Transsexual Women 101

[SolariWriter]

I'm not sure what "classification" I would qualify for.

Living as a male *or* female would be fine by me, but for some reason, it's the transitioning process that absolutely fascinates me (and, honestly, excites me sexually). If that isn't enough, when I actually have or envision having sexual relationships, I always see myself as a female, not male ... yet I feel no great pressure and/or desire to go all the way in fulfilling that identity in a physical manner; I'm OK with what I have, so long as in private, I can let the woman inside me out on occasion.

So, what am I, classification-wise?

SolariWriter

P.S. And if that isn't enough, I'm a nonsmoker as a "male," but an occasional Capri 120 Menthol smoker as a "female." Go figure.

 

[Mansa Musa]

This is a serious question, so don't be too offended.

I have no problem with referring to transsexuals as "Ma'am", or allowing them access to women's facilities and the like. But, personally speaking, I would never have sex with a MTF transsexual. Does this make me biased?

 

[Etoile]

This is a serious question, so don't be too offended.

I have no problem with referring to transsexuals as "Ma'am", or allowing them access to women's facilities and the like. But, personally speaking, I would never have sex with a MTF transsexual. Does this make me biased?

Why should it? Plenty of people only date people of their own race. It doesn't mean they're biased against people of other races, it just means they prefer their own race. Some people only date redheads, it doesn't mean they're biased against brunettes, it just means they prefer redheads. As long as you respect someone, it doesn't matter if you want to have sex with them.

 

[Gi_Venus]

This is a serious question, so don't be too offended.

I have no problem with referring to transsexuals as "Ma'am", or allowing them access to women's facilities and the like. But, personally speaking, I would never have sex with a MTF transsexual. Does this make me biased?

It is a preference. I do not think you are biased I am mainly attracted to women and most transsexuals are not attractive to me. My girlfriend is a transsexual like myself, for us it is the interaction and genuine love for each others personalities. She is very female otherwise I would not be with her.

To summarize *grin* I would not have selected her had not life brought us together and natural attraction worked its magic.

Changing the subject a little
I know transsexuals that are lesbians who are deceitful about it, one in particular wants to never tell who and what she is. As far as she is concerned she is a woman and why should she tell anyone that it is otherwise. Needless to say we are no longer friends. She had difficulty with the idea that we can never be totally and completely biological women.
A natural woman is complex biological wonder with a sophisticated endocrine system that cannot be duplicated. From my own view point I am a woman and am open about what kind of woman I am. I accept and sometimes despair my limitations in a biological sense.

 

[Gi_Venus]

I'm not sure what "classification" I would qualify for.

Living as a male *or* female would be fine by me, but for some reason, it's the transitioning process that absolutely fascinates me (and, honestly, excites me sexually). If that isn't enough, when I actually have or envision having sexual relationships, I always see myself as a female, not male ... yet I feel no great pressure and/or desire to go all the way in fulfilling that identity in a physical manner; I'm OK with what I have, so long as in private, I can let the woman inside me out on occasion.

So, what am I, classification-wise?

SolariWriter

P.S. And if that isn't enough, I'm a nonsmoker as a "male," but an occasional Capri 120 Menthol smoker as a "female." Go figure.

SolariWriter it is amazing in this day and age with all the evidence around us that we do not define ourselves within a spectrum that falls between rather than to the extremes of complete female or complete male.
I think most of us identify with one or the other where if you were to do an analysis we probably all have characteristics of both genders. My therapist has a theory that modern man is evolving towards androgyny and that alpha male and alpha female archetypes are a thing of the past. lol we live in an ever evolving world. Gender identity is defined by the individual, it cannot be defined by anyone else. you tell us what you are.

 

[Etoile]

Changing the subject a little
I know transsexuals that are lesbians who are deceitful about it, one in particular wants to never tell who and what she is. As far as she is concerned she is a woman and why should she tell anyone that it is otherwise. Needless to say we are no longer friends. She had difficulty with the idea that we can never be totally and completely biological women.
A natural woman is complex biological wonder with a sophisticated endocrine system that cannot be duplicated. From my own view point I am a woman and am open about what kind of woman I am. I accept and sometimes despair my limitations in a biological sense.

Interesting comments. I know a woman who was born male and is completely woodworked now, she considers herself a woman through and through and doesn't even looks back at her male past if she can help it. She probably wouldn't feel the need to tell someone unless they were going to be closely inspecting her vagina - like her doctor.

