Twenty Years Later, 'An Inconvenient Truth' Has Been Thoroughly Debunked

[Mature_fun_wife]

Your support of air pollution is noted.

I was contracted to make the study, when the facts didn’t fit the narrative I wasn’t paid. If I could charge royalties for how often I have been quoted I could have made more than my contract.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Oh yes it did. I grew up in Northern California and the state went all out on how we can prepare for the pending cold. People built bunkers and were trying to grow crops underground, new types of insulation were frantically being developed. It was madness for the better part of a decade.

Then you had people of abysmal intelligence. That was NEVER the majority view. And the part of it that WAS was based on things we fixed.

 

[Mature_fun_wife]

Then you had people of abysmal intelligence. That was NEVER the majority view. And the part of it that WAS was based on things we fixed.

Not saying state government was correct, (obviously not) only that, yes it in fact happened.

 

[MerryeMikee]

Oh yes it did. I grew up in Northern California and the state went all out on how we can prepare for the pending cold. People built bunkers and were trying to grow crops underground, new types of insulation were frantically being developed. It was madness for the better part of a decade.

One of the benefits of being old and not yet having lost my mind totally, is that I remember that era. It was a time when (for those with eyes to see) that Earth was (and geologically still is) in an inter-glacial. So, all things being equal, it was rational to assume that preparations for a cooling climate would be necessary - though perhaps over-enthusiastically rushed, as you saw in Northern California.

Interesting to follow the rationalwiki link, above, where I found this:
“The danger of global warming is as yet unseen, but real enough for us to make changes and sacrifices, so that we do not live at the expense of future generations. Our ability to come together to stop or limit damage to the world's environment will be perhaps the greatest test of how far we can act as a world community. No one should underestimate the imagination that will be required, nor the scientific effort, nor the unprecedented co-operation we shall have to show. We shall need statesmanship of a rare order.”
Margaret Thatcher 1990, UK Prime Minister at the time, and, unusually for a politician, a scientist (chemist).

 

[MajorRewrite]

I was contracted to make the study, when the facts didn’t fit the narrative I wasn’t paid. If I could charge royalties for how often I have been quoted I could have made more than my contract.

And then you and MTG used the hurricane steering machine to attack New York.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Not saying state government was correct, (obviously not) only that, yes it in fact happened.

State government? We're talking about scientific consensus not a state making a crazy call. Given how California tends to operate I find it even more unlikely that what you claim happened went that way.

 

[briancamdudetenger2018]

isnt this the climate change documentary from the 1990s by former vice president of us of a albert gore

 

[stxjimmy]

As with most things, carbons in the air is a math question. Where are the carbons coming from and how are they getting in the air. Great Britain is .2% of all the pollution in the world. Even if Great Britain could possibly manage to not emit any pollution it would do nothing in “saving the world”.

A quick google came up with a range of 0.8 - 1.1% for the uk.
The point of any country cutting emissions is to not give others a let out, and to recognise the problem is a global matter which needs global attention.

 

[stxjimmy]

Kinda sucks for the Climate Alarmists that people keep their receipts.

Kinda sucks for the right too that their cronies are rubbing their hands with glee at the new opportunities created by the retreating sea ice in the arctic.

And trumps ham fisted attempt to grab Greenland is further confirmation that the sea ice is receding as predicted by those same climate alarmists you refer too.

 

[jhenry922]

When are you moving to Canada?

Born here, asshole

 

[Wilson23]

isnt this the climate change documentary from the 1990s by former vice president of us of a albert gore

Yes: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/An_Inconvenient_Truth

 

[Mature_fun_wife]

A auick google came up with a range of 0.8 - 1.1% for the uk.
The point of any country cutting emissions is to not give others a let out, and to recognise the problem is a global matter which needs global attention.

Please ask yourself why all countries are taking coal power plants offline but china is bringing more online. How is this a global matter?

 

[oryginalny]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2015274133920055384

 

[Sean Renaud]

Al Gore was never a scientist. He starts even this tiny clip with SOME scientists, so not a consensus and then mentions a specific doctor. Meanwhile in current events Greenland is of strategic importance because . . .oh shit nobody has ever even pretended its about natural resources. That's of course a major factor but the reality is the opening of the Arctic Ocean militarily/economically (There needs to be a combined word for those two things because they are intertwined and always have been) is something militaries believe. I've been told follow the money since I was a child. It seems wise to do that.

Also for anybody who voted Trump and are in the way of this storm. May you have the disaster you deserve.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Al Gore was never a scientist. He starts even this tiny clip with SOME scientists, so not a consensus and then mentions a specific doctor. Meanwhile in current events Greenland is of strategic importance because . . .oh shit nobody has ever even pretended its about natural resources. That's of course a major factor but the reality is the opening of the Arctic Ocean militarily/economically (There needs to be a combined word for those two things because they are intertwined and always have been) is something militaries believe. I've been told follow the money since I was a child. It seems wise to do that.

Also for anybody who voted Trump and are in the way of this storm. May you have the disaster you deserve.

