Top Military Officers Unload on Trump

[Rightguide]

phrodeau writes: "Russia now has hypersonic nukes, and the US doesn’t. So much winning."

I guess he forgets our warheads reenter the atmosphere and impact their targets at 17,000 MPH.

 

[Secretive_Victoria]

During an appearance on MSNBC Saturday afternoon, retired U.S. Army General Barry R. McCaffrey said President Donald Trump's behavior was such that "if he was a general court martial authority, two-star general, we'd fire him."

McCaffrey, who retired from the military in 2001 as a four-star general with three Purple Hearts, told journalist Richard Liu that Trump's behavior had caused the military trial of Navy SEAL Chief Petty Officer Eddie Gallagher to become "a real mess."

The president intervened on Gallagher's behalf at multiple points in the court martial process, first ordering Gallagher release from pre-trial detention despite, as McCaffrey noted, allegations that Gallagher had threatened to have witnesses killed. Gallagher was demoted in July after the military court found him guilty of conduct unbecoming related to a photo he staged with the body of an ISIS fighter.

In November, as the Navy prepared to review Gallagher's status, Trump ordered the branch to restore his rank and publicly forbid commanding officers from discharging him. Secretary of the Navy Richard Spencer was forced to resign after he tried to negotiate a backchannel deal with the White House regarding Gallagher's fate.

"We're left with a question of—the Uniform Code of Military Justice is a law passed by Congress—it's not the White House's law. It's not the Pentagon's law. It's a congressional system of justice, and it works pretty well. And I think we've seen command influence by President Trump in a manner that if he was a general court martial authority, two-star general, we'd fire him. So we got a real problem," McCaffrey said on MSNBC.

Newsweek reached out to the White House for comment on McCaffrey's remarks.

The infighting was widely seen as deleterious for military morale, a fact Liu alluded to during the segment by citing a December Military Times poll that awarded Trump a 42 percent approval rating among service members, his lowest-ever score. The falling support continued despite Trump's first visit to a combat zone—during which he served Thanksgiving dinner to troops in Afghanistan—taking place during the survey period.

https://www.newsweek.com/us-army-ge...n90_VixSuwwAs-odKX7Shw3iIni21k_P2IS5Qj7mCl4Yg

 

[allison22]

Just a reminder that the current Commander in Chief held a fake charity event for veterans and he kept the money.

 

[The_Trouvere]

I. HE DISDAINS EXPERTISE
Trump has little interest in the details of policy. He makes up his mind about a thing, and those who disagree with him—even those with manifestly more knowledge and experience—are stupid, or slow, or crazy.

The wonder is that Trump has not made catastrophic mistakes yet. They are coming. Luck is a disloyal mistress. Trump will not be able to handle a serious crises. His incompetence, impulsiveness, and ignorance will be exposed for all to see.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Just a reminder that the current Commander in Chief held a fake charity event for veterans and he kept the money.

And yet despite that scum bag move, among others, he's still more electable than anything the (D)'z are willing to run.

Sad.

 

[Dumpington]

allison22 writes: "Just a reminder that the current Commander in Chief held a fake charity event for veterans and he kept the money."

Our current Commander in Chief hasn't kept one penny of his presidential salary, Allison, donating every cent to charity. Neither Obama nor Clinton did that.

The Trouvere writes: "The wonder is that Trump has not made catastrophic mistakes yet. They are coming. Luck is a disloyal mistress. Trump will not be able to handle a serious crises. His incompetence, impulsiveness, and ignorance will be exposed for all to see."

I remember back in 1979, when the Iranians sacked our embassy in Tehran, holding 52 Americans hostage for the next 444-days. And President Jimmy Carter did NOTHING! And then, more recently, terrorists in Libya attacked our consulate in Benghazi & murdered our ambassador to that country. And President Barack Obama did ZILCH!

President Trump actually has a pair, Trouvere - and he doesn't sit by helplessly when Americans are attacked - and for some bizarre reason the American people actually LIKE that kind of tough, decisive leadership! Seriously, if the Iranians had orchestrated this attack on our Baghdad embassy back when Barack was still in the White House, does ANYBODY seriously believe that he'd be sending in the marines?

BotanyBoy writes: "And yet despite that scum bag move, among others, he's still more electable than anything the (D)'z are willing to run."

If the Democrats had an electable presidential candidate for 2020, Nancy Pelosi would be sending the impeachment articles to the U.S. Senate. But they DON'T, and so she's holding onto them in the hopes that this might somehow weaken Trump's re-election effort this year.

(SPOILER ALERT - it WON'T work!)

 

[JackLuis]

Considering the track record of our Military leadership, I wouldn't hold them up as paragons of virtue.

