Two! Four! Six! Eight! JaySecrets Prevaricates!

[JaySecrets]

Aren't we a little old for "I know you are but what am I"?
More to the point, from the very first time you ever posted here, you have always been prone to posting poorly sourced, easily debunked propaganda - which you invariably insist is the work of "experts". That ain't the way it works.

I have quoted proven truth tellers. You still believe MSNBC is populated by people who are not liars.

First of all, I speak only for myself. It IS true that other progressives will also respond to your bullshit in similar ways - it's just so easy to do! - but we don't coordinate it. Besides, I have a job too. I just consider this my breaktime stuff. It's fun to knock down your straw men!
And if I "didn't want opposing views heard", I wouldn't come to this forum in the first place!

Progressivism is another mask for Communist Marxism. Always has been. It's actually part of its history. And you only wear masks when you have something to hide... When you live on lies.

No, it is not a baby. It's a clump of tissue. It has the potential to become a baby, but it is not a baby. Now, if I can recognize that you believe it's a baby from the point of conception, you can recognize that we do not. If you refuse to do that and you call us murderers, that amounts to hurling insults. Your own beliefs don't change that.

That you can even say that is an insult to humanity itself. Every life, including the baby in the womb, is sacred. Funny thing, you consider life disposable, yet call me hateful... when you support the ultimate act of hate: murdering babies.

No, they don't. More to the point, you've never even tried to prove they do. You just say that over and over again.

Read what Marx says about how to cause unrest and what to do next and what to destabilize. Your playbook is straight outta Marx.

Actually, most of them were Deists.

False. Some were Deists. Most were devout Christians and very open about it.

A true Christian worldview is anything but toxic. The problem is, what you think is a Christian worldview is actually something very, very different.

A Christian worldview lines up with the Bible. What you think is a Christian worldview is nothing more than, "Be nice to everyone. Rainbows and sunshine. Never judge... unless pop culture seems a person contemptable. And make government pay for everything." That's not Christian. That's pop "wokism" mixed with outright socialism.

 

[JaySecrets]

Murderer!!!! You support Christianity, it doen't matter what branch....it's all the same and you're a fucking murderer...

Catholicism isn't a branch of Christianity. It is paganism with Christian words attached. Always has been. A true Christian says, "Love your enemies. Bless them that curse you. Do good to them who spitefully use you."

Yah Muslim's are murders too.....Muslim's just a branch of Christianity, don't think your whatboutism works here murderer. Child killer, rape supporter. .

Muslims aren't even close to a branch of Christianity. That's just ignorant. And it is your side that supports the killing of babies in wombs. And you have Biden and Clinton as examples of how to rape and get by with it. We aren't even talking about the Kennedy clan. There is nothing I have ever said that can be construed to back your claims about me.

 

[JaySecrets]

Bullshit, murderer, you just want to control women. If they make a choice, that's for them to face if there is a God..not fucking yours you child killer.

Again, the loudest voices against abortion are women, not men who want to control women. Many of these women were abortion doctors or involved in abortions through places like Planned Parenthood. They have observed the horror of abortion. They know it's not just a clump of tissue, that it is murder.

 

[YDB95]

I have quoted proven truth tellers.

Proven by whom? Newsmax?

You still believe MSNBC is populated by people who are not liars.

You can disagree with their politics all you want, but MSNBC has an excellent track record for factual accuracy.

Progressivism is another mask for Communist Marxism. Always has been. It's actually part of its history. And you only wear masks when you have something to hide... When you live on lies.

First of all, "communist Marxism" is redundant. Secondly, no, it hasn't. Words have meanings. I don't know of any self-described progressive today who is calling for government seizing the means of production.

That you can even say that is an insult to humanity itself. Every life, including the baby in the womb, is sacred. Funny thing, you consider life disposable, yet call me hateful... when you support the ultimate act of hate: murdering babies.

See, this is just my point. Although I strongly disagree with your beliefs about abortion (and, frankly, science is on my side), I can see where you're coming from. You can't even begin to consider our side, and you turn straight to vilifying us. You should think about that. We all know you won't, but you should.

Read what Marx says about how to cause unrest and what to do next and what to destabilize. Your playbook is straight outta Marx.

That's what your side says about anyone who dares even acknowledge that class- and race-based injustices (gender-based ones too) still exist. It's not fostering divisiveness if the division was already very much there. And I could say the exact same thing about the wedge-issues your side has been running on since 1968.

False. Some were Deists. Most were devout Christians and very open about it.

I'd put it the other way around, actually. Besides, many of them were slave-owners and surely even you would agree that ain't Christian.

A Christian worldview lines up with the Bible.

Indeed.