Agreed. You also pointed out something I only first heard about yesterday, that the "Annexation of Greenland" has a third component (in addition to strategic military bases and rare earth mineral reserves): With global warming proceeding at an alarming rate, the melting polar icecap at the edge of GreenIceland has uncovered new, shorter shipping lanes from North America to northern Europe. MOAR PROFITS!

 

[Wilson23]

That's of course a major factor but the reality is the opening of the Arctic Ocean militarily/economically (There needs to be a combined word for those two things because they are intertwined and always have been) is something militaries believe. I've been told follow the money since I was a child. It seems wise to do that.

But of course they can't say that out loud -- it would mean acknowledging climate change is real.

 

[Lazaran]

Kinda sucks for the right too that their cronies are rubbing their hands with glee at the new opportunities created by the retreating sea ice in the arctic.

And trumps ham fisted attempt to grab Greenland is further confirmation that the sea ice is receding as predicted by those same climate alarmists you refer too.

The fact that the Thwaites glacier is melting at an alarming pace and will likely raise sea levels TWO AND A HALF FEET (with the real potential being a TEN FOOT sea level rise due to the other glaciers being held back by the Thwaites glacier also likely to melt) those northern shipping lanes should be wide open…

Of course, most of the world’s coastlines will be inundated, and many shipping ports rendered inoperable, but we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it… (and we’ll probably need more bridges)…



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Agreed. You also pointed out something I only first heard about yesterday, that the "Annexation of Greenland" has a third component (in addition to strategic military bases and rare earth mineral reserves): With global warming proceeding at an alarming rate, the melting polar icecap at the edge of GreenIceland has uncovered new, shorter shipping lanes from North America to northern Europe. MOAR PROFITS!

I'm mildly shocked you didn't hear about that until the last few days or weeks. The Russians investing in ice breaker ships has been a thing for a while. But yes more shipping lanes will open and create more profits. I also have to point out as I do from time to time we still had fucking slaves when we figured out green house gases. 130 years almost exactly since the connection was made to burning coal. This is not some hippy dippy science that popped up the 90s with Ferngully and Captain Planet.

 

[stxjimmy]

The fact that the Thwaites glacier is melting at an alarming pace and will likely raise sea levels TWO AND A HALF FEET (with the real potential being a TEN FOOT sea level rise due to the other glaciers being held back by the Thwaites glacier also likely to melt) those northern shipping lanes should be wide open…

Of course, most of the world’s coastlines will be inundated, and many shipping ports rendered inoperable, but we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it… (and we’ll probably need more bridges)…



We. Told. Them. So.

Trouble is they’re not in the slightest receptive.

 

[Wilson23]

The fact that the Thwaites glacier is melting at an alarming pace

But its collapse is not expected for 200 to 900 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thwaites_Glacier#Predicted_timelines_for_glacier_collapse

 

[stxjimmy]

The fact that the Thwaites glacier is melting at an alarming pace and will likely raise sea levels TWO AND A HALF FEET (with the real potential being a TEN FOOT sea level rise due to the other glaciers being held back by the Thwaites glacier also likely to melt) those northern shipping lanes should be wide open…

Of course, most of the world’s coastlines will be inundated, and many shipping ports rendered inoperable, but we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it… (and we’ll probably need more bridges)…



We. Told. Them. So.

The devil is in the detail. Ignorance of science and detail doesn’t work any more. The right aren’t to be trusted with anything, have no attention span and can’t be relied upon to make reliable future plans.
But I realise you know this, just a pity they can’t conceive a better fairer future or its desirability.

 

[briancamdudetenger2018]

Yes: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/An_Inconvenient_Truth

oh ok

i think it was back in the 90s that albert gore predicted or was it said that global warning coming to earth in 20 to 30 years

 

[Sean Renaud]

But its collapse is not expected for 200 to 900 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thwaites_Glacier#Predicted_timelines_for_glacier_collapse

Which is plenty of time to adjust. There are things that are problems in the here and now. I do believe that some of us will live long enough to see shipping in the north to be a thing. I don't foresee a majorit of our ports being rendered useless. This is why I laugh so hard at Climate Deniers pointing out the Obamas and I think more recently Biden but it was some high ranging liberal/democrat buying ocean front turt. Like they don't understand that where Obama's house in Martha's Vineyard is will be "underwater" more accurately almost exactly sea level in a little over a century if everything goes exactly as predicted. Which means its not Obama's problem. Sasha (Obama's younger daughter) is 24. If she lives to be one of the oldest people in modern history its not going to be HER problem. I know the rich and powerful live longer lies than the rest of us so yeah if Obama gets grand children it might be a problem for them. MIGHT. a century is a long time to fill sand bags or whatever bullshit is needed to hold back the sea. I know its possible.

The kicker there are so many fucking moving parts to climate change that I'm not sure how off these predictions are and I suspect they are probably far, far too conservative. How do you factor for trees being cut down which yes absorb CO2 but also provide shelter that keeps heat from gathering in areas. Ice reflects heat back into space so fewer glaciers reflect less energy. BUT I'm not an expert on how exactly the reflection works. does greater surface area=more heat reflected? Like if I have an ice cube so its a cubic inch what happens if I melt it, then freeze it again. I have the exact same amount of ice and water (shut up about evaporation guys) SAME AMOUNT OF WATER AND ICE. But now I have a much greater surface area.

