Using basic terms incorrectly...

[water505]

Here's the key part of your quote, that you failed to grasp:



That IS the way to prevent income disparity. When the "rungs" are further apart, social mobility is more difficult.

Every time I hear an idiot bitch about income disparity it's always from someone who's never accomplished a damn thing in their lives. They're wired for failure and lack the emotional intelligence and intellectual honestly to take a hard look at themselves in the mirror and admit they're responsible for their own actions and the choices they've made.

They're cowards.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Every time I hear an idiot bitch about income disparity it's always from someone who's never accomplished a damn thing in their lives. They're wired for failure and lack the emotional intelligence and intellectual honestly to take a hard look at themselves in the mirror and admit they're responsible for their own actions and the choices they've made.

They're cowards.

Well if they can't get their hustle up it's clearly because white males are oppressing them.

DUHHHH!!!

So we need social justice and socialism to take white boys down a notch and ensure a more equitable society.

 

[richard_daily]

Well if they can't get their hustle up it's clearly because white males are oppressing them.

DUHHHH!!!

So we need social justice and socialism to take white boys down a notch and ensure a more equitable society.

Why are you so obsessed with white boys? Got a crush?

 

[richard_daily]

Yes I have and I discredited it as being anarchistic.

Here is why.

Because all, EVERY brand of socialism wants to replace the government with their own preferred government, allegedly to ensure the "equitable" or "fair" distribution of goods and services.

They don't want to get rid of all government.

Which puts them at direct odds with the definition of anarchism.

So basically, your personal definition trumps everyone elses, the dictionary, history, and 150 years of labor history.

You must think VERY highly of yourself.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Why are you so obsessed with white boys? Got a crush?

Because they are evil oppressors!!

Crush...LOL being gay would be easier in a lot of ways wouldn't it?

Nah, I don't crush on anything. Thank god, if I did I'd probably have 5 kids and live in a fuckin' Kentucky trailer park outside Ft. Campbell like everyone else I grew up with.

So basically, your personal definition trumps everyone elses, the dictionary, history, and 150 years of labor history.

You must think VERY highly of yourself.

No. Your citing the fact that there are well documented arguments and theories about anarchism being left wing isn't a counter argument to my assertion that they are all full of shit, because the definition of anarchism is directly contradicting to leftism, especially leftism that actually exists.


And the dictionary doesn't say anarchism is left wing.

Definition of anarchism

1 :a political theory holding all forms of governmental authority to be unnecessary and undesirable and advocating a society based on voluntary cooperation and free association of individuals and groups

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anarchism

Notice again, there is no "Except for totally awesome socialism and left wing government!!" qualifiers anywhere in the actual definition of anarchism.

 

[richard_daily]

Because they are evil oppressors!!

Crush...LOL being gay would be easier in a lot of ways wouldn't it?

Nah, I don't crush on anything. Thank god, if I did I'd probably have 5 kids and live in a fuckin' Kentucky trailer park outside Ft. Campbell like everyone else I grew up with.

Glad you got out, but it sounds like you still took the trailer park with you...

I get it.

No. Your citing the fact that there are well documented arguments and theories about anarchism being left wing isn't a counter argument to my assertion that they are all full of shit, because the definition of anarchism is directly contradicting to leftism, especially leftism that actually exists.

So well documented, well researched and historically accurate accounts don't matter. Your opinion is what counts.

That's where you and me differ. I base my opinion on the facts on the ground. You form the facts around your opinion.

And the dictionary doesn't say anarchism is left wing.

Definition of anarchism

1 :a political theory holding all forms of governmental authority to be unnecessary and undesirable and advocating a society based on voluntary cooperation and free association of individuals and groups

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anarchism

Notice again, there is no "Except for totally awesome socialism and left wing government!!" qualifiers anywhere in the actual definition of anarchism.

"voluntary cooperation and free association of individuals and groups" sounds like right wing values to you?

Uhhh, ok.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Glad you got out, but it sounds like you still took the trailer park with you...

I get it.

We can't all be uppity leftist looking down our nose at the working class.

So well documented, well researched and historically accurate accounts don't matter. Your opinion is what counts.

That's where you and me differ. I base my opinion on the facts on the ground. You form the facts around your opinion.

No, I just told you that's not the case and you just keep on with your ascription.

Stop the ascription bit for two seconds and read what you quoted me saying.