What you think is a Christian worldview is nothing more than, "Be nice to everyone. Rainbows and sunshine. Never judge... unless pop culture seems a person contemptable. And make government pay for everything." That's not Christian. That's pop "wokism" mixed with outright socialism.

It's also not "what I think is a Christian worldview", it's what you think I believe, because you can't even be bothered to consider another's true perspective.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Actually, it was Christianity and Bible teachings that drove the abolitionists. In fact it was that all men are made in God's image that was the foundational argument. Evolution, on the other hand has been at the root of slavery in the West, the treatment of Jews in Germany, the slaughter of Native Americans, and the treatment of the American POWs in the Japanese war camps; in every case one of the justifications was that the target was lesser evolved.

So it was Christianity that put them into slavery and got them out. It was also God that caused the Holocaust and the mistreatment of women.

 

[YDB95]

Slavery and the slaughter of the Native Americans both pre-date Darwin by centuries.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Catholicism isn't a branch of Christianity. It is paganism with Christian words attached. Always has been. A true Christian says, "Love your enemies. Bless them that curse you. Do good to them who spitefully use you."

Sure murderer sure it isn't......nice try. (lol Catholics are pretenders.......TFF)

Muslims aren't even close to a branch of Christianity. That's just ignorant. And it is your side that supports the killing of babies in wombs. And you have Biden and Clinton as examples of how to rape and get by with it. We aren't even talking about the Kennedy clan. There is nothing I have ever said that can be construed to back your claims about me.

Sure murderer,sure it isn't. Ever read the Quran...you're just trying to duck out on your complicity to supporting thousands of years of murders...

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Again, the loudest voices against abortion are women, not men who want to control women. Many of these women were abortion doctors or involved in abortions through places like Planned Parenthood. They have observed the horror of abortion. They know it's not just a clump of tissue, that it is murder.

The above doesn't make you any less of a murderer.

 

[ll74]

Again, the loudest voices against abortion are women, not men who want to control women.

What specific metric have you used here to confirm the assertion that "the loudest voices against abortion are women"? You've said this multiple times and it still makes no sense. Do they speak louder when discussing abortion? If so, how is that measured? Or is your assertion that more women than men object to abortion? If so, based on what polls?

 

[adrina]

What specific metric have you used here to confirm the assertion that "the loudest voices against abortion are women"? You've said this multiple times and it still makes no sense. Do they speak louder when discussing abortion? If so, how is that measured? Or is your assertion that more women than men object to abortion? If so, based on what polls?

Nah it's him hiding his misogynist bullshit behind women who were spoonfed the misogynistic bullshit.

 

[JaySecrets]

The above doesn't make you any less of a murderer.

Who have I murdered or expressed my support of the murder of again? A quote please.

 

[JaySecrets]

What specific metric have you used here to confirm the assertion that "the loudest voices against abortion are women"? You've said this multiple times and it still makes no sense. Do they speak louder when discussing abortion? If so, how is that measured? Or is your assertion that more women than men object to abortion? If so, based on what polls?

I have posted video after video of WOMEN and FORMER ABORTIONISTS speaking out. I follow the conferences and who is being cited. It's not misogynistic men, it's women and doctors who have been guilty of the abortions. Are you telling me you know more than doctors who were actually doing abortions? Wow. You must have some degree in medicine! What is that degree again?

 

[ll74]

I have posted video after video of WOMEN and FORMER ABORTIONISTS speaking out.

You aren't asserting that they are speaking out. If that was what you asserted, then certainly having examples of women objecting to abortion would back up the claim, but it's not what you're saying.

You are asserting that women are the "loudest voices against abortion". How do you measure that? What other voices are there and what makes them not as loud?

I follow the conferences and who is being cited. It's not misogynistic men, it's women and doctors who have been guilty of the abortions. Are you telling me you know more than doctors who were actually doing abortions? Wow. You must have some degree in medicine! What is that degree again?

This makes no sense and certainly doesn't answer my questions.

 

[ll74]

Probably the most succinct response I have to Jay - my civil liberties trump your religious dogma

 

[JaySecrets]

Proven by whom? Newsmax?

By non-biased sources that don't profit off propaganda.

You can disagree with their politics all you want, but MSNBC has an excellent track record for factual accuracy.

I was so hoping you would go there. Here's your mainstream media track record for truth telling...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2021/06/12/my-top-10-media-lies-goodwin/amp/

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?category=&ruling=false&speaker=rachel-maddow
(love this one because it's your own lefty Politifact calling MSNBC liars)

https://jacobin.com/2021/11/brian-williams-cnn-msnbc-journalism-media-lies-bias

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...-smollett-collusion-covington-rogan-media.amp.
(MSNBC pushed most of these same lies)

I'm just scratching surfaces. The mainstream media is a cesspool of corruption, propaganda, and lies.