We're seeing methane released and nobody really knows whats under the ice in Antarctica. Might be the great lizard and crab people alliance I've been reading about since Rick Scott was found back in the 90s. Water vapor is also incredibly potent as a green house gas and our civilization is heavily invested in business as usual. As anybody who lives in So Cal. If we start getting regular rain we're all dead. Our infrastructure cannot handle it. Oh and I believe it was lake Mead over in Vegas that was drying up and revealing all the bodies the Mafia hid over the years not that long ago. FUCK if our regularly scheduled droughts get anyworse we ALSO die. Also Vegas goes first, at least we can build massive Salination plants. It will fucking suck but we have options. Vegas. . .

Then we have the entire middle east and I do not even want to think about climate refugees, potential water wars which I find less likely than massive refugee movements and societies that aren't built to handle a sudden influx of people.

Oh and final point on fucking Greenland we know Trump and his buddies want to build freedom towns and. . .yeah the idea is romantic. I did play Bioshock. I know how that story ends. I have seen company towns and at least with a company town you CAN drive to the net city or three over. If your family get stuck in Bezoville, Muskdown or New Zuck City the guy who writes your checks likely owns the supermarket you're going to shop at, the loan on your house or the apartment you live in. Its fuedalism with extra steps. I know things aren't great now but seriously.






https://www.beaconjournal.com/gcdn/presto/2022/03/28/NABJ/3d2a7a38-1b1a-4749-8f86-944c74b1c89c-bat_boy_chase.jpg?crop=599,337,x0,y0&width=599&height=337&format=pjpg&auto=webp

 

[Wilson23]

oh ok

i think it was back in the 90s that albert gore predicted or was it said that global warning coming to earth in 20 to 30 years

No, it was already going on then, and has been since the coal-fired steam engine was invented.

 

[stxjimmy]

Which is plenty of time to adjust. There are things that are problems in the here and now. I do believe that some of us will live long enough to see shipping in the north to be a thing. I don't foresee a majorit of our ports being rendered useless. This is why I laugh so hard at Climate Deniers pointing out the Obamas and I think more recently Biden but it was some high ranging liberal/democrat buying ocean front turt. Like they don't understand that where Obama's house in Martha's Vineyard is will be "underwater" more accurately almost exactly sea level in a little over a century if everything goes exactly as predicted. Which means its not Obama's problem. Sasha (Obama's younger daughter) is 24. If she lives to be one of the oldest people in modern history its not going to be HER problem. I know the rich and powerful live longer lies than the rest of us so yeah if Obama gets grand children it might be a problem for them. MIGHT. a century is a long time to fill sand bags or whatever bullshit is needed to hold back the sea. I know its possible.

The kicker there are so many fucking moving parts to climate change that I'm not sure how off these predictions are and I suspect they are probably far, far too conservative. How do you factor for trees being cut down which yes absorb CO2 but also provide shelter that keeps heat from gathering in areas. Ice reflects heat back into space so fewer glaciers reflect less energy. BUT I'm not an expert on how exactly the reflection works. does greater surface area=more heat reflected? Like if I have an ice cube so its a cubic inch what happens if I melt it, then freeze it again. I have the exact same amount of ice and water (shut up about evaporation guys) SAME AMOUNT OF WATER AND ICE. But now I have a much greater surface area.

We're seeing methane released and nobody really knows whats under the ice in Antarctica. Might be the great lizard and crab people alliance I've been reading about since Rick Scott was found back in the 90s. Water vapor is also incredibly potent as a green house gas and our civilization is heavily invested in business as usual. As anybody who lives in So Cal. If we start getting regular rain we're all dead. Our infrastructure cannot handle it. Oh and I believe it was lake Mead over in Vegas that was drying up and revealing all the bodies the Mafia hid over the years not that long ago. FUCK if our regularly scheduled droughts get anyworse we ALSO die. Also Vegas goes first, at least we can build massive Salination plants. It will fucking suck but we have options. Vegas. . .

Then we have the entire middle east and I do not even want to think about climate refugees, potential water wars which I find less likely than massive refugee movements and societies that aren't built to handle a sudden influx of people.

Oh and final point on fucking Greenland we know Trump and his buddies want to build freedom towns and. . .yeah the idea is romantic. I did play Bioshock. I know how that story ends. I have seen company towns and at least with a company town you CAN drive to the net city or three over. If your family get stuck in Bezoville, Muskdown or New Zuck City the guy who writes your checks likely owns the supermarket you're going to shop at, the loan on your house or the apartment you live in. Its fuedalism with extra steps. I know things aren't great now but seriously.






https://www.beaconjournal.com/gcdn/presto/2022/03/28/NABJ/3d2a7a38-1b1a-4749-8f86-944c74b1c89c-bat_boy_chase.jpg?crop=599,337,x0,y0&width=599&height=337&format=pjpg&auto=webp

As very northern ice declines the methane enshrouded in Siberia will begin to be released. Leading to more heating and more ice loss. It’s the tipping points we need to be concerned about, there hasn’t been one yet
but we’ve been warned.