, at least superficially covering all the "technical bullshit."

Obviously you know nothing about squad level tactics... Even the lowest level corporal or NCO has working knowledge of such things..

 

[werwolf]

LBJ was more effective because he was a good ol' boy from Tejas and JFK was a bootlegging socialist. Personally I think he was assassinated because he was 'dangerously' left.

BTW quite a few of the greatest POTUS's in our history were NOT career politician lawyers, they were military. Including LBJ and JFK.

Hardly. Back in 1960, there were more similarities between the two parties than differences. JFK actually ran to the right of Nixon in 1960 when it came to foreign policy and was a reliable centrist in the party when it came to economic issues. And JFK was shot by a young man with mental issues that spent time in the Soviet Union and admired Communism. I don't know what happened for sure-but I don't think people want to accept that some lone man could literally wreck the nation and cause so much grief, hence the conspiracy theories.

Now, LBJ, that man was literally one of a kind in his ability to push legislation through. He called it from 1964-1966 "My Congress" for a reason. I will confess it was not least because he was Southern-I think that was kind of the domestic policy version of Nixon in China. However, that's not all-it's because literally nobody knew how Congress worked better and he had a decade of being the Senate enforcer under his belt. Nobody who was not named Lyndon Johnson was getting the Civil Rights Act or the Voting Rights Act past the Dixiecrats, and even he needed a boost or two from the assassination.

LBJ pretty much did his service to stamp his ticket for politics-one trip out to the front and back. JFK did spend time out there, as is well known.

 

[JackLuis]

I must admit Oswald's own assassination, shortly after his arrest, by Jack Ruby (a guy with known Mob ties) does raise grounds for suspicion -- but not much else does, IMO.

FWIW, RationalWiki sez:

The theories claim that Governor Connally was sitting in front of Kennedy, and that this proves that Kennedy couldn't have been shot by Oswald. In reality, Kennedy was in front, and Connally behind him on the right-hand side, and in the path of Oswald's shot. Indeed, the entire thing can be disproved by the way everyone was sitting when Kennedy was shot.

WRONG! Connally was seated in the front seat. Watch the Zparuder film. Just because it's called Rationalwiki, doesn't mean it is.

The CIA offed Kennedy for threatening their heroin connections in Laos.

9/11 was a real estate scam, but helped GWB become a "War President", so he helped in the cover up so he could take down Saddam.

All the rest is smoke an mirrors.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Hardly. Back in 1960, there were more similarities between the two parties than differences.

So?

Doesn't change the fact that Kennedy quickly made enemies of the anti commie crowd when he didn't want to go all gunz a blazin into Vietnam.

You can call "conspiracy theory" all you like but the video and autopsy photos don't lie, the man was shot from the front, an impossible angle from where the most trick shot sniper to have ever walked the earth, Oswald, was supposedly shooting from.

LBJ pretty much did his service to stamp his ticket for politics-one trip out to the front and back. JFK did spend time out there, as is well known.

How is that possible! ONLY professional politicians who been born for politickin' should be allowed to hold office.

Only those born elite!! Carrying a name like Clinton are qualified, it's impossible for the lower cast of society to possibly poltic!! Everyone is relegated to one skill set from birth and it can NEVER change, every good Hillary backing supporter will gladly tell you as much.

 

[hazbeen]

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[KingOrfeo]

The CIA offed Kennedy for threatening their heroin connections in Laos.

Why would the CIA want heroin connections in Laos?

 

[JackLuis]

Why would the CIA want heroin connections in Laos?

Money, political leverage, money and of course the skim. Same as the Noriaga fiasco.

 

[RjThoughts]

The Catholic side of the family NEVER believed the "lone gunman" the Warren Commission put through.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Why would the CIA want heroin connections in Laos?

Same reason they wanted cocaine from Colombia in the 80-90's and heroine from Afghanistan 01-present.

Isn't it convenient that a bunch of 3rd world farmers became the OVERNIGHT heroine supplier to 2/3 the planet and 3/4 of America after the US went in? It was really 2 months, but that is practically over night to globally dominate an entire drug trade.

Escobar, Griselda Blanco, el Chapo, Noriega not a single one of the richest most powerful drug lords to have ever walked the planet even come close to the Afghani heroine guys....that the US doesn't go after at all, EVER.

You know how those 3rd world guys have world class logistics and transportation that just BLOW by US customs all day every day right?

LOL.....biggest street drug traffickers on the planet? US government. No one else comes close.

The Catholic side of the family NEVER believed the "lone gunman" the Warren Commission put through.

Because it doesn't add up for anyone that doesn't have just a totally unwavering faith that the government would NEVER lie in their reports.....

That means KO and a few others.

IDK what happened, but I find it highly, HIGHLY improbable a shit shot goober like Oswald pulled off the most trick sniper job EVER with magical trajectory changing rounds that loop around and hit targets from the OTHER directing and all....

 

[mark_j]

IDK what happened, but I find it highly, HIGHLY improbable a shit shot goober like Oswald pulled off the most trick sniper job EVER with magical trajectory changing rounds that loop around and hit targets from the OTHER directing and all....

The Warren Commission got it partially right.. There was a documentary I watched a few months back on NetFlix that was done by a guy who was a forensic ballistics expert out of Arizona.

