Thoughts on a "List of Ingredients" in story notes?

[gunhilltrain]

People often don't see tags before reading the story. Many don't even know that you can do so.

The way the site is set up, it may be hard to catch the tags which are over on the right and below the end of the story. I sometimes have to remind myself where they are.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Hey, everybody!

Yesterday I received an upsetting reader comment on my most recent story. It's fine, I processed it with a couple of other writers I trust, I wrote a response that I feel pretty good about, though my comment hasn't been approved yet. (Edited for clarity)

But the comment made me think long and hard about how to ensure my readers don't get blindsided by story content that they might not want to engage with, or that might be triggering to them. I'm not looking to censor myself, I'm going to try and tell the story that I want to tell. But I also don't want to cause any harm to a reader!

I want to make a batch of peanut butter cookies, but I don't want to give somebody an allergic reaction.

I think I'm going to start including a brief content warning in my author's notes at the top of each story, and I'm thinking about it in terms of an "Ingredients List" like you'd find at a nice restaurant. Not making any assumptions about the patron's tastes, preferences, or allergies, just giving them enough information to make an informed decision for themselves.

What I'm wondering is, how much detail is the right amount for an Ingredients List? Some obvious ones to me would be things like dom/sub content, types of sex acts being performed, sex/gender combinations in a scene, and what I would think of as significant kink or fetish content.

But how much is too much, and how much is not enough? What are some elements that might not occur to most people, but could be a real problem for some readers? Does anyone have a system or practice that they like to use for this sort of thing?

I don't want to spoiler the story for readers either, any tips for providing "nutrition information" without spoiling the meal?

I guess you mean Chapter 5, the second comment down? "Don't ever write a chapter like this again." That is amazingly arrogant even by the loose standards of anonymous comments here. I doubt it's worth engaging people like that. There are a few who will write things like that, they are always around. You are not obligated to have to explain yourself to them.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

Sometimes when I'm working on a thing, I'll need to run a power cord across the floor. If I tell somebody "mind the cord", that's still not an apology - even though I put the cord there - nor an attempt to butter them up. It's simply an expression of my desire to help other people avoid a nasty fall.

That's not the best analogy though, because when we write a story we actually want the reader to be surprised by a pitfall here and there. It's part of the fun of reading. Except for stroke readers who are the ones who largely drive the score and aren't interested in your story, only your kinks, so the warning protects the score.

Why do people re-read stories they've already read?

Okay, now you're just playing dumb for the sake of it.

And I'll say that I use tags both ways. If there is a tag that indicates something I'm not interested in, I'll move on. The author was not providing a warning, simply listing content. And frankly, if an author can't be bothered to tag at all, I debate even opening the story (though many times I will anyway).

This makes no sense whatsoever. First, no one is arguing that warnings are needed because authors don't tag. Everybody tags. Second, you can't know that the story is untagged until you open it, silly. : P

The point too, is that tags promote the kinks in your story. You're not using them to warn people, you're not seconding guessing what they don't like. That's their job, not mine.

Exactly. If I tag my story street gangs and someone isn't into violence, then I don't need to put a violence warning at the top of the story. If the reader gets upset that they came across a gunfight in a story tagged with street gangs, FUCK their DUMB ASS! But then again, that moron of epic proportion who needs their fucking hand held might give you a 1 for it, so you better put the warning on to protect your precious score. ; )

 

[Bramblethorn]

That's not the best analogy though, because when we write a story we actually want the reader to be surprised by a pitfall here and there. It's part of the fun of reading.

Sure. Surprise is a useful storytelling tool, and one that I've used in several of my stories on this site. But it's one thing, not THE thing. Not every story needs a big twist any more than every story needs a dragon or a mom-sits-on-son's-lap scene. It can very easily become one of those "it's a Technique, and real authors use Techniques, therefore I should put it in every story" traps.

I've seen more stories on this site spoiled by a "gotta have a surprise ending" mentality than by content warnings. I'm not even talking squick content there - I mean stories where the self-imposed need to surprise the readers was allowed to get in the way of characterisation, credible plots, and/or the ideas the author was trying to convey. That's rarely a good trade-off.

In the cases where the surprise is appropriate to the story and handled effectively...very often it isn't the kind of thing that would be likely to draw a content warning anyway. The Sixth Sense, The Usual Suspects, The Prestige, The Wasp Factory - every one of those stories is known for having a twist ending. But I could write a pretty thorough set of CWs for any of them without coming close to giving away the big reveal.

