Trump Gives NATO A Kick In The Pants

[LoneMilf]

No I think they should pay for their own shit and fight their own wars.



I agree, America is getting fucked and we should GTFO of NATO. It's not good for us.



Then it won't matter if we take all of the force application and projection, because we have essentially all of it and leave.

Yet that's not the observable reaction we're getting at just the mention of doing so.

So you stopped defending your previous comments about the US doing much more than they should and focus on wanting to get the US out of NATO. That's a different point, but fair enough. The EU isn't forcing the US to be part of NATO - they can leave if they want. That would essentially mean the end of the alliance and it would most likely be replaced by an EU army. Nothing wrong with that.

But the US has not done that. I guess they must see some value to NATO after all.

 

[Rightguide]

If it weren't so ridiculous, it would be quite amusing to read Americans ‘predicting’ or ‘explaining’ what Europe will do and how it works. Even your Vice President is stupid enough to accuse Europeans of suppressing freedom of speech just because they insist that laws be obeyed. Unthinkable in the US. Law and order? That's what the ‘President’ thinks it is.
The fool in chief has done his country another disservice. What will happen? More precisely: what is already happening?
Europeans are buying European weapons systems while massively rearming their armies.
Yes, European industry has a problem. American tariffs. Until now, Europe has been supplying industrial goods, special steels and machinery to the US, and the US has been supplying services in return. The failed ‘business genius’ never understood this and is destroying it. US industry is suffering because it depends on European machinery and semi-finished products, and European industry is suffering because a large part of its market is collapsing. Nobody wins. Thank you, Mr President, for another stroke of genius.
Oh yes, the oh-so-expensive European welfare state. It is financed by taxes, which are remarkably constant. The welfare state works. If you want to study, you go to university. It is paid for by taxes that you will pay later. If you need money to study, you can get an extremely cheap loan.
If you are ill, you go to the doctor. You are insured, there is no upper limit, no matter how much you pay for your insurance, but the lower your income, the lower your rate.
If you become unemployed, you receive money and support until you find work again. This is even better for the state financially, because then you will pay taxes again.
And so on.
In short, those who have and those who can help those who have nothing and cannot. This is called a solidarity-based community. Unthinkable in the United States of Avarice.

Again, we hear Europeans predicting what Americans understand about Europe? Half your politicians can’t agree on what “Europe” even is without a committee meeting, a white paper, and six months of diplomatic throat-clearing. Please, spare us the continental superiority act. Your position of late is “We don’t suppress speech, we just criminalize the speech we don’t like,” here we have free speech.

Europe has been playing games with protectionist regulations, VAT manipulation, and trade barriers for decades, but the moment the U.S. defends its own interests, suddenly it’s “economic vandalism.” The truth is this: Europe isn’t suffering because the U.S. did something new; it’s suffering because the illusion of its economic invincibility evaporates the instant someone stops subsidizing its comfort. 80 plus years of rescue and babysitting Europe while it emerges from its own penchant for self destruction is quite enough.

 

[Vetteman]

We can't afford it. It's not an emotional decision. It has to do with practicality and strategy.

That’s an ass load of horseshit. Thanks to Trump Americas has tons of cash. Trump is about to give every American $7,000 (5K for DOGE & 2K from tariffs). I put 7,000 times 340 million in the calculator and it wouldn’t even fit.

 

[Meekly_Anna]

Again, we hear Europeans predicting what Americans understand about Europe? Half your politicians can’t agree on what “Europe” even is without a committee meeting, a white paper, and six months of diplomatic throat-clearing. Please, spare us the continental superiority act. Your position of late is “We don’t suppress speech, we just criminalize the speech we don’t like,” here we have free speech.

Europe has been playing games with protectionist regulations, VAT manipulation, and trade barriers for decades, but the moment the U.S. defends its own interests, suddenly it’s “economic vandalism.” The truth is this: Europe isn’t suffering because the U.S. did something new; it’s suffering because the illusion of its economic invincibility evaporates the instant someone stops subsidizing its comfort. 80 plus years of rescue and babysitting Europe while it emerges from its own penchant for self destruction is quite enough.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
The US market is thoroughly protectionist. And just try standing on the street in Texas and calling the governor an idiot. Factually correct, but let's hope you're wearing a bulletproof vest.
And yes, it is forbidden to say things in public that we don't like. For example, things that violate the law. Laws are those things that a democratically elected parliament decides on. At least in the civilised world. It's different with you. All it takes is one idiot with a felt-tip pen.