First of all, "communist Marxism" is redundant. Secondly, no, it hasn't. Words have meanings. I don't know of any self-described progressive today who is calling for government seizing the means of production.

That's exactly what happens when the government increases its control over private industry, and that is trademark progressive policy.

Also, that isn't the only aspect of what Marx laid out. He called for the destabilizing of the traditional family, the erasing of sexual moral standards, the removal of Christian values, and the replacement of private property with wealth redistribution. All these are progressive stated goals. You are a Marxist.

See, this is just my point. Although I strongly disagree with your beliefs about abortion (and, frankly, science is on my side), I can see where you're coming from. You can't even begin to consider our side, and you turn straight to vilifying us. You should think about that. We all know you won't, but you should.

Yeah. It's perfectly normal to see the sanity in murdering babies in their most vulnerable state because they are an inconvenience, because of something their father did, or because they might turn out handicapped. There is no decent person who would ever begin to consider that, only a warped, sick minded one.

That's what your side says about anyone who dares even acknowledge that class- and race-based injustices (gender-based ones too) still exist. It's not fostering divisiveness if the division was already very much there. And I could say the exact same thing about the wedge-issues your side has been running on since 1968.

Yet there are men and women of all colors and creeds who are openly calling you liars on that one. Over and over I have posted the video of minorities telling you that you are wrong and to leave them alone. You just call them sellouts and Uncle Toms and keep going. It's your side that creates victim classes. Conservatives promote liberty for all because we believe ALL are created in God's image, specially designed by Him.

I'd put it the other way around, actually. Besides, many of them were slave-owners and surely even you would agree that ain't Christian.

Read the history of the Abolitionist movement. Like it or not, it was distinctly Christian.

And only a small handful were slave holders. Of those, most inherited the slaves from generations before them, and were actively seeking ways to end slavery and free the slaves without creating chaos in a very young, fragile nation. The banned the importing of new slaves, would take slaves with them into the North and leave them to live free, and on and on. I'd suggest a reading of Thomas Sowell on this subject. He lays it out well.

Indeed.

It's also not "what I think is a Christian worldview", it's what you think I believe, because you can't even be bothered to consider another's true perspective.

Jesus said unto them, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by Me." Paul wrote, "If any come to you preaching a gospel we have not preached or a Jesus we have not preached, let him be damned." Roman 1-3 is pretty narrow in its understanding. As is the rest of Scripture. It's an exclusive message. God does not come and die for man if there are already other ways. A Christian worldview is, by Biblical definition, narrow and exclusive. All else may pretend Christianity, but it isn't.

 

[JaySecrets]

Probably the most succinct response I have to Jay - my civil liberties trump your religious dogma

That right to abortion was determined by a panel of majority liberal Justices, in a case that took an amendment expressedly about the forced quartering of soldiers in civilian homes and gave it an unprecedented, novel reading, without one medical witness to be seen. It is, on a legal standpoint alone, one of the most troubling and problematic rulings in the Supreme Court history. This has actually been pointed out by liberal and conservative legal experts alike. It wasn't til AFTER the ruling that the political medical organizations started to toe the line. Don't conflate a bad court ruling based on social agendas with civil liberty rightly defined.

 

[schism666]

jay went to the vetteman school of masochism and dumbfuckery.

 

[JaySecrets]

Slavery and the slaughter of the Native Americans both pre-date Darwin by centuries.

I said WESTERN slavery... And the slaughter of Native Americans (under Democrat leadership by the way) was openly justified by Darwinism.

 

[JaySecrets]

jay went to the vetteman school of masochism and dumbfuckery.

Nope, I just don't take my cues or information from liars who have no problem with murdering babies.

 

[ll74]

That right to abortion was determined by a panel of majority liberal Justices, in a case that took an amendment expressedly about the forced quartering of soldiers in civilian homes and gave it an unprecedented, novel reading, without one medical witness to be seen. It is, on a legal standpoint alone, one of the most troubling and problematic rulings in the Supreme Court history. This has actually been pointed out by liberal and conservative legal experts alike. It wasn't til AFTER the ruling that the political medical organizations started to toe the line. Don't conflate a bad court ruling based on social agendas with civil liberty rightly defined.

I said exactly what I meant. The court rulings don't change that.

 

[schism666]

Nope, I just don't take my cues or information from liars who have no problem with murdering babies.

nope. you're a masochist who is ignorant as fuck.

 

[YDB95]

By non-biased sources that don't profit off propaganda.

No such thing, and the people who tell you they are unbiased are usually the most biased of all. (Remember which news network's slogan was "fair and balanced," after all.)