Faulty Equipment, Lapsed Training, Repeated Warnings: How a Preventable Disaster Killed Six Marines

Propublica researched this instance of "Leadership" and found that the Leadership places all the blame on their minions when "Things Go Wrong"! This despite evidence of the Leadership ignoring their duty because they could not accept the responsibility for supporting the troops.

Ring Knockers United is not what "Duty, Honour and Country" means.

 

[jp55665566]

President Trump has BROAD support across all branches and ranks of military. TOP military officers absolutely respect and honor their oath of service to the Nation and the Commander in Chief. To suggest otherwise merely paints you as a disgruntled citizen, and very likely NOT a member or veteran of any military service branch.

 

[Cubantripod]

The wonder is that Trump has not made catastrophic mistakes yet. They are coming. Luck is a disloyal mistress. Trump will not be able to handle a serious crises. His incompetence, impulsiveness, and ignorance will be exposed for all to see.

Your disdain for democracy is duly noted. "Trump's incompetence" is the narrative pushed by the establishment because the American people are tired of the status quo and want a change. Trump is a giant middle finger at the establishment.

 

[Adre]

President Trump has BROAD support across all branches and ranks of military. TOP military officers absolutely respect and honor their oath of service to the Nation and the Commander in Chief. To suggest otherwise merely paints you as a disgruntled citizen, and very likely NOT a member or veteran of any military service branch.

42% approval rating amongst active military is not exactly BROAD support.

 

[Dumpington]

Adre writes: "42% approval rating amongst active military is not exactly BROAD support."

It certainly IS broad support when compared with how little our military personnel supported Barack Obama!

If the ONLY voters here in the United States were members of the U.S. military (and our nation's military veterans), Adre, the Democratic Party would probably have about two-dozen representatives in the U.S. House, and maybe three or four U.S. Senators.

On the other hand, if only those people who HATED the United States were permitted to vote, the Democratic Party would dominate the House, the Senate, & occupy the White House. The two major parties in the U.S. would be the Socialist-Democrats (Joe Biden's supporters) and the Communist Party USA (Bernie Sanders' supporters), both of which would be promoting both Islam AND a transgendered political agenda.

 

[phrodeau]

Military personnel = 0.4% of the population.

 

[The_Trouvere]

Your disdain for democracy is duly noted. "Trump's incompetence" is the narrative pushed by the establishment because the American people are tired of the status quo and want a change. Trump is a giant middle finger at the establishment.

Trump is the Establishment. He cut taxes for the rich and business regulations like any other Republican politicians would have done.

He does not care about white blue collar workers any more than he shares the concerns of the religious right.

 

[Dumpington]

phrodeau writes: "Military personnel = 0.4% of the population."

Yes, phrodeau, and they vote overwhelmingly conservative at election time.

The Trouvere writes: "Trump is the Establishment. He cut taxes for the rich and business regulations like any other Republican politicians would have done."

AND President Trump has created a booming American economy with record-low unemployment rates like NO Democratic Party president could EVER have done!

"He does not care about white blue collar workers any more than he shares the concerns of the religious right."

President Trump cares about ALL American citizens equally. But you are correct, Trouvere, about blue collar workers & the religious right giving this president their overwhelming support! The Democratic Party has alienated both of those groups!

 

[jp55665566]

Since wealthy people pay the vast majority of taxes in the USA... ANY tax cut can be painted as "benefiting primarily the wealthy".

 

[The_Trouvere]

Hammer the rich with taxes.

Since wealthy people pay the vast majority of taxes in the USA... ANY tax cut can be painted as "benefiting primarily the wealthy".

Since the Reagan administration the rich have been paying lower taxes on more money. Incomes for most Americans have stagnated or declined. That is why we can't have good things any more. The rich should be hammered with taxes.

The rich have plenty of money. All we need to do is to elect Democrats who will take most of their money and put it in the U.S. Treasury.

The Democrat Party has let the tax issue get away from them. Democrat politicians need to be seen as the bringer of good things, paid for by the rich, and threatened by the Republicans. When they were seen that way they dominated the United States.

 

[jp55665566]

Since the Reagan administration the rich have been paying lower taxes on more money. Incomes for most Americans have stagnated or declined. That is why we can't have good things any more. The rich should be hammered with taxes.

The rich have plenty of money. All we need to do is to elect Democrats who will take most of their money and put it in the U.S. Treasury.

The Democrat Party has let the tax issue get away from them. Democrat politicians need to be seen as the bringer of good things, paid for by the rich, and threatened by the Republicans. When they were seen that way they dominated the United States.

"That's why we can't have good things anymore"? What "good things" are you talking about? You want to take Barack Obama's millions, George Soros's billions, and put it in the U.S. Treasury? Then what?

