Trump asleep.....Russia keeps violating NATO airspace

[Rightguide]

Russia's victory is complete capitulation by Ukraine ...it always has been.

I think the first part holds true: given how events have unfolded, this war will ultimately be decided on the battlefield. That said, I still don’t believe Putin has any real interest in ruling over Western Ukraine, it’s more liability than prize.

 

[ll74]

I think the first part holds true: given how events have unfolded, this war will ultimately be decided on the battlefield. That said, I still don’t believe Putin has any real interest in ruling over Western Ukraine, it’s more liability than prize.

Yes, you keep saying that.

Also, you've said within the first year that Russia had won the war.

 

[Rightguide]

Yes, you keep saying that.

Also, you've said within the first year that Russia had won the war.

I know that he has gained ground on the battlefield. Look at the ISW map from two years ago and compare it to today and show me where Ukraine is winning. Militarily, the war is over. All he's doing now is rolling up enough territory to negotiate away while keeping what he wants to keep. Has anyone seen Zelensky or heard from him in the last week? Just askin'. Did you read this article last month? It's not a conservative source:


Zelensky’s Troubles Are About to Worsen

Commentary
Image Credit: Presidential Office of Ukraine

As Trump and Putin meet in Alaska, an embattled Zelensky faces scandal at home and backlash from Central Europe.
August 15, 2025

Ukraine and Volodymyr Zelensky’s exclusion from the high-stakes Alaska Summit between the United States and Russia is the least of the Ukrainian President’s problems. Last month, a power grab by Zelensky prompted tens of thousands to take to the streets across Ukraine. The protesters did not just object to his gutting the independence of the country’s key anti-corruption agencies, but also denounced Zelensky’s undermining of Ukrainian democracy and slide toward authoritarian rule. Unfazed by charges of creeping “autocracy”, Zelensky signed into law a measure that he’d rushed through a parliament dominated by his own political party—and only reversed course when EU officials who control his purse strings demanded it.

Rather than a grave crisis, many of Zelensky’s Western backers downplay the incident and even regard it as proof of his democratic instincts: that once his people spoke, he responded. It does not occur to them that this is the democracy of a banana republic, where the boss ignores civil society and rams self-interested laws through a compliant legislature and only backs down if compelled. They also seem unfazed by Zelensky’s dishonesty; his takeover of anti-corruption bodies was a transparent ploy to protect his political allies and business backers from impending prosecution. Neither does it bother them that he employs the tactics of smear and intimidation, threatening watchdogs with lie-detector tests and claiming that he is merely resisting “Russian infiltration”.

These tactics are denounced by legions of Ukrainian pro-democracy activists, many of whom are veterans of the Maidan “Revolution of Dignity”. They accuse Zelensky’s cronies of exploiting martial law to accumulate wealth and power, a charge echoed by dozens of Ukrainian political figures. Risking denunciation as “pro-Russian”, they argue that the true pro-Russian elements are actually the corrupt officials who sap morale at home and tarnish Ukraine’s image abroad.

To grasp the implications of Kiev’s leadership crisis—for the U.S. as well as Europe—it helps to view it through the eyes of Ukraine’s Central European neighbors: those who know the country well, see its regional impacts clearly, and who never succumbed to the lionization of Zelensky that impedes clear-eyed assessment in the West. What they fear is a Ukrainian state far from the revived, resurgent country imagined in Brussels and Washington. Rather, it is a stagnant, corrupt, depopulated dependent of the EU that resembles not Poland but a bloated Bosnia or Kosovo.

https://peacediplomacy.org/about-us/

 

[latecomer91364]

So the idea that the leftists are going with is that Trump is worse than Putin. If you're an idiot LeftSheep, it makes perfect sense.

This is, after all, the party of 'up is down' and 'good is bad,' isn't it?

 

[dmallord]

Are you stupid, or what?
Do you really think that I'm in 'The Situation Room' to hear the actual plans?


Something is coming, but I am not privy to the particulars.

Everybody knows that. What's coming is the concept of a plan... that's about as far as anything gets. It's like giving Putin two weeks, so in two weeks we'll know if he is tapping me along, is what Trump said. No particlulars on that matter either.

With trump, there is no need for a situation room, nothing is happening in there.

 

[ll74]

And EXACTLY what would you mental midgets do?

Obviously we would do exactly what dear leader is doing......grab that Putin bro pic and hold on tight hoping the romantic letters will convince the strong burly muscular Putin to.follow through on the promises he made behind closed doors.

Did you see? He gave dear leader a photo of the Alaskan summit and signed it for him.

It's obvious he really likes dear leader.....they have a good relationship.