Are there times when content warnings and well-employed surprise do come into conflict? Sure, occasionally it happens, and then the author needs to decide which one is more important for that story. But the fact that two things occasionally conflict doesn't mean either thing is worthless and stupid, it just means that sometimes worthwhile things conflict with one another.

(Ao3, which has much more of a content-warning culture than Literotica, also has a good option for handling those conflicts: the "Author Chose Not To Use Warnings" flag.)

Except for stroke readers who are the ones who largely drive the score and aren't interested in your story, only your kinks, so the warning protects the score.

Probably does, but that doesn't mean it's every person's reason for doing it. Ao3 doesn't have story scores, and I still include content warnings there; in fact, I CW slightly more on that site than I do on Lit, because it's a different audience with different expectations.

Okay, now you're just playing dumb for the sake of it.

It was a Socratic question; I know the answer, but I was encouraging somebody else to think about it.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

I've seen more stories on this site spoiled by a "gotta have a surprise ending" mentality than by content warnings.

No. I don't believe you at all. I've read enough here to know that that's not true.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

Probably does, but that doesn't mean it's every person's reason for doing it. Ao3 doesn't have story scores, and I still include content warnings there; in fact, I CW slightly more on that site than I do on Lit, because it's a different audience with different expectations.

This isn't Ao3. If there is no feedback at all on Ao3 you would have a bit of a point there, but scores or not, people largely write for audience approval, bouquets and applause, and in place of scores, that's what the warning protects.

And also, this argument of "you can't know my intentions," just doesn't carry. It's a last grasp argument and a lost cause. First, I can figure out your (the author's) intentions with 90% accuracy so close enough to draw a general conclusion of the phenomenon upon the statistical population, and second, the intentions don't matter. The effect does. Just like my nuke tech example above. Even if your intention is not to protect the score, it still does protect that score and feedback from the majority of the readership and still downgrades the value of the read for the rest.

We're going to use paper money from now on. But paper money does not hold the same value as precious metals and also can easily be counterfeited. Don't worry, the intention of paper money is only for ease of use, not to be devalued or counterfeited. And of course we know that the world is full of devalued and counterfeited paper money, more than we could ever count. The intentions are meaningless. Only the effect matters.

 

[summer_reine]

I appreciate 'trigger warnings' in the books I read and appreciate an author making an effort to mention them beyond the few tags we are allowed to use. I think they can be fairly broad, someone who might be upset by certain activites will know the general terms they stay away from.

 

[mildlyaroused]

I'll never understand the argument that forewords "spoil" things or take away from the reading experience. Obviously they can, if you write a full WIWAW in your foreword, but having a little indicator which says "this includes race play" or "this includes [insert hardcore kink]" doesn't spoil things any more than the tags everyone includes on their stories already do. The very fact that this is an erotica website means you know, generally speaking, what you're getting into with 99% of the stories you read. Following this particular anti-foreword logic, we could say the category of each story spoils its contents - because technically it does, to a certain extent.

I don't understand why anyone's enjoyment of a particular story would be affected by them knowing certain hardcore kinks or sensitive content will occur before they read the thing. Maybe that's on me as a reader, and I know others may think differently - but I think these people are in the minority. I respect all you people who stand by no forewords, but I don't respect this "spoilers" line of reasoning.

Obviously there are exceptions. On principle, I'm against disclaimers that say "I promise this is a HEA story!!!" or "It's a slow burn, but I promise there's lots of sex!!!", but these are fundamentally different to forewords which warn readers about extreme kinks or content which might offend/turn off a portion of readers. It's not fair to bundle these two types of foreword into one camp.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

I'll never understand the argument that forewords "spoil" things or take away from the reading experience. Obviously they can, if you write a full WIWAW in your foreword, but having a little indicator which says "this includes race play" or "this includes [insert hardcore kink]" doesn't spoil things any more than the tags everyone includes on their stories already do. The very fact that this is an erotica website means you know, generally speaking, what you're getting into with 99% of the stories you read. Following this particular anti-foreword logic, we could say the category of each story spoils its contents - because technically it does, to a certain extent. I don't understand why anyone's enjoyment of a particular story would be affected by them knowing certain hardcore kinks or sensitive content will occur before they read the thing.

How is "This story contains a hardcore DP scene," not spoiling the DP scene when you get to it?