 

[Dumpington]

The Trouvere writes: "Incomes for most Americans have stagnated or declined."

That was certainly the case under President Obama, who strived to become America's "Food Stamps President" - getting as many people as possible dependent on federal government hand-outs (and voting Democrat!) President Trump has changed all that, creating MILLIONS of new jobs and lowering unemployment levels to record-lows!

"That is why we can't have good things any more. The rich should be hammered with taxes."

Ah yes... the "politics of envy" - such as was perfected in nations such as Cuba & Venezuela, where the rich were "hammered with taxes" until there were no more rich and no more free elections, either!

"The rich have plenty of money. All we need to do is to elect Democrats who will take most of their money and put it in the U.S. Treasury."

Don't be ABSURD, Trouvere - the Democrats won't "put it in the U.S. Treasury" - that's NOT how the Democratic Party purchases votes! No, they'll spend it (and borrow even MORE when that runs out!) You clearly don't understand how socialism works.

"The Democrat Party has let the tax issue get away from them. Democrat politicians need to be seen as the bringer of good things, paid for by the rich, and threatened by the Republicans. When they were seen that way they dominated the United States."

The Democratic Party has become America's pro-abortion, pro-atheist, pro-Islamic, pro-transgendered, pro-open-borders, pro-socialist (and anti-capitalist) political party that deeply opposes/resents traditional U.S. values. They have permanently turned the American heartland away from their party and into supporting President Trump and the Republicans!

 

[BotanyBoy]

Since the Reagan administration the rich have been paying lower taxes on more money. Incomes for most Americans have stagnated or declined. That is why we can't have good things any more. The rich should be hammered with taxes.

The rich have plenty of money. All we need to do is to elect Democrats who will take most of their money and put it in the U.S. Treasury.

The Democrat Party has let the tax issue get away from them. Democrat politicians need to be seen as the bringer of good things, paid for by the rich, and threatened by the Republicans. When they were seen that way they dominated the United States.

At least Trouvere is honest about how Anti-American he is.

 

[The_Trouvere]

At least Trouvere is honest about how Anti-American he is.

How is it anti American to be in favor of socialized medicine? Countries that have it get better results with less money per capita.

 

[Dumpington]

BotanyBoy writes: "At least Trouvere is honest about how Anti-American he is."

You can always spot a modern Democrat - they're the people calling Colin Kaepernick & Megan Rapinoe "patriotic" for openly despising the United States in front of the rest of the world! Liberal/progressives view being anti-American as being somehow valiant & courageous, and they clearly don't understand why their party has LOST all of its support in the U.S. heartland!

The Trouvere responds: "How is it anti American to be in favor of socialized medicine? Countries that have it get better results with less money per capita."

Socialists believe that ONLY the government has all the answers, and that normal people are unable to make their own decisions on how to take care of themselves. President Obama tried to FORCE his own version of government health care down down everybody's throats, and the American people responded by dismantling the power of the Democratic Party in the House & Senate!

When you write here on this forum that countries with socialized medicine "have it get better results with less money per capita," that's NOT actual reality, Trouvere - it's simply YOUR OPINION! The American people prefer our current health care system just the way it is, and don't want to copy Canada's!

 

[bodysong]

push comes to shove-

"Pentagon’s legal interests"

https://www.alternet.org/2020/01/wh...bles-and-pressure-is-building-on-republicans/

 

[allison22]

Retired U.S. Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal railed against President Donald Trump, saying he believes he is "immoral," self-serving and not representative of American values.

McChrystal, the former commander of U.S. military forces in Afghanistan, urged Americans and Trump supporters to "stand in front of that mirror" and ask themselves how many concessions they'll make to stand by the president. In a rare interview with ABC News, McChrystal said he would refuse a position in the Trump administration and said he doesn't believe Trump is truthful.

"If you were asked to join the Trump administration, what would you say?" ABC News' Martha Raddatz asked the retired four star general. "I'd say no," he responded.

"Do you think he's a liar?" Raddatz asked the 64-year-old veteran. "I don't think he tells the truth," McChrystal responded. The interview then stepped back to question Trump's ethics and values.

"Is Trump immoral in your view?" Raddatz asked. "I think he is." McChrystal went on to say he believes Trump supporters are simply "wrong" and demanded Americans "take a stand" against Trump and others who undermine the country's moral fabric.

"What I would ask every American to do is stand in front of that mirror and say, 'What are we about? Am I really willing to throw away or ignore some of the things that people do that are — are pretty unacceptable normally just because they accomplish certain other things that we might like?"

