US healthcare ranks last

[YDB95]

99% not wanting to think I don't mean that doesn't make it so. I meant exactly what I said there.

If you say so. But in case you're still missing it, here's what you said:

I fully support having law enforcement, courts, military, national parks. Almost everything else should be state run.

My guess is you meant to include a "not" in that second sentence. Otherwise what you said here is actually far closer to supporting communism than anything I or any other progressive in this room have ever said!

 

[Chadrone]

That is not what I said. What I have demonstrated is that most Americans want higher taxes for the rich and oppose cuts in domestic spending.

So...communism.

 

[Chadrone]

If you say so. But in case you're still missing it, here's what you said:


My guess is you meant to include a "not" in that second sentence. Otherwise what you said here is actually far closer to supporting communism than anything I or any other progressive in this room have ever said!

Nope.

If blue states want to commie themselves out they should be allowed to. Or not, it should be up to that state how the state is run.

 

[JohnEngelman]

So...communism.

Calling a Democrat a communist is like calling a Republican a racist. It is name calling. Name calling is the lowest form of discourse.

 

[Chadrone]

Calling a Democrat a communist is like calling a Republican a racist. It is name calling. Name calling is the lowest form of discourse.

Nope and it's far more accurate than the projection you pumped out about republicans. The forum is a prime example, the only people who've ever called me racial slurs on here? All "progeressive" democrats....they literally can't stop being racist towards me. Same in real life. Every white person who ever used a slur against me has been a progressive who found out I DARED to not vote (D) and they took it personal.

If they don't want to be called commies maybe they should real some of the commie rhetoric and behavior back.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Nope and it's far more accurate than the projection you pumped out about republicans. The forum is a prime example, the only people who've ever called me racial slurs on here? All "progeressive" democrats....they literally can't stop being racist towards me. Same in real life. Every white person who ever used a slur against me has been a progressive who found out I DARED to not vote (D) and they took it personal.

If they don't want to be called commies maybe they should real some of the commie rhetoric and behavior back.

After I graduated from college I took a fascinating seminar on Das Kapital given by a brilliant member of the American Communist Party. On the basis of that and other studies of the writing of Karl Marx I think Marx had two valid insights and that he was mistaken about everything else.

 

[Bray123]

Wanting rich people to contribute to roads, military, welfare = 'Communism'.
Wanting poor people to contribute to vanity space flights for rich people = 'The American Dream'.

 

[Chadrone]

After I graduated from college I took a fascinating seminar on Das Kapital given by a brilliant member of the American Communist Party. On the basis of that and other studies of the writing of Karl Marx I think Marx had two valid insights and that he was mistaken about everything else.

Marx was a swindler and con artist who was mistaken about everything. It was never about class or anything other than him getting free shit......just like the losers who follow him today.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Marx was a swindler and con artist who was mistaken about everything. It was never about class or anything other than him getting free shit......just like the losers who follow him today.

The physicist who taught me about Das Kapital was not a loser. He made an excellent income.

Karl Marx's first insight was that the natural tendency of capitalism is to accumulate wealth and income at the top. His second insight is that partly as a result of this, capitalism experiences increasingly destructive economic downturns.

That is what did happen until President Franklin Roosevelt countered these tendencies with steeply progressive taxation, minimum wage laws, and laws to protect labor unions.

These reforms ended the Great Depression and enabled Roosevelt to be reelected three times.

Beginning with the Reagan administration Republican politicians have reversed these reforms. Wealth and income again accumulate at the top. Recessions are longer and deeper.

Marx's greatest error was to assume that for working class people class consciousness is stronger than racial, ethnic, and national loyalties. The opposite is more usually the case.

Marx explained the Great Depression. He did not predict the First World War, the rise of Italian Fascism and German Nazism, and the fact that today in the United States the white working class is a Republican constituency.

 

[Chadrone]

Karl Marx's first insight was that the natural tendency of capitalism is to accumulate wealth and income at the top.

Yet in the real world it's socialism where the worst of that happens.

Capitalism shows the opposite results.

His second insight is that partly as a result of this, capitalism experiences increasingly destructive economic downturns.

Again, that's projection of the socialist.....

That is what did happen until President Franklin Roosevelt countered these tendencies with steeply progressive taxation, minimum wage laws, and laws to protect labor unions.

No, FDR tried to correct government fuckery with more government fuckery and it's led us to ruin.

These reforms ended the Great Depression and enabled Roosevelt to be reelected three times.

No, WW2 did that.

Marx's greatest error was to assume that for working class people class consciousness is stronger than racial, ethnic, and national loyalties. The opposite is more usually the case.

I mean he was 100% backwards and wrong as fuck about everything else.

Marx explained the Great Depression. He did not predict the First World War, the rise of Italian Fascism and German Nazism, and the fact that today in the United States the white working class is a Republican constituency.

No, Marx was a spoiled brat trying to grab money/power. That's it.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Yet in the real world it's socialism where the worst of that happens.

Capitalism shows the opposite results.



Again, that's projection of the socialist.....


No, FDR tried to correct government fuckery with more government fuckery and it's led us to ruin.



No, WW2 did that.



I mean he was 100% backwards and wrong as fuck about everything else.



No, Marx was a spoiled brat trying to grab money/power. That's it.

The closest approximation to democratic socialism is Scandinavian Social Democracy. In Scandinavia there is much less economic inequality than in the United States.

Military spending and employment is government spending and employment. I am glad that the United States entered World War II. Nevertheless, if the money spent winning that war had been spent on the public sector of the economy instead, the Great Depression would have ended sooner.

