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BINGO ! Pelosi blamed Bush for the BP disaster today !
what a fucking piece of work Madam-n Speaker is
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As if the spill isn't bad enough, now people in the vicinity and clear-up crews are being hospitalized with a variety of breathing and other problems. All we need now is a hurricane to spread it around further. What - a - mess!
Pelosi is right, Bush cut back much of the restrictions for drilling safely during his illusterous career.
Pelosi is right, Bush cut back much of the restrictions for drilling safely during his illusterous career.
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Tristesse2 said:
That simply is not true.
http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=34234245&postcount=11
Let's not forget that President Bush was a lame duck President for his last four years in office. Pelosi's hands have much more greasy oil stains on them than the blame she directs at President Bush ... not to mention that, yet again, Obama was the greatest recipient of BP donations, as he was in the Fannie & Freddie top 3 recipients as well.
Maybe you should read this whole article to clear up your misconceptions:
http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=34234424&postcount=85
It is enlightening and factual. All of the claims are well documented. I encourage independent research to convince yourself otherwise, rather than making unsupportable statements.
Excerpts addressing your claim quoted here:
The 1990 Oil Pollution Act was drafted in response to the Exxon-Valdez spill. It created new procedures for offshore cleanups, specifically putting the federal government in charge of such operations. The President should have used the authority granted by the OPA – immediately – to take control of the situation.
Here's another resource for your research, since we're sure you want the facts:
http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=34226570&postcount=13
Now that the American people are calling him out on his lack of engagement with this disaster, the buck-passing is in full swing – and, unbelievably, his administration is still looking to blame his predecessor.
He suggested today that a “culture of corruption” at the U.S. Minerals Management Service (MMS) was solely the previous administration’s responsibility and that the failure of the inspection system was a failure of that administration.
That is false. The MMS has been his responsibility since January 20, 2009.
The MMS director who resigned today, Elizabeth Birnbaum, was appointed by his administration.
And the most recent inspection of the oil rig took place a mere 10 days before the explosion – also very much on his watch, not President Bush’s.
She didn't even mention anything about all of those rules and regulations which were disregarded during the permit process for this operation were during his recent watch. They even had an award for this drilling operation.
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fuck...learn to spell illustrious first then use it to hit Bush over the head with
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They don't know what they are doing.
Read it: http://www.prisonplanet.com/rumor-s...ink-a-battleship-on-top-of-the-oil-spill.html
Read it: http://www.prisonplanet.com/rumor-s...ink-a-battleship-on-top-of-the-oil-spill.html
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Oh, whoops!
I thought this thread was about the Issa Commission. He did a nice job on Gray Davis. Let's see how his does on President Top Hat.
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Fucking golf balls?!!
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Did you really say anything...
If there's no doubt, and there seems to be little on the Left, then the word is EVERYTHING.
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It's amazing that you've forgotten the from Bush to Clinton in 30 seconds schtick you used to pull in order to take the stand that Presidents don't pass the buck onto their predecessor, they act like a man and accept the responsibility of the job.
The one thing Obama has managed to do is to get his acolytes off any and all of the so-called principles they used to have under Bush, which basically tells us it wasn't reasoned principle, but partisan emotionalism...
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And Obama restored them, or ran around handing out safety awards?
I mean, come on, his administration wants CO2 treated as a pollutant...
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Furthermore, what's the drill to spill ratio?
Anyone want to hazard a guess?
Anyone want to hazard a guess?
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Furthermore, what's the drill to spill ratio?
Anyone want to hazard a guess?
One bad hole and a Gulf full of oil?
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No amount of regulation and/or oversight was going to stop an eventual accident.
The real question is why were they so far out when so much is available closer.
That's not on Bush, that's on the State Religion of Gaia...
It also goes to the culture of a technocracy in a government that things it can manage EVERYTHING. Step one, you get experts. Where you gonna get the "experts?"
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/05/10/93859/us-agency-lets-oil-industry-write.html
So in a way, logically Obama bears no more fault than Bush, but that's not how politics work, as we all no, reason goes out the window when government is so powerful as to affect our lives that we begin to fight over it, bribe it, and direct it to our selfish bidding.
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I wonder if the president knows what a disaster this is not only for him but for his political assumptions. His philosophy is that it is appropriate for the federal government to occupy a more burly, significant and powerful place in America—confronting its problems of need, injustice, inequality. But in a way, and inevitably, this is always boiled down to a promise: "Trust us here in Washington, we will prove worthy of your trust." Then the oil spill came and government could not do the job, could not meet need, in fact seemed faraway and incapable: "We pay so much for the government and it can't cap an undersea oil well!"
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The real question is why were they so far out when so much is available closer.
That's not on Bush, that's on the State Religion of Gaia...
It also goes to the culture of a technocracy in a government that things it can manage EVERYTHING. Step one, you get experts. Where you gonna get the "experts?"
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/05/10/93859/us-agency-lets-oil-industry-write.html
So in a way, logically Obama bears no more fault than Bush, but that's not how politics work, as we all no, reason goes out the window when government is so powerful as to affect our lives that we begin to fight over it, bribe it, and direct it to our selfish bidding.
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I wonder if the president knows what a disaster this is not only for him but for his political assumptions. His philosophy is that it is appropriate for the federal government to occupy a more burly, significant and powerful place in America—confronting its problems of need, injustice, inequality. But in a way, and inevitably, this is always boiled down to a promise: "Trust us here in Washington, we will prove worthy of your trust." Then the oil spill came and government could not do the job, could not meet need, in fact seemed faraway and incapable: "We pay so much for the government and it can't cap an undersea oil well!"
Peggy "Better Late Than Never" Noonan
Anyone care? When a single spill can alter the lives of 5 million people and destroy the economy of a region?
Yes, we are happy that the ratio isn't higher.
Happier now?
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ration?
... could be clever word play... I'll be happier when Obama orders all drilling to cease, so will he, and so will the followers of Gaia.
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And no less!
ration?
I'll be happier when Obama orders all drilling to cease, so will he, and so will the followers of Gaia.
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When you anoint yourself King Canute, you mustn’t be surprised when your subjects expect you to command the tides.
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No it was a typo.
but arguing still/drill ratios is the same as arguing that "we've only had one nuclear war".
When one is too many . . .
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I'm pointing to the validity not so much of the safety regulations but as to the desire on the part of the oil industry to NOT have this sort of thing happen...
I still like the word play angle, "What are you complaining about, I've provided you as your Pres__ent with your free ration of government oil, I've just saved you money by cutting out the middle-man!"
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The point being that when the Democrats myopically set out to pin the whole blame on Bush, then they set the template in the minds of the public at large for years to come for even as they tried to set up Bush as being powerful enough to direct the hurricane, to deny "black people" justice, or to blow up the levees, they also set the trap for another President down the road, and that illogic trap that was so gleefully created under Bush, much to the chagrin of the people who built it, has now sprung upon their hopes and "Dreams..."
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When you anoint yourself King Canute, you mustn’t be surprised when your subjects expect you to command the tides.
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The same can be said for Chernobyl. Safety prizes until the day it wiped out 100,000 lives.
The nuclear industry wanted it to work
the oil industry wants it to be safe. . .
the chemical industry didn't think the barrels would leak.
it's not just one "spill" it's a repeated symptom of profit over environment and future.
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