Your examples of 'race play' and 'hardcore kink' are easily covered in tags - in fact would likely be already in categories for those things, therefore the warning slug is redundant, 100%. You may think that doesn't hurt the story but it does. 70% of your audience won't care about that warning, but then 25% of your audience will see it as an apology for something that they might not like. It's terrible vibe for a first impression.

Why would you downgrade the experience for 25% of your audience with a redundancy that the other 70% won't care about? To protect the scores from the 5% that might hurt your scores and feedback. That's all.

 

[sinfantasy]

No. I don't believe you at all. I've read enough here to know that that's not true.

I've seen more stories on this site spoiled by a "gotta have a surprise ending" mentality than by content warnings.

I believe there are mixed opinions on this. In my latest story, I tried to hide the gender of a character and use it as a plot twist in the end. While I believed it would be a nice happy surprise, I can tell it was not received well by a lot of readers.

Another reason for negative feedback on the story was for the persona of my FMC, which is fundamental to the story. Yes, she was manipulative and playful but not cruel. I don't believe she deserved the hate I received in the comments. While many appreciated the character, there was a bunch who hated her guts. I guess you can't make all of your readers happy

Once, I received negative feedback on using the tag BTB incorrectly. Now, L/W category is a contradiction in itself and some believe BTB is a scorched earth policy, nothing short will make them happy.

I guess the only positive perspective I can take from it is to improve my writing quality to make such elements blend well for readers.

 

[mildlyaroused]

How is "This story contains a hardcore DP scene," not spoiling the DP scene when you get to it?

Your examples of 'race play' and 'hardcore kink' are easily covered in tags - in fact would likely be already in categories for those things, therefore the warning slug is redundant, 100%. You may think that doesn't hurt the story but it does. 70% of your audience won't care about that warning, but then 25% of your audience will see it as an apology for something that they might not like. It's terrible vibe for a first impression.

Why would you downgrade the experience for 25% of your audience with a redundancy that the other 70% won't care about? To protect the scores from the 5% that might hurt your scores and feedback. That's all.

I'll give you most of this. What I disagree with is the statistics. I'd be shocked if 25% of Lit readers thought that deeply about the story they were reading. Let's face it: most people here are just trying to get off to something hot, and they're not focusing on the literary merit of what they're reading. We AH members are an unusually intellectual bunch...

I think our differences lie mostly not in the objective facts of how forewords might influence readers, but in how much we think those influences actually matter. I wouldn't personally care if I knew what "hardcore kinks" were included in a story on this site, because as a reader (and an author) I care much more about how a narrative is handled rather than what objective events exist in that narrative. (I'm also drunk, and you, Ms Pink Silk Glove, are a mighty opponent to argue with at the best of times. I respect you a lot despite our differences).

 

[ElectricBlue]

(I'm also drunk, and you, Ms Pink Silk Glove, are a mighty opponent to argue with at the best of times. I respect you a lot despite our differences).

I thought no-one would dare do a re-make of Casablanca. Perhaps I'm wrong!

 

[BobbyBrandt]

The only notes to readers that I provide is advice that the story contains no sex, and that it is long. Both allow them to harmlessly leave the story immediately.

IMO, the challenges we face with triggering acts are first, the context, and secondly, the comprehension.

If I read an "ingredient list" that included vanilla and cumin, it would mean little to me. If it listed one cup of vanilla and one pinch of cumin, that might tell me more but still make me question how the two different tastes could produce anything I would enjoy.

The same theory holds true for kinks in many cases. Unless you are prepared to give out the entire "recipe" in a writer's note, you are still relying upon the reader comprehending the kink in your presented context.

 

[Katie_Mae]

Why should the writer spoil the story for everyone else just because someone with a suicide trigger carelessly jumps into a depression story?

As a reader, I would rather have a story "spoilt" than have another reader kill themselves because they didn't know they were jumping into a depression story. This is because the death or harm of another person is more important than my own fleeting feeling of surprise.

I think the reason that a writer should "spoil" a story for everyone else by indicating if it contains dark and troublesome themes is because the death or harm of another person is more important than the fleeting feeling of surprise.

As a writer, if I were to put an author's note like:

This story contains themes that some readers may find distressing, including death, abuse and suicide. Please take care while reading and prioritise your well-being.