 

[Cogan]

Why does the USA have that authority in the first place??

Right....

And then whines about having it.......

One of the longest running on the planet. Despite Democrats best efforts to subvert it.

It's not half of the European democracies. Are you borne into yours so you get a note sent home to vote or do you have to register first?
In my opinion a true democracy all that is born in the country get a vote when you are born to use when you turn 18.

Then why don't you just tell Trump to STFU or you'll come kick our ass???

I thought you didn't want a war?

Justify it all you want, you don't have the force projection power the US does, it's not even close.

Now you are just talking in circles.

As long as they kept it over there, I wouldn't.

And still you have an opinion about how we live our life.
Just take the rest of your forces and leave us alone! If you had done that so we could build our own defense things would look a bit different today.

 

[HisArpy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

Psst, hey buddy, wanna history lesson?

JOE BIDEN was President when Russia invaded Ukraine, not Donald Trump.

I also seem to remember something about Obama sending blankets when Russia seized Crimea instead of coming to Ukraine's defense. Again, the President wasn't Donald Trump at the time.

That means your TDS driven narrative falls apart at the very beginning, Budapest memorandum or not, because Trump wasn't the President. So, if you have a problem with the US not living up to its obligations, BLAME JOE BIDEN AND BARAK OBAMA.

 

[Chadrone]

But the US has not done that. I guess they must see some value to NATO after all.

Not yet, they've just been put on notice.

All the warmonger contractors love it. So getting either 2/3 the Senate or a whole ass act of congress to leave NATO will be a pretty steep political challenge.

 

[HisArpy]

So you think every country should contribute the same? Denmark, with a population of 6 million should contribute the same as the US? That makes no sense. The US has made very significant contributions to NATO no matter how you measure it, but to say that they are insanely disproportionate or that the EU is using the US as their private military also does not make sense.

Sweety, each member nation of NATO signed onto the agreement whereby they were supposed to contributed 3% of their GDP.

You know how much they were contributing when Trump took office? <2% in most cases.

 

[Chadrone]

Laws are those things that a democratically elected parliament decides on. At least in the civilised world. It's different with you. All it takes is one idiot with a felt-tip pen.

When you realize he's just enforcing laws our Congress passed your whold shtick falls apart.

Democracy got you down?? Must be hard to watch it not go your way.

 

[LoneMilf]

Sweety, each member nation of NATO signed onto the agreement whereby they were supposed to contributed 3% of their GDP.

You know how much they were contributing when Trump took office? <2% in most cases.

Pumpkin, since 2014, the contribution target has been 2% It has never been 3%

Also, this is a measure of how much each country should spend on their national armies. It is not money paid to NATO.

 

[Chadrone]

It's not half of the European democracies. Are you borne into yours so you get a note sent home to vote or do you have to register first?

You have to register, the fuck does that matter?

In my opinion a true democracy all that is born in the country get a vote when you are born to use when you turn 18.

In mine only people who contribute to the country and pass a citizenship test get to vote. Everyone else can fuck right off.

I thought you didn't want a war?

That wouldn't be a war, that would be like 8hrs for a carrier fleet......

And I don't. You're the one who was being Mr. Toughy. My point was Germany is weak.

Now you are just talking in circles.

Nope, still standing next to the reality you're desperate to ignore.

And still you have an opinion about how we live our life.

You have one about how we live ours. So what?

Just take the rest of your forces and leave us alone!

I agree, we should pull EVERYTHING TODAY .

If you had done that so we could build our own defense things would look a bit different today.

Again. yea you guys would be doing WW3 right now.

 

[HisArpy]

Pumpkin, since 2014, the contribution target has been 2% It has never been 3%

Also, this is a measure of how much each country should spend on their national armies. It is not money paid to NATO.

Currently the target is 3% with step up to 3.5% toward a future goal of 5% by 2035.