You don't have an opinion, you just post links to other peoples opinions that you consider to be fact, dream up all sorts of ascription material and talk shit. You have formulated no actual thoughts of you own or made any arguments as to how leftism and anarchism CAN exist at the same political space. The best you can do is post links to other peoples arguments, who I already disagree with, and shit talk.

It's like your barely even in the conversation at all.

"voluntary cooperation and free association of individuals and groups" sounds like right wing values to you?

Uhhh, ok.

It is a core principal of liberalism (classic just left of libertarian type, not the modern socialist/social justice poser brand) and capitalism.

Definition of liberalism

1 :the quality or state of being liberal
2 a often capitalized :a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity
b :a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard (see gold standard 1)
c :a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy (see autonomy 2) of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties; specifically :such a philosophy that considers government as a crucial instrument for amelioration of social inequities (such as those involving race, gender, or class)


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberalism


Definition of capitalism

:an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market

It's also entirely antithetical to leftism which abhors freedom of association in favor of social justice. Lefties at the moment really fucking hate it when a bunch of white guys get together and make a bunch of money, they want that shit banned so bad they can't see straight.

 

[Bad_Doggie]

Because what I'm saying is that anarchist do not want government, you and Daily keep saying they want left wing government, socialism, communism.

We do?

We keep saying?

Ya know it’s mighty odd because I have no recollection of ever thinking such a thing, let alone writing it; I don’t remember reading Daily post anything like that either.

Would you kindly quote where we’ve been saying that anarchists want left wing government, socialism, and communism? And seeing as we’ve kept saying it, it should be easy to find.

Quote us now……none of your bullshit, no misdirection, no distraction….post it.

Failure to do so will appear to the casual read that it’s either:
1/ A pure bald, barefaced lie, made for wanton personal gain without any vestige of honesty or personal integrity, to keep your beliefs intact.
2/ You’re delusional and unable to critically evaluate this topic in anyway, detached from what is tantamount to a religious belief.

Woof!

 

[BotanyBoy]

We do?

We keep saying?

Ya know it’s mighty odd because I have no recollection of ever thinking such a thing, let alone writing it; I don’t remember reading Daily post anything like that either.

You guys haven't?

So you agree with me that anarchism isn't left wing!

Good, I'm glad we're on the same page.

 

[Bad_Doggie]

You guys haven't?

So you agree with me that anarchism isn't left wing!

Good, I'm glad we're on the same page.

No we don’t.

Where have we said….”you and Daily keep saying they want left wing government, socialism, communism.”

Where's the quote?

Woof!

 

[richard_daily]

No we don’t.

Where have we said….”you and Daily keep saying they want left wing government, socialism, communism.”

Where's the quote?

Woof!

He makes leaps of logic so grand that they would make evel knievel proud.

 

[BotanyBoy]

No we don’t.

So then you do think anarchist want left wing government, socialism, communism, social justice, social and economic equity?

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need???

All that wonderful, altruistic, fluffah left wing goodness right?

 

[richard_daily]

So then you do think anarchist want left wing government, socialism, communism, social justice, social and economic equity?

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need???

All that wonderful, altruistic, fluffah left wing goodness right?

you're misusing "left wing" in this post.

I don't expect you to correct yourself, or understand.

 

[Bad_Doggie]

So then you do think anarchist want left wing government, socialism, communism, social justice, social and economic equity?

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need???

All that wonderful, altruistic, fluffah left wing goodness right?

Stop the bullshitting and further attempted distractions, where's the quote?

Woof!

 

[BotanyBoy]

you're misusing "left wing" in this post.

I don't expect you to correct yourself, or understand.

Why don't you try and explain it then instead of just talking shit and saying "nuh uhhh!!".

It's ok, I don't expect you to formulate a thought or argument on your own.

Just sit there and talk shit like usual, claiming nothing is left wing except fluffy goodness that Daily approves of.

LOL

Stop the bullshitting and further attempted distractions, where's the quote?

Woof!

Go read buddy.

Every time you and Daily claimed anarchism was left wing that is what you're saying.

Now....are you going to back that claim up and argue that point or what?

Do you think anarchism is left wing or not?

 

[Bad_Doggie]

Go read buddy.

Every time you and Daily claimed anarchism was left wing that is what you're saying.

Now....are you going to back that claim up and argue that point or what?

Do you think anarchism is left wing or not?

You’ve made this claim.