Your life matters. If you are struggling, you don’t have to face it alone. Help is available. In [location], you can contact...
For international readers... etc

And someone complained that it "spoilt" the story, then gee... I'd love to find out what story they were enjoying currently and ACTUALLY spoil it by telling them the ending.

If you have a genuine heavy trigger warning and you can't spare a tag for that, that's on you.

What if your tag is banned? Like "Death" or "abuse" isn't that on Laurel for not allowing that tag and then not making a clear list of the banned tags but allowing the stories?
And even it if IS in the tags, why isn't that still a spoiler? Like how does tagging a story "Domestic violence" not spoil and putting a author's note "contains domestic violence" spoil?

Then the warning slug is redundant. Case closed... Apologies and spoilers make reading less enjoyable.

IF the warning is redundant... how does it spoil? IF it spoils, then it isn't redundant... right?

What I'm saying is let's say you have a story called "Smoking hot anal" with the description "An anal, smoking fetish story" which is tagged "anal" "smoking" and you have an author's note:

Hey guys! Thanks so much for reading. Here's my next story! Yes, you might notice it's in fetish rather than my usual anal category. It still contains anal, but it also has smoking fetish Enjoy and happy holidays!

Then yes, going into the story you now know (based on the authors note) that it is in the fetish category, contains a smoking fetish and, like all their other stories, anal sex. Even if you think those things are spoilers, it's not really the author's note that has spoilt you, because you already knew those things. Unless... you don't know how to read tags/didn't read the tags (or category, title description...), in which case the author's note DID spoil you, but then the note is now not redundant...

And some of us don't.

Ok... and.... so...? Obviously I know that, I literally said that in my post:

At the end of the day, some people are strongly against this, some are pro and some just don't care. I'd recommend you do what feels right to you.

As we both know, different people like different things. If people don't like authors' notes they are welcome to not read, vote it a one, or leave nasty comment. Everyone gets one vote per story,* and and the chance to comment, they're free to use them how they like. Doesn't impact me. My story is still a shitty first draft that I chucked up here because I was too lazy to edit but still wanted to share my fantasy with others anyway. The rating doesn't actually change what the story is.

At the end of the day people should just do what they feel is right.

• If someone wants to have author's notes because they feel compassion towards others, then they are absolutely allowed to do it.
• If someone cares so much about their scores that they don't want to include a warning as that will "spoil the surprise" for the 25% of readers who apparently don't want to know what kinks/warnings/tags etc a story contains, then they are also allowed.
• And, people are allowed to do either for whatever their actual intentions are. Neither you nor I know someone else's intentions.

*Well, they're meant to get one and only one... but that's a different topic entirely

 

[Bramblethorn]

No. I don't believe you at all. I've read enough here to know that that's not true.

no, *u* wrong.

It seems faintly ridiculous for you to insist that you know, better than me, what I have and haven't read here and what I thought about it. I know you're capable of better than this.

This isn't Ao3. If there is no feedback at all on Ao3 you would have a bit of a point there, but scores or not, people largely write for audience approval, bouquets and applause, and in place of scores, that's what the warning protects.

Some do. Assuming it's true of everybody would be a sweeping generalisation.

And also, this argument of "you can't know my intentions," just doesn't carry. It's a last grasp argument and a lost cause. First, I can figure out your (the author's) intentions with 90% accuracy

Citation needed.

so close enough to draw a general conclusion of the phenomenon upon the statistical population, and second, the intentions don't matter. The effect does.

Very well, then: if only the effect matters and not the intentions, why on earth have you spent so much time insisting on your interpretation of writers' intentions?

 

[SimonDoom]

I've modified my position somewhat over the years on this question, from "Let the reader beware" to a more moderate point of view. If authors want to give readers a heads up on content that they may find unappealing, that's fine, although it's not something I usually do. But even if I accept the premise, IMO the story title, tagline, category, and tags, done correctly, usually should suffice to put the reader "on notice" of a range of content that might include some things that might bother the reader. Some element of responsibility must be put on the reader, including the responsibility of actually reading the tags if the reader is the kind of reader who might be offended or bothered by certain content.

I personally do not get squicked by virtually anything, so I don't really understand the attitude of readers who get easily offended by things, and I personally feel little to no obligation to cater to those readers. I enjoy surprise and edginess. I like being shocked, and I don't want the deliciousness of a good shock to be diminished by a heap of overweening trigger warnings before I read the story. That's how I am as a reader, and I cater to readers with similar tastes and attitudes, unapologetically.