And then there are women like Alexis Arquette, who considers herself female, but makes no secret about her past. (It would be hard, given that she's a celebrity, and was photographed a lot as a man.) She has stated that she isn't trying to be a natal woman, she's a transsexual woman, and she is who she is.

I think both are acceptable. I don't think woodworked women are maliciously trying to deceive, I think they just don't feel the need to dwell on it. Of course every transwoman knows she lacks female reproductive organs, XX chromosomes, etc. But some choose to be out about who they are, and some don't. I don't think either should be condemned.

 

[SolariWriter]

SolariWriter it is amazing in this day and age with all the evidence around us that we do not define ourselves within a spectrum that falls between rather than to the extremes of complete female or complete male.
I think most of us identify with one or the other where if you were to do an analysis we probably all have characteristics of both genders. My therapist has a theory that modern man is evolving towards androgyny and that alpha male and alpha female archetypes are a thing of the past. lol we live in an ever evolving world. Gender identity is defined by the individual, it cannot be defined by anyone else. you tell us what you are.

Hmm. I actually wonder if your therapist might not be on to something there with that androgeny thing.

Perhaps we'll find out more as scientists continue to delve ever deeper into what makes us human — our DNA.

SolariWriter

 

[Wolfman1982]

Interesting comments. I know a woman who was born male and is completely woodworked now, she considers herself a woman through and through and doesn't even looks back at her male past if she can help it. She probably wouldn't feel the need to tell someone unless they were going to be closely inspecting her vagina - like her doctor.

And then there are women like Alexis Arquette, who considers herself female, but makes no secret about her past. (It would be hard, given that she's a celebrity, and was photographed a lot as a man.) She has stated that she isn't trying to be a natal woman, she's a transsexual woman, and she is who she is.

I think both are acceptable. I don't think woodworked women are maliciously trying to deceive, I think they just don't feel the need to dwell on it. Of course every transwoman knows she lacks female reproductive organs, XX chromosomes, etc. But some choose to be out about who they are, and some don't. I don't think either should be condemned.

Damn, sometimes you just need a hug from me

 

[Roland_Decker]

i find transsexuals to be very erotic, and i find myself attracted to them physically...Seeing a penis on the body of a woman really excites me.... but i'm also attracted to them as people...i think its very intriguing in the world we live in for someone to live their life as a woman when they are a man or to go through with some surgery...there is a lot on the line socially in situations like that, and if any of you reading this have had a life like that, i commend you for your bravery.

 

[sarawithacock]

Hello,
This is my first post here...and I wanted to put my own experience into this thread.

I am female, but I was born and raised as a boy. That to me sums up the very nature of my journey and definition in terms of gender. I am transgendered.

So much is made of the outward physical part of transition, and for good reason. And that has been very important to me. But I wanted to share my experience with y'all that the hormone treatments I began 5 years ago were far more important to this girl's brain. Something like rearranging a puzzle that had many misplaced pieces.

I think better now, more calm, more in-sync. Thoughts flowed and didn't run into each other. I'm not talking gender stereotypes... for my own self, estrogen was a very effective and necessary treatment. It made me feel light, free....not happier, that was a process of therapy and self-growth...just more....right.

It's something that I hold with much thankfulness and feel is important to share with others. So much focus is on what's between our legs....and of course! sex is wonderful, essential, meaningful. But as a woman with a penis who knows a vagina like someone who lost a limb that can still feel that limb ( if you follow )...well I have not had surgery, I enjoy a healthy sexual relationship with my fiancee...I live and breathe and pray and act and grow as a woman, as female, as the girl I am...

Much has already been said on this board so I will leave it at that for now. I am more than happy to answer any questions, I am very open and proud of who I am. Every day in the world I go about as any other unique and individual girl does, working and living and hoping. Be it happy, or sad, or horny....in that I count myself blessed.

cheers,
Sara.

 

[sarawithacock]

Hello,
This is my first post here...and I wanted to put my own experience into this thread.

I am female, but I was born and raised as a boy. That to me sums up the very nature of my journey and definition in terms of gender. I am transgendered.

So much is made of the outward physical part of transition, and for good reason. And that has been very important to me. But I wanted to share my experience with y'all that the hormone treatments I began 5 years ago were far more important to this girl's brain. Something like rearranging a puzzle that had many misplaced pieces.