 

[dmallord]

So explain the logic of a supposed Russian “strategy for victory” in Ukraine that relies on poking NATO by violating Estonian airspace, a move that could trigger a far larger conflict Moscow doesn’t want. To me, the far likelier explanation is that the incident over Estonia was either a navigational slip or, if intentional, a calibrated show of force meant to rattle a small NATO state without actually provoking a response. In other words, a bit of theater: intimidation on the cheap, banking on the fact that NATO isn’t eager to escalate militarily over a brief incursion.

Parallels Trumps rolling in on an invisble jet and taking out Jimmy Kimmel. Got one down... then rolled another airstrike on the other comedians. Gonna pick them off Mafia style according to Lyin' Ted Cruz. When Trump's salivating don't go near his invisible jet... it more than cheap intimidation: it's strafing American Democracy.

 

[ll74]

I know that he has gained ground on the battlefield. Look at the ISW map from two years ago and compare it to today and show me where Ukraine is winning. Militarily, the war is over. All he's doing now is rolling up enough territory to negotiate away while keeping what he wants to keep. Has anyone seen Zelensky or heard from him in the last week? Just askin'. Did you read this article last month? It's not a conservative source:


Zelensky’s Troubles Are About to Worsen

Commentary
Image Credit: Presidential Office of Ukraine

As Trump and Putin meet in Alaska, an embattled Zelensky faces scandal at home and backlash from Central Europe.
August 15, 2025

Ukraine and Volodymyr Zelensky’s exclusion from the high-stakes Alaska Summit between the United States and Russia is the least of the Ukrainian President’s problems. Last month, a power grab by Zelensky prompted tens of thousands to take to the streets across Ukraine. The protesters did not just object to his gutting the independence of the country’s key anti-corruption agencies, but also denounced Zelensky’s undermining of Ukrainian democracy and slide toward authoritarian rule. Unfazed by charges of creeping “autocracy”, Zelensky signed into law a measure that he’d rushed through a parliament dominated by his own political party—and only reversed course when EU officials who control his purse strings demanded it.

Rather than a grave crisis, many of Zelensky’s Western backers downplay the incident and even regard it as proof of his democratic instincts: that once his people spoke, he responded. It does not occur to them that this is the democracy of a banana republic, where the boss ignores civil society and rams self-interested laws through a compliant legislature and only backs down if compelled. They also seem unfazed by Zelensky’s dishonesty; his takeover of anti-corruption bodies was a transparent ploy to protect his political allies and business backers from impending prosecution. Neither does it bother them that he employs the tactics of smear and intimidation, threatening watchdogs with lie-detector tests and claiming that he is merely resisting “Russian infiltration”.

These tactics are denounced by legions of Ukrainian pro-democracy activists, many of whom are veterans of the Maidan “Revolution of Dignity”. They accuse Zelensky’s cronies of exploiting martial law to accumulate wealth and power, a charge echoed by dozens of Ukrainian political figures. Risking denunciation as “pro-Russian”, they argue that the true pro-Russian elements are actually the corrupt officials who sap morale at home and tarnish Ukraine’s image abroad.

To grasp the implications of Kiev’s leadership crisis—for the U.S. as well as Europe—it helps to view it through the eyes of Ukraine’s Central European neighbors: those who know the country well, see its regional impacts clearly, and who never succumbed to the lionization of Zelensky that impedes clear-eyed assessment in the West. What they fear is a Ukrainian state far from the revived, resurgent country imagined in Brussels and Washington. Rather, it is a stagnant, corrupt, depopulated dependent of the EU that resembles not Poland but a bloated Bosnia or Kosovo.

https://peacediplomacy.org/about-us/

Btw - you didn't actually link to the article - https://peacediplomacy.org/2025/08/15/zelenskys-troubles-are-about-to-worsen/

The Ukranian people can call for an election at any time. Unfortunately the majority of their country aren't available to vote because they've either fled or been on the front lines of the war.

 

[1984X2024]

GOOD: Poland will shoot down objects in clear-cut airspace violations, prime minister says.

NATO member Poland will not hesitate to shoot down objects that violate its airspace and pose a threat, but will take a more cautious approach to situations that are less clear-cut, the prime minister said on Monday.
Estonia said three Russian fighter jets violated its airspace on Friday, adding to a sense among NATO leaders that Moscow is testing the alliance’s readiness and resolve, with some urging a firm response. The United Nations Security Council is due to meet on Monday to discuss the incident.
Russia said on Monday the claim its jets violated Estonian airspace was false and designed to stir up tension.
The alleged incursion over Estonia came after more than 20 Russian drones entered Polish airspace on the night of September 9-10. Poland also said on Friday two Russian fighter jets violated the safety zone of the Petrobaltic drilling platform, opens new tab in the Baltic Sea.
“We will take the decision to shoot down flying objects when they violate our territory and fly over Poland – there is absolutely no discussion about that,” Donald Tusk told a news conference.

The bully will keep pushing until punched in the nose.