I checked out the particular instance that upset the OP, and I think this is a case where this particular reader is being ridiculous, and the OP should feel no sense of regret or responsibility for catering to the sensibilities of this person. The OP did all she was required to do with her choice of title, tagline, and tags. The category selected--Erotic Couplings--could be different, because it's a bland category that often features stories lacking in "edgier" content. But the rest of the information provided was, I think, sufficient, and in this case I think being guilted into an obligation to do more amounts to unnecessary hand-holding. No author is required to do that.

The title of the story is "You're a switch, Penny Thompson!" It already has been established in previous chapters that the main character is a futunari and uses her "talents" in interesting and edgy ways. The tagline is "Futunari needs to dominate an older woman, therapeutically." Some of the tags are "futunari," "domination," and "therapy."

Sure enough, that's what the story's about. Anybody paying attention will know, before reading a word, that this is not going to be an ordinary therapy session. While the patient in the story "consents" to the treatment, and does so throughout the session, the patient-therapist relationship dynamic renders the consent suspect. That's exactly what gives the story its kinky edge.

The therapy session gets weird right from the beginning, less than a quarter of the way into the story. Any half-aware reader who might be triggered by the coming content is on full notice of what's coming and can pull out anytime.

Here's the reader's comment:

this felt nearly like abuse and rape, don't ever write a chapter like this again.

This is MY response to this reader: F U. Don't ever tell me what I can or can't write. You didn't have to read it. You could have stopped when the therapy session started. You were adequately warned. To the extent you are so absurdly sensitive that you need more warning than that, then it's on you how you choose to navigate your way through Literotica. Don't expect me to hold the flashlight.

I don't owe a damn thing to a reader who talks to me that way. My advice to the OP would be to adopt the same attitude, ignore them.

It should be noted, too, that all the other readers were very complimentary of the OP's story. This is another downside to catering to this attitude: the squeaky snowflake reader gets the grease and the sensible ones who like the story get ignored. Imagine if as authors we all catered to the easily offended minority at the expense of the sensible majority. Our art would suffer, and so would the majority of readers. That's not how it should be.

Again, I'm not categorically opposed to content descriptions and disclaimers to assist readers, but this particular case is ridiculous.

 

[NotWise]

I think it would be cute if you could find a way to format an ingredients list so that it looked like a recipe: same-sex bondage 1/4 cup, a pinch of anal play, etc. That might even help with the problem of readers not really paying any attention to author's notes at the beginning of a story.

As to whether or not you should do it, I think it's entirely up to you. If you want to do it, then do it.

edited to add: I think a list for my WIP might look like

2 cups of Romance, sifted.
1/2 cup impregnation fetish
1 tablespoon of bondage

stir carefully and bake at 98.6F. Serves two.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

As a reader, I would rather have a story "spoilt" than have another reader kill themselves because they didn't know they were jumping into a depression story. This is because the death or harm of another person is more important than my own fleeting feeling of surprise.

Oh, please. If someone is so unstable that they might kill themselves over reading an erotic story, then there is nothing that we can do as writers to stop them. I mean seriously. This person knows that they may be triggered by nasty smut and they go to a nasty smut site? My only option in this case is to not publish anything. I am NOT being facetious here.

And even it if IS in the tags, why isn't that still a spoiler? Like how does tagging a story "Domestic violence" not spoil and putting a author's note "contains domestic violence" spoil?

Some warnings spoil, others are just redundant. This one would simply be redundant. Either way it sets a tone of weakness in your first impression with the reader, so I would not do it. You do you.

Ok... and.... so...? Obviously I know that, I literally said that in my post:

So we agree there. What's your point? I guess that you just like to argue that much.

At the end of the day people should just do what they feel is right.

Agree. I already stated that.

If you have to protect your scores and feedback that badly, list everything in detail and apologize for all of your squicks up front.

If you want to tell a story that unfolds naturally and has no spoilers, the tags work well enough. There is no need to hold anyone's hand.

You can't fully do both. The more that you warn up front, the less impact your story will have as it reads. There is no magic pill. How much is too much? No one can tell you. That's all up to you.

So again, what's your point?

 

[pink_silk_glove]

no, *u* wrong.

It seems faintly ridiculous for you to insist that you know, better than me, what I have and haven't read here and what I thought about it. I know you're capable of better than this.