I think better now, more calm, more in-sync. Thoughts flowed and didn't run into each other. I'm not talking gender stereotypes... for my own self, estrogen was a very effective and necessary treatment. It made me feel light, free....not happier, that was a process of therapy and self-growth...just more....right.

It's something that I hold with much thankfulness and feel is important to share with others. So much focus is on what's between our legs....and of course! sex is wonderful, essential, meaningful. But as a woman with a penis who knows a vagina like someone who lost a limb that can still feel that limb ( if you follow )...well I have not had surgery, I enjoy a healthy sexual relationship with my fiancee...I live and breathe and pray and act and grow as a woman, as female, as a sexual being, as the girl I am...

Much has already been said on this board so I will leave it at that for now. I am more than happy to answer any questions, I am very open and proud of who I am. Every day in the world I go about as any other unique and individual girl does, working and living and hoping. Be it happy, or sad, or horny....in that I count myself blessed.

cheers,
Sara.

 

[FunkyPinkBitch]

Hello,
This is my first post here...and I wanted to put my own experience into this thread.

I am female, but I was born and raised as a boy. That to me sums up the very nature of my journey and definition in terms of gender. I am transgendered.

So much is made of the outward physical part of transition, and for good reason. And that has been very important to me. But I wanted to share my experience with y'all that the hormone treatments I began 5 years ago were far more important to this girl's brain. Something like rearranging a puzzle that had many misplaced pieces.

I think better now, more calm, more in-sync. Thoughts flowed and didn't run into each other. I'm not talking gender stereotypes... for my own self, estrogen was a very effective and necessary treatment. It made me feel light, free....not happier, that was a process of therapy and self-growth...just more....right.

It's something that I hold with much thankfulness and feel is important to share with others. So much focus is on what's between our legs....and of course! sex is wonderful, essential, meaningful. But as a woman with a penis who knows a vagina like someone who lost a limb that can still feel that limb ( if you follow )...well I have not had surgery, I enjoy a healthy sexual relationship with my fiancee...I live and breathe and pray and act and grow as a woman, as female, as a sexual being, as the girl I am...

Much has already been said on this board so I will leave it at that for now. I am more than happy to answer any questions, I am very open and proud of who I am. Every day in the world I go about as any other unique and individual girl does, working and living and hoping. Be it happy, or sad, or horny....in that I count myself blessed.

cheers,
Sara.

YOU ARE SO COOL! On many Levels Hubby & I get vEry excited by women like you!

 

[sarawithacock]

Thanks!
It's cool to be cool...

 

[Etoile]

Wonderful post, Sara. Welcome.

 

[Sonchyenne]

The girl who severs me is a pre-op, pre-horomone transwoman, so I find this sort of thread valuable. Granted, I just recently found Lit so I'm not sure if the rest of you are still around but, if so, you've got another supportive lurker.

Now to go back and read the informative posts so many of you left.

 

[mutato]

Thank you

I wanted to thank the women who started and commented in this thread. In my time here on Lit I've wandered all over in my desire to learn more about sexuality - specifically mine, but also others. This topic had piqued my curiosity in the past because, as someone noted before, the typical transsexual porn star is what the public imagines when the subject is raised.

I read this thread not to see that, but to learn about those that live it everyday. It is the psychology and the sexuality, not the sex, that I want to learn more about.

I do hope that other transsexual women post here in the future. You have so much to share and I have so much to learn.

 

[Wolfman1982]

Well mutato, you can also read this thread I am linking to. It is also a very insightful thread, I must add to the mix.

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=511176

 

[Stella_Omega]

thank you for bringing this thread to the top. It's a damn fine example of the sort of shit transfolk have to put up with.

 

[Wendy_Summers]

I am a transgender woman living fulltime as female, and I found Phoebe's comments to be pretty much right on target. I view my condition as a 'birth defect' and not as some kind of mental disorder, as so many 'experts' discribe it.
I have felt like a female, and wanted to be female since long before I ever had any idea or notion of what sex was. I tried to conform to society's ideals about gender and live and act as male for most of my life. I married a biological female and raised two children. But I finally reached a point where I either had to accept and deal with my inner feelings or go crazy. I 'came out' to everyone. I began hormone treatments, discarded all my male clothes and began a life as a woman. It cost me my marriage and my career, but I had no other choice. Today, my ex-wife has accepted who I am, and is now my best friend.
I know that I will probably never be able to afford reassignment surgery, and as such, I am very doubtful that I will ever find a man who would fall in love with me and want to marry me, but that's OK. I'm happy non the less. For the past 10 years I've dated and enjoyed sex with men only, and as Phoebe stated,, I could definately tell about some wild sexual adventures. The only thing I ask of anyone who I meet or come into contact with today is that they first treat me as a human being, and secondly as a woman.