Then there's this:

Key European Countries Below 2% (Recent Years)

• Spain: Consistently low, around 1.2-1.24% in 2023/2024.
• Germany: Around 1.5-1.6% in recent years, though boosting spending.
• Italy: Around 1.5% in 2024, aiming for 2%.
• Belgium: Around 1.1-1.3%, with plans to increase.
• Netherlands: Around 1.53% in 2023.
• Portugal: Around 1.5% in 2024, with plans to reach 2%.
• Luxembourg: Very low, at 0.72-0.75% in 2023.
• North Macedonia: Around 1.7% in 2023.
• Montenegro: Around 1.63% in 2023.

So save your shit for someone who's stupid enough to believe it.

 

[Cogan]

Psst, hey buddy, wanna history lesson?

JOE BIDEN was President when Russia invaded Ukraine, not Donald Trump.

I also seem to remember something about Obama sending blankets when Russia seized Crimea instead of coming to Ukraine's defense. Again, the President wasn't Donald Trump at the time.

That means your TDS driven narrative falls apart at the very beginning, Budapest memorandum or not, because Trump wasn't the President. So, if you have a problem with the US not living up to its obligations, BLAME JOE BIDEN AND BARAK OBAMA.

Nope. I'll blame the USA. An agreement is an agreement.
And do you think Trump had done anything different? I think he'd do nothing. Just sit there and watch a country disappear. No help from him. He's helping Putin as much as he can and don 't think we see it.

 

[HisArpy]

Nope. I'll blame the USA. An agreement is an agreement.
And do you think Trump had done anything different? I think he'd do nothing. Just sit there and watch a country disappear. No help from him. He's helping Putin as much as he can and don 't think we see it.

You're not blaming the US, you're blaming Trump specifically. How do I know this?

Because you didn't make a peep when Biden was President. Nor when Obama was.

I also note how you fail to mention that your own country, Sweden, didn't fulfill its obligations under the memorandum.

So save your faux outrage and bullshit, you got nothing but TDS.

 

[LoneMilf]

Currently the target is 3% with step up to 3.5% toward a future goal of 5% by 2035.

Then there's this:



So save your shit for someone who's stupid enough to believe it.

Can you please provide a link that shows a current target of 3%?
I have not heard that before

 

[Rightguide]

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
The US market is thoroughly protectionist. And just try standing on the street in Texas and calling the governor an idiot. Factually correct, but let's hope you're wearing a bulletproof vest.
And yes, it is forbidden to say things in public that we don't like. For example, things that violate the law. Laws are those things that a democratically elected parliament decides on. At least in the civilised world. It's different with you. All it takes is one idiot with a felt-tip pen.

Here we have another ignorant European delivering lectures about America with the confidence of someone whose entire understanding of the U.S. comes from BBC headlines and Netflix garbage. Let’s break down this little care package of ignorance.

“The US market is thoroughly protectionist.”

Says a citizen of the continent that practically invented regulatory protectionism. The EU hides tariffs inside “standards,” “certifications,” and “environmental requirements” so thick you need a legal archaeologist to dig through them. Europe’s been playing keep-out games with foreign competition since before the U.S. existed, but hey, tell me more about American protectionism.

“Try standing on a street in Texas calling the governor an idiot.”

People in Texas call their politicians idiots all the time. They do it openly, loudly, sometimes into microphones, sometimes on live radio, and all the time right here, ask Rob. Here's what doesn’t happen? Police swooping in to arrest them because the governor’s ego needs legal protection. The fact that you think Texas operates like a medieval duchy tells me you’ve never set foot anywhere near Texas.

“Wear a bulletproof vest.”

Cool stereotype. Meanwhile, Europe has entire neighborhoods where police won’t enter without armor and backup, but yes, tell us more about public safety in Europe.

“It is forbidden to say things in public that we don’t like… laws decided by a democratically elected parliament.”
Translation: we criminalize speech, but we feel good about it because a committee voted on it. That’s not “civilized,” that’s just bureaucratic authoritarianism writ large. I know you genuinely think that if a parliament votes to limit speech, suddenly it’s enlightened policy rather than censorship. Just because it's a group project doesn’t make it freedom-friendly.

“With you it only takes one idiot with a felt-tip pen.”

And yet, despite all your committee meetings, subcommittees, and committees to review the committees, Europe still manages to produce some of the most brittle, hypersensitive speech codes in the developed world. In the United States, one person with a pen can’t outlaw speech. In Europe, a simple majority of people who confuse “disagreement” with “harm” absolutely can, and already have. Because you're stupid and ready to open the curtain on a new era similar to the 1930s.