Because what I'm saying is that anarchist do not want government, you and Daily keep saying they want left wing government, socialism, communism.

It’s a very simple question; I’m asking you to quote where we have said that?

Can you do it or not?

Woof!

 

[BotanyBoy]

You’ve made this claim.

It’s a very simple question; I’m asking you to quote where we have said that?

Can you do it or not?

Woof!

Did you not claim anarchism was left wing?

I'm almost positive that's what we were talking about.

You and Daily say it's left wing, I say it's no wing.

Right?


I don't want to go pages back and quote but I will if you answer that with a no.

 

[Bad_Doggie]

Did you not claim anarchism was left wing?

I'm almost positive that's what we were talking about.

You and Daily say it's left wing, I say it's no wing.

Right?


I don't want to go pages back and quote but I will if you answer that with a no.

I want you to quote where we have said....

they want left wing government, socialism, communism.

I'm saying I have never said such a thing; they want left wing government or Socialism or communism. I want you to establish where I said that.

Woof!

 

[BotanyBoy]

I want you to quote where we have said....

Every time you claim anarchist are left wing.

I'm not going to fetch quotes of something you've been doing for the last several posts.

I'm saying I have never said such a thing; they want left wing government or Socialism or communism. I want you to establish where I said that.

Woof!

Every time you claim anarchism is a left wing.

You've done it numerous times have you not?

Do you think anarchism left wing or not?

 

[Bad_Doggie]

Every time you claim anarchist are left wing.

I'm not going to fetch quotes of something you've been doing for the last several posts.





Every time you claim anarchism is a left wing.

You've done it numerous times have you not?

Do you think anarchism left wing or not?

FFS man, I’m not asking you for your opinion of what I have said I’m asking you…..

(snip), you and Daily keep saying they want left wing government, socialism, communism.

Where have I said “they want left wing government, socialism, communism.”

Because here-in is the issue.

I’m now asking you for the sixth time, can you or can you not?

Woof!

 

[richard_daily]

Why don't you try and explain it then instead of just talking shit and saying "nuh uhhh!!".

It's ok, I don't expect you to formulate a thought or argument on your own.

Just sit there and talk shit like usual, claiming nothing is left wing except fluffy goodness that Daily approves of.

LOL

Here's the 5th or 6th attempt to educate you.

The left is for egalitarianism. The right is for social control. These facts are backed up by definitions, history, and real world examples, none of which you can provide me for your "definitions".

I tried to make it as simple as possible to help you understand.

Do you get it now?

 

[Que]

Here's the 5th or 6th attempt to educate you.

The left is for egalitarianism. The right is for social control. These facts are backed up by definitions, history, and real world examples, none of which you can provide me for your "definitions".

I tried to make it as simple as possible to help you understand.

Do you get it now?

You're such a political illiterate. The right favors social control?

It's like you're still stuck in Reagan's campaign where he took a bunch of Reagan Democrats (you know people on the left) and catered to their needs with a newly minted term which is nonsense called social conservatism.

Democrats have spent an awful lot of time trying to further alienate those voters but those voters are not conservative by any stretch of the imagination they've simply been kicked out of the Democratic party.

other than the absolutely unique exception of gay marriage I can't think of a single aspect of society the Democrats and the left in America do not want to control.

Even on gay marriage they still seek societal control. They want to control who thinks and says and does what about it.

 

[Freudian_Slit]

The political right is not synonymous with classical liberalism, dumbass.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Where have I said “they want left wing government, socialism, communism.”

Woof!

Every time you claimed they were left wing.

Here's the 5th or 6th attempt to educate you.

The left is for egalitarianism.

And how does the left or any other person selling "egalitarianism" seek to achieve it ?

Through economic and social control which can only come from government authority, socialism and social justice.

That's why socialism, social justice and communism are so closely associated with leftism. They are labels describing how the left manifests itself in society.

The political right is not synonymous with classical liberalism, dumbass.

Classical liberalism is a political ideology, a branch of liberalism which advocates civil liberties under the rule of law with an emphasis on economic freedom. It is closely related to libertarianism and to free market capitalism.[1][2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

Love those left wing libertarian capitalist!!

Do you also think the Soviet Union and Red China were right wing capitalist? You and Daily should hang out.

 

[Freudian_Slit]

The political right wing has traditionally been associated with, at the extreme, monarchies, reactionary politics, and fascism. Hardly bastions of liberalism.