One of the conclusions he came up with was that the positions of Kennedy and Connelly were not diagrammed correctly. Kennedy was sitting higher up on the rear seat to the outboard (right) side of the limo. Connelly was lower and slightly inboard of Kennedy. When the wound trajectories of the shot that hit Kennedy and Connelly were lined up according to the actual seating positions they matched the wound paths as reported.

There was no magic bullet. One single shot passed directly through both Kennedy and Connelly following the straight line from the depository window.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The Warren Commission got it partially right.. There was a documentary I watched a few months back on NetFlix that was done by a guy who was a forensic ballistics expert out of Arizona.

One of the conclusions he came up with was that the positions of Kennedy and Connelly were not diagrammed correctly. Kennedy was sitting higher up on the rear seat to the outboard (right) side of the limo. Connelly was lower and slightly inboard of Kennedy. When the wound trajectories of the shot that hit Kennedy and Connelly were lined up according to the actual seating positions they matched the wound paths as reported.

There was no magic bullet. One single shot passed directly through both Kennedy and Connelly following the straight line from the depository window.

Yea I've seen that.

But that ain't the shot that sends up all the red flags of "Hey wait a second, there some BUUUU shit going on here."

The solo head shot that snapped his head back (towards the depository) and blew the back of his head off is the "wtf?" shot. If a shooter scored a head shot from the depository it should have blown his face/jaw off. Not the other way around.

 

[RjThoughts]

Same reason they wanted cocaine from Colombia in the 80-90's and heroine from Afghanistan 01-present.

Isn't it convenient that a bunch of 3rd world farmers became the OVERNIGHT heroine supplier to 2/3 the planet and 3/4 of America after the US went in? It was really 2 months, but that is practically over night to globally dominate an entire drug trade.

Escobar, Griselda Blanco, el Chapo, Noriega not a single one of the richest most powerful drug lords to have ever walked the planet even come close to the Afghani heroine guys....that the US doesn't go after at all, EVER.

You know how those 3rd world guys have world class logistics and transportation that just BLOW by US customs all day every day right?

LOL.....biggest street drug traffickers on the planet? US government. No one else comes close.



Because it doesn't add up for anyone that doesn't have just a totally unwavering faith that the government would NEVER lie in their reports.....

That means KO and a few others.

IDK what happened, but I find it highly, HIGHLY improbable a shit shot goober like Oswald pulled off the most trick sniper job EVER with magical trajectory changing rounds that loop around and hit targets from the OTHER directing and all....

The other half of the family are hunters. The thought that a shot from behind blow OUT the back of his head is laughable to them. Exit wounds are much larger than enter ones!

 

[KingOrfeo]

I'm reminded of the Kennedy-assassination subplot in Illuminatus!: JFK is targeted by five assassins, all there in Dallas on the same day, but serving different organizations and/or agendas, and completely unaware of each others' presence -- except for John Dillinger (one of several John Dillingers, they were secretly quintuplets), who went to Dallas with the intent of taking out the others and saving Kennedy, but, finding there are more assassins present than he had anticipated, judges that saving him is impossible, and decides to shoot JFK himself and throw an added element of mystery/confusion into the story -- and then a fifth gunman not even Dillinger had spotted beats him to the punch, and that one is just a resentful lone crank who sold his stock in a space-related company the day before JFK announced his intention of putting a man on the Moon.

 

[mark_j]

Yea I've seen that.

But that ain't the shot that sends up all the red flags of "Hey wait a second, there some BUUUU shit going on here."

The solo head shot that snapped his head back (towards the depository) and blew the back of his head off is the "wtf?" shot. If a shooter scored a head shot from the depository it should have blown his face/jaw off. Not the other way around.

Not at the angle it hit... It hit far right of center and took the side of the skull off. There were some other folks who did tests with auto test dummies and ballistic gel. They fired the same type of rifle and rounds at the same distance/angle an got the same up and to the left torque effect...

The other half of the family are hunters. The thought that a shot from behind blow OUT the back of his head is laughable to them. Exit wounds are much larger than enter ones!

But it didn't really... it cracked off the right side of the skull from back to front. There's been enough people who have studied the photo's and descriptions that they have concluded that the head shot hit back of the skull and traveled back to front. Plus if the shot had come from anywhere else there would not have been the blood spatter on the front windshield consistent with a shot from the rear.

Was there some sort of conspiracy behind all of it? Could be.. we don't know if Oswald just a lone maniac and was the actual shooter or if someone else was the shooter and Oswald was framed. Then Ruby was sent in to silence Oswald. There are just way to many questions as far as this stuff goes.

The ballistics, in my opinion and based on all the various studies, supports the lone gunman from the depository window.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Not at the angle it hit... It hit far left of center and took the side of the skull off. There were some other folks who did tests with auto test dummies and ballistic gel. They fired the same type of rifle and rounds at the same distance/angle an got the same up and to the left torque effect...



But it didn't really... it cracked off the left side of the skull from back to front.

That only holds up if you stick with the warren commissions report and ignore everything the doctors in Parkland hospital observed and reported.

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[KingOrfeo]

The ballistics, in my opinion and based on all the various studies, supports the lone gunman from the depository window.

I dunno, I've read that an alternate interpretation of those same studies supports Professor Plum in the library with the candlestick.

 

[RjThoughts]

We'll probably never know what really happened: Jack Ruby's "I killed him so Jackie wouldn't have to endure a trial" execution of Oswald took care of that.