To Brunei and Somalia ...

[Five_Inch_Heels]

I always found it odd that the Pilgrims left England over religious intolerance, then became intolerant of anyone who strayed towards more freedom.

 

[oggbashan]

I always found it odd that the Pilgrims left England over religious intolerance, then became intolerant of anyone who strayed towards more freedom.

The religious intolerance in England of the time was less virulent than actually real. All they were asked to do was appear to conform but even that was too much for some.

However Christians had the same attitude in early times. If they been prepared to at least notionally accept the official worship of the Emperor as a God, they would not have been so persecuted in the Roman Empire. But that was against their beliefs, and they were seen as a dangerous threat to the establishment because they would not acknowledge the Emperor's divinity.

"Render unto Caesar" couldn't go as far as accepting him as divine.

 

[Hard_Rom]

The Puritans left England due to what they saw as a lack of further reformation of the Church of England and the proscription of all things considered papist or Catholic. They left because the C of E was to liberal. They were the intolerant ones. They banned Shakespearean theater and made adultery a capital offence. They first went to the Netherlands but even Protestant and very Calvinist Holland was to liberal for them.

If some place that has never seen snow or ever been Christian bans Christmas, so what. It's just a Christian religious holiday (holiday=holy day). I think we should get rid all the Christian symbolism from the winter solstice festival days. Not even a true Christian holiday. Just some Christian superstition painted over top of a winter solstice celebration. You want to practice your religion, do it at home or your church. The birth of some mad Jewish preacher don't mean shit to me. Yule is to celebrate the lengthening of the days and a sign winter will end. Not the execution by the Romans of a wandering mystic charged with sedition.

Let the Christians make up their own holy days to go with their made up god.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianization
A notable strategy for Christianization was interpretatio christiana – the practice of converting native pagan practices and culture, pagan religious imagery, pagan sites and the pagan calendar to Christian uses, due to the Christian efforts at proselytism (evangelism) based on the Great Commission.
Reformatting native religious and cultural activities and beliefs into a Christianized form was officially sanctioned; preserved in the Venerable Bede's Historia ecclesiastica gentis Anglorum is a letter from Pope Gregory I to Mellitus, arguing that conversions were easier if people were allowed to retain the outward forms of their traditions, while claiming that the traditions were in honor of the Christian God, "to the end that, whilst some gratifications are outwardly permitted them, they may the more easily consent to the inward consolations of the grace of God". In essence, it was intended that the traditions and practices still existed, but that the reasoning behind them was altered. The existence of syncretism in Christian tradition has long been recognized by scholars, and in recent times many of the instances of syncretism have also been acknowledged by the Roman Catholic church.[citation needed] Since 16th century and to modern days significant scholarship was devoted to deconstruction of interpretatio christiana, i.e., tracing the roots of some Christian practices and traditions to paganism. Early works of this type have tended to be downplayed and even dismissed as a form of Protestant apologetics aimed at "purification" of Christianity.

 

[BotanyBoy]

If some place that has never seen snow or ever been Christian bans Christmas, so what. It's just a Christian religious holiday).

If someone had said the exact same thing about banning Muslims and banning a Muslim holiday like Ramadan you'd be in here shreeking shit over hate speech and calling everyone who suggested it a bigoted hater.

In fact I'm pretty sure you've done that each and every time anyone so much as did anything but bend over backwards to kiss Muslim ass.

You're a hypocrite of the highest order.

 

[DeYaKen]

... who have officially banned Christmas as offending Islam.

Fuck Off And Die!!!

Boot their stupid asses out of all international treaties and communities.

It's their country, they can ban what the hell they like. They are not stopping you from celebrating it so what are you complaining about?

 

[Boxlicker101]

It's their country, they can ban what the hell they like. They are not stopping you from celebrating it so what are you complaining about?

Although I am inclined to agree with you, I feel it's worth mentioning that when nations have displayed such extreme bigotry, other nations have sometimes ostracized and boycotted them. Where did you stand on the actions and government policies of the Union of South Africa?

 

[phrodeau]

If someone had said the exact same thing about banning Muslims and banning a Muslim holiday like Ramadan you'd be in here shreeking shit over hate speech and calling everyone who suggested it a bigoted hater.

In fact I'm pretty sure you've done that each and every time anyone so much as did anything but bend over backwards to kiss Muslim ass.

You're a hypocrite of the highest order.

Oh, be sure to let us know when the people of Brunei get First Amendment rights.

You hoot about American exceptionalism. The Bill of Rights is a big part of that.

 

[DeYaKen]

Although I am inclined to agree with you, I feel it's worth mentioning that when nations have displayed such extreme bigotry, other nations have sometimes ostracized and boycotted them. Where did you stand on the actions and government policies of the Union of South Africa?

If you are talking about Apartheid I was firmly against it. I don't see how you can begin to compare the two. Apartheid law meant that if the wrong ambulance turned up a black man would be left in the street to wait for another to be despatched. It dictated where people lived, based only on the colour of their skin. The pass laws and 180 day detentions meant that Non-whites were classed as inferior beings. Compared to that banning a religious celebration is chicken feed.

Britains position was that they would continue to trade with South Africa. The only exception was arms, we have always refused to sell arms to countries with bad human rights records. However, we seem to bend that definition rather a lot.

Banning the celebration of Christmas falls a long way short of Apartheid. Didn't Alan Rickman do it in Robin Hood prince of thieves?

If they want to do that, fine. We don't give public holidays for Eid-al-Fitr, or Diwali or even Hannukah. We don't stop them celebrating, but we don't help them, and why should we.

Of course we are all free to boycott goods from Somalia and Brunei. I'm somewhat surprised that no one has commented on the timing of this announcement.

 

[DeYaKen]

If someone had said the exact same thing about banning Muslims and banning a Muslim holiday like Ramadan you'd be in here shreeking shit over hate speech and calling everyone who suggested it a bigoted hater.

In fact I'm pretty sure you've done that each and every time anyone so much as did anything but bend over backwards to kiss Muslim ass.

You're a hypocrite of the highest order.

Ramadan is not a Muslim Holiday it is a period of fasting which lasts for a month. True followers should not eat during the hours of daylight. Hardly a holiday, more like a penance.

Just sayin.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Oh, be sure to let us know when the people of Brunei get First Amendment rights.

You hoot about American exceptionalism. The Bill of Rights is a big part of that.

They never will because they don't care enough to have them.

What American exceptionalism do I hoot about?

Ramadan is not a Muslim Holiday it is a period of fasting which lasts for a month. True followers should not eat during the hours of daylight. Hardly a holiday, more like a penance.

Just sayin.

Which is concluded with one of the largest celebrations in the Muslim world filled with town/city/nation wide bashes of feasts, fireworks and festivities. It's called the Eid. So technically in some obscure way you might be right if you want to move the goal post and count Eid as separate from Ramadan but that would be like separating dinner from thanksgiving and is total bullshit.

So back in the real world it's a fuckin' holiday.

Just a question, how many years have you lived in an ultra super majority Muslim nation? And were any of them in the middle east/N. Africa?