Karl Marx lived and died in poverty. With his brilliance and his knowledge of business he could have become rich.

 

[Chadrone]

The closest approximation to democratic socialism is Scandinavian Social Democracy. In Scandinavia there is much less economic inequality than in the United States.

They are also much more capitalistic.

Military spending and employment is government spending and employment. I am glad that the United States entered World War II. Nevertheless, if the money spent winning that war had been spent on the public sector of the economy instead, the Great Depression would have ended sooner.

Not any sooner than "build back better" stopped the house of cards from falling in......

You can't prevent or stop depressions, they are a natural part of a healthy economy.

Karl Marx lived and died in poverty.

And lefties take finacial/economic advice from him

With his brilliance and his knowledge of business he could have become rich.

Then why didn't he???

That's like saying someone who was morbidly obese their entire life could have been gold medal olympians.......maybe?? But the reality is they never did and never were.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Burnout for primary care physicians is a big problem with serious consequences for healthcare.

The Causes and Impacts of Burnout Among Primary Care Physicians in 10 Countries

Negative impacts of burnout:

In the United States, PCP burnout contributes to $260 million in excess health spending every year, largely from high turnover forcing practices to replace clinicians who have left.3 Burnout has also been shown to reduce clinicians’ productivity, increase the incidence of medical errors, and erode the physician–patient relationship.4 Beyond the harm to patients and the health system, burnout takes a physical toll on clinicians, worsening their health and contributing to depression and stress.5

More US physicians are burned out:

More than two of five primary care physicians in the U.S. feel burned out — more so than in nearly any other country.

Administrative headaches (paperwork, dealing with insurance companies) cause burnout:

For more than two of five burned out primary care physicians in the U.S., Canada, Germany, and Switzerland, burnout is primarily because of administrative burden.

 

[Chadrone]

Burnout for primary care physicians is a big problem with serious consequences for healthcare.

The Causes and Impacts of Burnout Among Primary Care Physicians in 10 Countries

Negative impacts of burnout:



More US physicians are burned out:



Administrative headaches (paperwork, dealing with insurance companies) cause burnout:

Obamacare doing great wonders!!! Love that democrat healthcare!! So much of a success I can't believe it's not more popular.....

 

[JohnEngelman]

They are also much more capitalistic.

By what criteria? They have socialized medicine and government subsidized college paid for by steeply progressive taxation.

 

[JohnEngelman]

You can't prevent or stop depressions, they are a natural part of a healthy economy.

Recessions became milder after the Roosevelt administration. Now they are becoming deeper and longer.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Then why didn't he???

That's like saying someone who was morbidly obese their entire life could have been gold medal olympians.......maybe?? But the reality is they never did and never were.

Karl Marx had his reasons. I think he felt he had an obligation to explain to factory workers why they were so poor when their employers were so rich.

 

[Rightguide]

US health system ranks last compared with peer nations, report finds

Most expensive, worst outcomes!





My “concept of a plan”: copy the healthcare system of any other developed nation; they’re all less expensive and more effective than ours.

Obama wrecked the American healthcare system.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Obamacare doing great wonders!!! Love that democrat healthcare!! So much of a success I can't believe it's not more popular.....

Socialized medicine gets better results for less money.

 

[LoneMilf]

Recessions became milder after the Roosevelt administration. Now they are becoming deeper and longer.

That doesn't seem to be true. Recessions have been getting shorter and less severe since WW2.
See section 3 in this for details:
https://www.kiplinger.com/slideshow...cessions,best solution for everyone concerned.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Obama wrecked the American healthcare system.

That’s what Republicans say, but after all these years they still have no plan of their own to improve anything. They don’t even have the guts to repeal Obamacare, because it is popular.

cOncePts oF a PLaN

 

[Chadrone]

By what criteria?

By the criteria of the definition of capitalism, economic freedom.

They have socialized medicine and government subsidized college paid for by steeply progressive taxation.

They also don't SWAT team 7 year olds for mowing a lawns to earn a few bucks or farmers for feeding homeless folks without 10 million dollars in legal fees, permits, licencing and approval from 42 alphabet agencies across local, state and federal juris-my-dick shuns.

In Democrat run USA, they do.

Recessions became milder after the Roosevelt administration.

And it's nearly bankrupted the nation.....if not critically broken it into total crash.

Now they are becoming deeper and longer.

You have to have the corrections.....you have to let the losers fail and dying markets die. That's a healthy process FDR and the progressive left have been trying to stop for decades and it's made the system all backed up and full of SHIT.

Proping up "too big to fail" and pumping the grandkids life earnings into the economy to put those nessecary corrections off for another 10-20 years and keep the good times rolling??

That's going to have a long term cost that is comming due very soon.

Hope you didn't buy a house in the last several years, everyone who did is about to take a bath. The more over inflated areas are already taking a shit.

 

[Rightguide]

That’s what Republicans say, but after all these years they still have no plan of their own to improve anything. They don’t even have the guts to repeal Obamacare, because it is popular.

cOncePts oF a PLaN

That's what everyone with a brain has said.

 

[MajorRewrite]

That's what everyone with a brain has said.

… but after all these years they still have no plan of their own to improve anything. They don’t even have the guts to repeal Obamacare, because it is popular.

cOncePts oF a PLaN

 

[Chadrone]

Karl Marx had his reasons.

Bullshit.....he was full of bullshit.

I think he felt he had an obligation to explain to factory workers why they were so poor when their employers were so rich.

No, he lied to them to try and grab power/wealth.