I said that I don't believe. That indicates my opinion. That means that I do not agree with your interpretation of what you have read.

Some do. Assuming it's true of everybody would be a sweeping generalisation.

So we agree. I said in the very line that you quoted, "... people largely write for audience approval ..." I did NOT say everybody. YOU assumed that I said everybody even where I clearly did not. So don't tell me that I'm assuming too much, or at the very least look in the mirror before you accuse me.

Citation needed.

Have you even been reading anything in this thread?? The entire thing is my citation. Pfft.

Very well, then: if only the effect matters and not the intentions, why on earth have you spent so much time insisting on your interpretation of writers' intentions?

Straw argument.

If you need me to be some evil cunt that badly, I can't stop you from believing that. Go right the fuck ahead.

 

[gunhilltrain]

I thought no-one would dare do a re-make of Casablanca. Perhaps I'm wrong!

It's been tried a couple of times. Warner Brothers tried to make it into a "series" (a franchise?) in the mid-1950s, but it only had one episode. Someone tried a five episode prequel with David Soul in 1983, but I've never heard of it until I looked. Seriously, it had Scatman Crothers as Sam.

 

[ElectricBlue]

This is MY response to this reader: F U. Don't ever tell me what I can or can't write. You didn't have to read it. You could have stopped when the therapy session started. You were adequately warned. To the extent you are so absurdly sensitive that you need more warning than that, then it's on you how you choose to navigate your way through Literotica. Don't expect me to hold the flashlight.

Precisely this, but if I'd used the term snowflake or marshmallow higher up, can you imagine the drama?

We should coin a new tag - Mary Poppins, for readers who still need a nanny.

 

[THBGato]

We should coin a new tag - Mary Poppins, for readers who still need a nanny.

You'd then get comments from readers complaining about false advertising. I for one would be gutted if I opened a story tagged "Mary Poppins" and there was no hot Julie Andrews action. Preferably with Glynis Johns. ;-)

 

[ElectricBlue]

You'd then get comments from readers complaining about false advertising. I for one would be gutted if I opened a story tagged "Mary Poppins" and there was no hot Julie Andrews action. Preferably with Glynis Johns. ;-)

Haha I never did see the Emily Blunt sequel, but I take your point!

 

[Bramblethorn]

I said that I don't believe. That indicates my opinion. That means that I do not agree with your interpretation of what you have read.

Cool. What stories have I read?

So we agree. I said in the very line that you quoted, "... people largely write for audience approval ..." I did NOT say everybody. YOU assumed that I said everybody even where I clearly did not. So don't tell me that I'm assuming too much, or at the very least look in the mirror before you accuse me.

I was going off this interaction:

You'll find people in this forum who think any form of author's note or content warning is a self-serving form of pandering to the readers exclusively included in the hopes of achieving high scores and better feedback.

I don't hold that opinion. I think a brief content warning or foreword can go a long way to make readers happy. Neither the reader nor the author gains anything if the reader starts the story and ends up hating it because of some personal gripe with the kinks or style.

You don't agree with the notion in your first paragraph but your second paragraph totally supports that notion.

That seemed very much like an endorsement of the notion that "any form of author's note or content warning is a self-serving form of pandering to the readers exclusively included in the hopes of achieving high scores and better feedback." It seems reasonable to me to characterise that as a statement about "everybody".

If I have misunderstood what you intended there...well, the effect of what you wrote was to give that impression, and I've been informed that intentions are immaterial. But accuracy does matter to me, so I will nevertheless apologise for any misrepresentation.

In any case, even if you are dropping the more sweeping statements and toning it down to "largely", that still seems like overreach.

Have you even been reading anything in this thread?? The entire thing is my citation. Pfft.

You've offered plenty to confirm that you believe you understand other people's motivations for their authorial choices (despite these motivations being, apparently, irrelevant? *shrug*)

You've offered no evidence to support your belief that you are accurate in these interpretations.

Straw argument.

Nuh-uh.

If you need me to be some evil cunt that badly, I can't stop you from believing that. Go right the fuck ahead.

Your telepathy powers are malfunctioning again.

 

[Bramblethorn]

You'd then get comments from readers complaining about false advertising. I for one would be gutted if I opened a story tagged "Mary Poppins" and there was no hot Julie Andrews action. Preferably with Glynis Johns. ;-)

Bad Cockney accents are my secret kink.