McChrystal continued: "If we want to be governed by someone we wouldn't do a business deal with because their — their background is so shady, if we're willing to do that, then that's in conflict with who I think we are. And so I think it's necessary at those times to take a stand."

McChrystal said U.S. Secretary of Defense James Mattis' damning resignation letter to Trump was "much broader than the Syria issue" and was more directed at "America's role in the world." He said Americans should take notice of someone "as selfless and as committed" as Mattis stepping away from Trump's self-serving brand of politics and leadership.
"I think maybe it causes the American people to take pause and say, wait a minute, if we have someone who is as selfless and as committed as Jim Mattis resign his position; walking away from all the responsibility he feels for every service member in our forces and he does so in a public way like that, we ought to stop and say, 'OK, why did he do it?'"

McChrystal, who is the author of a new book, Leaders: Myth And Reality, also criticized Trump's recent visit with U.S. troops. "When leaders visit soldiers, young women and men in potentially harm's way, there's a sacred interaction that occurs. You have to provide leadership, you are showing that you are there, you're also listening to their problems. You don't use that as a time to tout your politics or your personal opinions. You use that as a time to reassure them that what they're doing is appreciated by people."

https://www.newsweek.com/stanley-mc...-immoral-military-leaders-values-liar-1274900

 

[icanhelp1]

Retired U.S. Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal railed against President Donald Trump, saying he believes he is "immoral," self-serving and not representative of American values.

McChrystal, the former commander of U.S. military forces in Afghanistan, urged Americans and Trump supporters to "stand in front of that mirror" and ask themselves how many concessions they'll make to stand by the president. In a rare interview with ABC News, McChrystal said he would refuse a position in the Trump administration and said he doesn't believe Trump is truthful.

"If you were asked to join the Trump administration, what would you say?" ABC News' Martha Raddatz asked the retired four star general. "I'd say no," he responded.

"Do you think he's a liar?" Raddatz asked the 64-year-old veteran. "I don't think he tells the truth," McChrystal responded. The interview then stepped back to question Trump's ethics and values.

"Is Trump immoral in your view?" Raddatz asked. "I think he is." McChrystal went on to say he believes Trump supporters are simply "wrong" and demanded Americans "take a stand" against Trump and others who undermine the country's moral fabric.

"What I would ask every American to do is stand in front of that mirror and say, 'What are we about? Am I really willing to throw away or ignore some of the things that people do that are — are pretty unacceptable normally just because they accomplish certain other things that we might like?"

McChrystal continued: "If we want to be governed by someone we wouldn't do a business deal with because their — their background is so shady, if we're willing to do that, then that's in conflict with who I think we are. And so I think it's necessary at those times to take a stand."

McChrystal said U.S. Secretary of Defense James Mattis' damning resignation letter to Trump was "much broader than the Syria issue" and was more directed at "America's role in the world." He said Americans should take notice of someone "as selfless and as committed" as Mattis stepping away from Trump's self-serving brand of politics and leadership.
"I think maybe it causes the American people to take pause and say, wait a minute, if we have someone who is as selfless and as committed as Jim Mattis resign his position; walking away from all the responsibility he feels for every service member in our forces and he does so in a public way like that, we ought to stop and say, 'OK, why did he do it?'"

McChrystal, who is the author of a new book, Leaders: Myth And Reality, also criticized Trump's recent visit with U.S. troops. "When leaders visit soldiers, young women and men in potentially harm's way, there's a sacred interaction that occurs. You have to provide leadership, you are showing that you are there, you're also listening to their problems. You don't use that as a time to tout your politics or your personal opinions. You use that as a time to reassure them that what they're doing is appreciated by people."

https://www.newsweek.com/stanley-mc...-immoral-military-leaders-values-liar-1274900

When has Trump never reassured our troops? When has he never provided leadership. He's told them over and over again he wants them back home, and is proud of them. You should check Obama's popularity, he's nowhere near as Trump is when it comes to trust and popularity. Obama shit on his generals. Trump's moral past is questionable but he loves his soldiers and police which is more than you can say about the anti-american progressive left, starting with the dipshit SQUAD!

Generals are allowed to have an opinion!

 

[YDB95]

You should check Obama's popularity, he's nowhere near as Trump is when it comes to trust and popularity.

Perhaps YOU should check Obama's popularity before you make claims like that.
https://www.statista.com/chart/19541/approval-ratings-obama-trump/

Obama shit on his generals.

Says who?

Trump's moral past is questionable but icanhelp loves him which is more than you can say about the progressives he hates, starting with women of color who don't know their place anymore.

Fixed that for you.

Generals are allowed to have an opinion!

Mighty generous of you to concede that point to people who have, in most cases, spent 30+ years serving our country.