So before lecturing Americans on freedom, markets, or safety, maybe take a moment to notice the irony: You’re defending censorship, misunderstanding the U.S., and projecting Europe’s insecurities as if they’re facts. You don't just live in a glass house. you live in a crystal cathedral. Now, go and bore us no more.

 

[HisArpy]

Can you please provide a link that shows a current target of 3%?
I have not heard that before

The video is the link. Member nations agree to increase spending from the current 3% target, to 3.5%, to 5% by 2035 split between the 3.5% defense requirement and 1.5% for other needs.

Google can also provide you with more info on it in depth and detail.

 

[Chadrone]

Nope. I'll blame the USA. An agreement is an agreement.
And do you think Trump had done anything different? I think he'd do nothing. Just sit there and watch a country disappear. No help from him. He's helping Putin as much as he can and don 't think we see it.

"Trump won't send American forces to fight WW3 that Germany wishes it could be starting right now!! REEEEEE!!!!!!" LOL

Literally mad that the USA won't go kick Russias ass after you antagonized the shit out of him for 30 years.

You're like the drunk bitch that goes and picks a fight with some killers and then expects her BF to play meat shield for her.

 

[LoneMilf]

The video is the link. Member nations agree to increase spending from the current 3% target, to 3.5%, to 5% by 2035 split between the 3.5% defense requirement and 1.5% for other needs.

Google can also provide you with more info on it in depth and detail.

I see no reference to 3% in either the video or anywhere else. Do you have a source?

 

[Rightguide]

"Trump won't send American forces to fight WW3 that Germany wishes it could be starting right now!! REEEEEE!!!!!!" LOL

Literally mad that the USA won't go kick Russias ass after you antagonized the shit out of him for 30 years.

You're like the drunk bitch that goes and picks a fight with some killers and then expects her BF to play meat shield for her.

Precisely. Europe treated NATO like a gym membership, they liked having it, but God forbid they actually put in the work. They spent decades fattening their welfare states while the U.S. played global babysitter. If they want credibility, they can stop outsourcing their defense to Washington and start funding something other than social programs and half-functioning armies.

 

[Cogan]

You have to register, the fuck does that matter?

In mine only people who contribute to the country and pass a citizenship test get to vote. Everyone else can fuck right off.

The land of the free........

 

[Chadrone]

Precisely. Europe treated NATO like a gym membership, they liked having it, but God forbid they actually put in the work. They spent decades fattening their welfare states while the U.S. played global babysitter. If they want credibility, they can stop outsourcing their defense to Washington and start funding something other than social programs and half-functioning armies.

BUT THAT'S FASCISM!!!

 

[Chadrone]

The land of the free........

Doesn't include voting other people out of their freedom and prosperity.

America never claimed nor advertised itself as an anarcho communist state where veryone gets to do WHATEVER the fuck they want.

American freedom doesn't include the freedom to violate others and rob them of their prosperity because commie feefees about equity.

 

[Rightguide]

Can you please provide a link that shows a current target of 3%?
I have not heard that before

In June 2025, at the summit in The Hague, NATO leaders agreed on a new, more ambitious target: by 2035, each ally should aim to spend 5% of GDP annually on defence and security-related needs. Defense News+2NATO+2
That 5% goal is broken down into two parts:

3.5% of GDP on “core defence requirements.” The Guardian+1
Up to 1.5% of GDP on broader security- and defence-related spending: infrastructure, cybersecurity, civil preparedness, defence-industrial base, etc. NATO+1

Allies are expected to submit annual plans showing a “credible, incremental path” toward reaching the 5% goal. NATO+1

 

[LoneMilf]

In June 2025, at the summit in The Hague, NATO leaders agreed on a new, more ambitious target: by 2035, each ally should aim to spend 5% of GDP annually on defence and security-related needs. Defense News+2NATO+2
That 5% goal is broken down into two parts:

3.5% of GDP on “core defence requirements.” The Guardian+1
Up to 1.5% of GDP on broader security- and defence-related spending: infrastructure, cybersecurity, civil preparedness, defence-industrial base, etc. NATO+1

Allies are expected to submit annual plans showing a “credible, incremental path” toward reaching the 5% goal. NATO+1

Thank you. That is exactly the same information I can find - but HisArpy keeps claiming that there is a current target of 3%