I was so hoping you would go there. Here's your mainstream media track record for truth telling...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2021/06/12/my-top-10-media-lies-goodwin/amp/

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?category=&ruling=false&speaker=rachel-maddow
(love this one because it's your own lefty Politifact calling MSNBC liars)

https://jacobin.com/2021/11/brian-williams-cnn-msnbc-journalism-media-lies-bias

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...-smollett-collusion-covington-rogan-media.amp.
(MSNBC pushed most of these same lies)

I'm just scratching surfaces. The mainstream media is a cesspool of corruption, propaganda, and lies.

Four times they got something wrong? With your sources that happens every few minutes!

That's exactly what happens when the government increases its control over private industry, and that is trademark progressive policy.

No. Sensible regulations are not seizing the means of production.

Also, that isn't the only aspect of what Marx laid out. He called for the destabilizing of the traditional family, the erasing of sexual moral standards, the removal of Christian values, and the replacement of private property with wealth redistribution. All these are progressive stated goals. You are a Marxist.

No, they are not progressive stated goals. They're your extremely distorted interpretation thereof, nothing more.

Yeah. It's perfectly normal to see the sanity in murdering babies in their most vulnerable state because they are an inconvenience, because of something their father did, or because they might turn out handicapped. There is no decent person who would ever begin to consider that, only a warped, sick minded one.

It is very, very easy to say that when you're not the one who are faced with that decision (and never will be in this life). But that's beside the point. The point is, I can understand where you're coming from even if I severely disagree. You clearly cannot say the same. Thank you for proving my point.

Yet there are men and women of all colors and creeds who are openly calling you liars on that one. Over and over I have posted the video of minorities telling you that you are wrong and to leave them alone.

Believe me, I am more than happy to leave the likes of Thomas Sowell alone, thank you very much!

You just call them sellouts and Uncle Toms and keep going.

Please show me where I have ever called anyone either of those things. Not some other progressive you heard elsewhere, not someone else on Lit, but me. Where did I ever use either of those terms?

It's your side that creates victim classes.

Acknowledging them is not creating them.

Conservatives promote liberty for all because we believe ALL are created in God's image, specially designed by Him.

Nice idea on paper, but if you pretend bigotry and the effects of past oppression don't exist, they will only get worse.

Read the history of the Abolitionist movement. Like it or not, it was distinctly Christian.

I have read plenty about it. Yes, it was Christian, but so was the basis for support of slavery (i.e. "They had slaves in the Bible!")

And only a small handful were slave holders. Of those, most inherited the slaves from generations before them, and were actively seeking ways to end slavery and free the slaves without creating chaos in a very young, fragile nation.

No, they were not. That is just a comforting lie someone on your side cooked up. Not to mention after the war, they were the ones who caused the chaos that ensued.

The banned the importing of new slaves, would take slaves with them into the North and leave them to live free, and on and on.

Ever hear of the Dred Scott decision? Of course you haven't. Study up. Also, while importation of slaves was banned in 1807, it did not actually stop.

I'd suggest a reading of Thomas Sowell on this subject. He lays it out well.

More like he tells you what you want to hear. If there's one fatal flaw in your whole approach to, well, anything, JaySecrets, it is your absolute inability (or at least unwillingness) to think critically. Just because a published author makes an argument you like does not mean s/he is correct.

Jesus said unto them, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by Me." Paul wrote, "If any come to you preaching a gospel we have not preached or a Jesus we have not preached, let him be damned." Roman 1-3 is pretty narrow in its understanding. As is the rest of Scripture. It's an exclusive message. God does not come and die for man if there are already other ways. A Christian worldview is, by Biblical definition, narrow and exclusive. All else may pretend Christianity, but it isn't.

Again, that is your interpretation of Scripture, nothing less but also nothing more.

I said WESTERN slavery...

Which started in the 16th century - over 200 years before Darwin was born - in Latin America.

And the slaughter of Native Americans (under Democrat leadership by the way)

That's Democratic, and it wasn't only under Democratic presidents.

was openly justified by Darwinism.

No, it was openly justified by a misinterpretation of Darwinism. Darwin himself was disgusted with the way his theories were appropriated.

 

[JaySecrets]

No, it was openly justified by a misinterpretation of Darwinism. Darwin himself was disgusted with the way his theories were appropriated.

Yeah, the Nazis and the Communists called them sensible regulations at first too. Kinda how you get people to accept Socialist Marxism- one piece at a time.
Your response to Sowell proves your racism. But then again, Darwin would, in fact approve. His full title? On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life.

 

[Lazaran]

Yeah, the Nazis and the Communists <snip>

More deflection and distraction from JaySecretions.



Bottomline: The scientific method and the results it yields are the gold standard for what is truth and fact.

FULL STOP.



JaySecretions

 

[JaySecrets]

Bottomline: The scientific method and the results it yields are the gold standard for what is truth and fact.

FULL STOP.

I agree. That's why evolution is pure bs