 

[mutato]

Question

I have a question for the transgendered women here. When undergoing the hormone therapy what were the effects? How did it alter the masculine aspects of your body and to what extent did it make it more feminine? I ask this to learn, not for the sake of arousal.

 

[Wolfman1982]

thank you for bringing this thread to the top. It's a damn fine example of the sort of shit transfolk have to put up with.

I sure hope, that was not hinted at me. By calling my friends thread "shit", cause that is no way in hell. What I was thinking off, mutato thanked for the insight of this thread, and I do not think you understand why phoebe went after me. Was because I used a now (to me) banned custom title I will never use again. cause it creates too much tension, even though it did never cross my mind it could be seen as offensive to the people I care about and want to protect and defend. So if it was something else, then I retract my wondering, why you uttered that sentence. Cause this is the GLBT chatter ? or am I wrong about that and it has transformed into the GL vs. BT chatter ?

Anyway I do not seem to understand your outburst, cause those posts are so ancient now.

I have a question for the transgendered women here. When undergoing the hormone therapy what were the effects? How did it alter the masculine aspects of your body and to what extent did it make it more feminine? I ask this to learn, not for the sake of arousal.

I can not answer the question at all, about the hormones. But what you said about you want to learn, is something I personally applaud.

 

[mutato]

I wish to learn

For what it's worth, I want clearly state my intentions for posting in this thread.

At first I came to Lit for the purpose of getting myself off. But the more I searched, read, and exchanged PMs with others here, I started learning. In a short time I have learned much about my own sexuality. I have also learned about other lifestyles of all kinds. Things I could never learn in my community.

I ask honest questions here and expect an honest answer in return. I do not seek to mock or insult the transgendered community here. While I may never truly understand what you've experienced and what makes you who you are, I do respect your decision to live as you wish. I will not judge you for your beliefs and sexual proclivities and I expect you to do the same for me.

I want to learn more so that if I have the opportunity to meet a transgendered person I will know how not to be an ignorant, rude idiot.

I shall step off of my soapbox now and look forward to learning.

 

[mutato]

I wish to learn

For what it's worth I want to clearly state my reasons for posting in this thread.

At first I came to Lit for the purpose of getting myself off. But the more I searched, read, and exchanged PMs with others here, I started learning. In a short time I have learned much about my own sexuality. I have also learned about other lifestyles of all kinds. Things I could never learn in my community.

I ask honest questions here and expect an honest answer in return. I do not seek to mock or insult the transgendered community here. While I may never truly understand what you've experienced and what makes you who you are, I do respect your decision to live as you wish. I will not judge you for your beliefs and sexual proclivities and I expect you to do the same for me.

I want to learn more so that if I have the opportunity to meet a transgendered person I will know how not to be an ignorant, rude idiot.

I shall step off of my soapbox now and look forward to learning.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Hi mutato!

As I understand it, hormones-- both male and female are most effective the younger we are, and the older we get the less effect they have on our bodies. I know a transwoman who began hormones at age fifteen-- lucky bitch-- and has never grown a single hair on her pretty little chin. She's never had the operations, but her genitals actually look intersexed-- which she is not, physically. The trick is that she began her treatments so very close to puberty, just when her body started producing testosterone-- just in time to start counteracting it.

Testosterone is incredibly potent stuff. Once you've had it, the effects are nearly ineradicable.

Female hormones will not make male-pattern hair growth go away, although androgen blockers will to some extent. They cannot give you a higher voice, although practice will allow a transwoman to soften her voice, and there are surgery procedures--gmail keeps giving me ads for them when I talk about gender via email. They will cause breasts to bud, not necessarily very large-- but some. Hormones cannot change our bone structure.

What is really interesting though is that female hormones -- and male, if we are going the other way-- do seem to change some of the structures in the brain. MTF's say that they feel less horny and that they simply don't focus on sex 24/7-- and FTM's say that not matter how horny they thought they had been-- suddenly their brains are portable porn palaces. Brains under the influence of female hormones see more colors, smell more smells, and read more emotions in faces.

Swear to god.

Brains influenced by Testosterone see patterns, want to solve problems, see a simpler social world.

 

[mutato]

Thank you Stella for the information, I truly appreciate it.