fr33ks33k
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Thinkings, feelings and...doings ~ 2013
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thestruggle
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Likely story...
Oh, ho. You just wait, Mr Smarty Pants.
fr33ks33k
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thestruggle
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BornYesterday
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Thinking: that I should do something productive
Feeling: like I don't want to do anything productive
Doing: nothing productive
Feeling: like I don't want to do anything productive
Doing: nothing productive
Daydream_weaver
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Thinking: Wonder if there's anything sweet in the kitchen...
Feeling: Listless
Doing: Watching Deathly Hallows pt 2
Feeling: Listless
Doing: Watching Deathly Hallows pt 2
Miss_Vivi
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OMFG. Yes!
Light Ice
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This second half of the season really fixed a couple character threads for me. Carol, Tyrese, Rick, Carl, and Mischonne all seem to be relatable as people again.
thestruggle
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I had to record the last few episodes. Seeing Judith out in all that just made me super nervous. I'll watch it soon.
prettyserpentine
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OMG it was so good.
Tess, I can't believe you haven't seen it yet! The last couple of episodes were amaze-balls.
Tess, I can't believe you haven't seen it yet! The last couple of episodes were amaze-balls.
thestruggle
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I believe you! I just get so freaked out about kids in dangerous situations. Especially babies. So what, I'm sentimental. You all heard nothing!
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Miss_Vivi
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Epic Walking Dead Reply- Bubbles close your eyes.
Agreed. And it's like Rick's edge is back after all that weirdness with his wife and the phone calls and farming..
Judith and those girls... those girls.. holy shit.
QFT
We all heard it, pretty pants.
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I will say this.. I'm so fucking glad the governor is gone. Fuck that took them forever to kill him off!
Agreed. And it's like Rick's edge is back after all that weirdness with his wife and the phone calls and farming..
Judith and those girls... those girls.. holy shit.
QFT
We all heard it, pretty pants.
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I will say this.. I'm so fucking glad the governor is gone. Fuck that took them forever to kill him off!
thestruggle
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Yeah, it gets to be hard to watch. And haha.
I'm also glad he's gone. I get why they pursued the story with him but I'm also like, was that really necessary?
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I argue he should still be around. Only they should have pursued the redemption story line.
They always focus on people falling apart and regressing to ugliness. They never show that people with ugly beginnings would have a chance to start fresh in this world. Meryl was the ideal chance to show that storyline but they had his redemption take the form of a stupid suicide run.
That was a huge missed opportunity.
Miss_Vivi
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Nope the governor had to be the polar opposite from Rick. Yin and yang as it were. But you are getting the redemption story from the one sister who lived.
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Not as good. She was still a functional human prior apocalypse. The idea that I'm after works best with Meryl. As a writer, if you're doing yin and yang, then you need an interior antagonist. An example would be on Firefly - the guy who always said what everyone was thinking but was too polite to say. He drove Mal crazy.
Meryl could have been that guy. Here's a guy who was a criminal, a scumbag, prior to and during the beginning of the apocalypse. It would have been a really nice arc to see him turn it around, reclaim his humanity, and make good on the fresh start the apocalypse provided to him. In return we'd have had those amazing scenes were he consistently provokes Rick. Also, while Rick descends further to looney tunes (at that point in the show) we have the unsettling realization that Meryl is a little bit more reliable.
It works. It works really well. And the actor that played Meryl had enough charisma to pull that part off really, really well.
Instead, just as we're beginning to see that Meryl could turn it around and I begin to look forward to episode after episode of him punking Rick (until Rick gets his shit together) they have him do something completely against his character. Suddenly, for Meryl, redemption means to hell with survival and to hell with actually contributing. It means some crazy, doomed to fail suicide run in which he accomplishes very very little for the story but is neatly, and dramatically, disposed of.
I think the Governor could have been interesting as a good guy. Back and forth with Rick. The tension in the group would have been so good to watch. But, in a way, I do agree he was a poor choice for a redemption storyline. We just haven't really had one. The idea that a good person makes a mistake and redeems themselves is really a cop out compared to the idea of a bad person seeing the destroyed ruins of the world as a fresh start and remaking himself.
One has bold and scary implications on the way we approach good and bad people. The other is traditional and easier. I'd like to see the former.
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Darryl fits that criteria, but his story is sort of muted. He was a total badass when he hung with Meryl pre appocalypse, still a bad ass now but as he said, before he was nothing, this gave him a chance to be someone worthwhile
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Agree, but we never really saw the change. Darryl was a good guy from basically the third episode of the show. He just automatically became a good guy. We would have had to watch Meryl go through the painful process of redeeming himself. So, while I kind of agree with your point, my only argument is that we never saw Darryl's change.
He was sad about his brother, accepted his brother was dead, and was part of the group. That was about it. Not much of a change to really watch.
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Further, we never saw Darryl be bad. That makes it hard to really connect with his transformation. With Meryl - well, we saw him be one of the very worst on the show for a period of time. It'd have carried more weight and intrigue to watch him turn himself around.
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But at it's heart the Walking Dead is a monster story. We are surrounded by monsters and yet they are never as scary as the living. We just watched Rick rip out a man's neck with his teeth and we cheered. He is a monster, Rick is at his best when he is making us question our own morals in that he has always been a more "lawful good" character, he easily transforms to "lawful evil" and that is his baliwick.
The final scene in the series finale? We are reunited with most of the cast. Awesome. But there are two sides. On one side stands Rick, Michonne, Darryl and Carl, on the other is Glenn, Maggie and crew. Glenn and Maggie are good. But on the side where Rick stands, they are ALL monsters, we have reason to fear them, fear for them, and cheer them on when they create evil for the "right" purposes.
A redemption story doesn't fit where everyone is measuring their own degree of humanity.
The final scene in the series finale? We are reunited with most of the cast. Awesome. But there are two sides. On one side stands Rick, Michonne, Darryl and Carl, on the other is Glenn, Maggie and crew. Glenn and Maggie are good. But on the side where Rick stands, they are ALL monsters, we have reason to fear them, fear for them, and cheer them on when they create evil for the "right" purposes.
A redemption story doesn't fit where everyone is measuring their own degree of humanity.
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Anyone else having messages that show up late for no reason? My PMs are getting delayed or something.
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