Using basic terms incorrectly...

[BotanyBoy]

Sorry, but your own source shows that Anarchism is about egalitarianism.



https://www.britannica.com/topic/anarchism

Well then it's as self contradicting as you because it also says....


"Anarchism, cluster of doctrines and attitudes centred on the belief that government is both harmful and unnecessary."


Which is consistent with the dictionaries definition and shit's all over the equality derp.

No where in there does it espouse the "im gettin mine!" mentality that you try to pretend it is.

Except in the definition.

Here are a couple more... just for you BB



Ruh roh... sounds like they don't like capitalists...

Then they are going to have a mother fucker of a time without government authority there to stop them, take their property away and shit on them.

Does it say anything about anarchism being "i'm getting mine" warlord mentality?

No?

Can't find anything?

Have you given up yet?

Does the dictionary say anarchism is about egalitarianism and equality?

Or does it say anarchism is about being anti-government authority?

The problem, is that you're taking the ONE dictionary definition of "collapse of government" and assigning your own personal narrative to it, to encompass what circle A anarchism is.

I didn't use one definition that said "Collapse of government" I posted and cited numerous FULL definitions that shit on your egalitarian utopian derp unless you're doing some serious socialist mental masturbation.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Then why don’t you understand it?

What? How you guys are reading the definition of anarchism and somehow seeing "Egalitarianism".

I don't know you tell me.

There is no dispute about the definition…

Clearly there is.

I'm reading...

Definition of anarchism

1 :a political theory holding all forms of governmental authority to be unnecessary and undesirable and advocating a society based on voluntary cooperation and free association of individuals and groups
2 :the advocacy or practice of anarchistic principles

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anarchism

And somehow you guys are reading "Egalitarianism" in there and telling me that say "Egalitarianism".

But I'm the one who's fucked up....

…the problems start when you go off on another one of your yeah but, look behind, look over, look under, look around the corner etc etc and manage to ignore everything to come to your “Capitalist Paradise" conclusion!

I didn't do anything but post the definition and it's giving the socialist posers and folks who think there anarchism is about equality, not being anti-government authority, into fits.

And the reason why it is consider such is because all of early anarchist writing and a preponderance of writers of anarchist philosophy are definitely on the left of the political spectrum; being vehemently anti-capitalist and mostly pro-egalitarian.

If they are pro-egalitarian (social justice warriors) and anti-capitalist (socialist) they are not anarchist, they are generic socialist.

Egalitarianism and the abolishment of the free exchange of goods and services between individuals don't even try to happen without some sort of government authority enforcing it, confiscating it and redistributing it.

Never have never will.

They do, but, you have to read what they actually write rather than assume you know what they have written.

Woof!

No they don't, they don't even bring up what I'm talking about because it shit's all over their being anarchist.

They don't explain how anarchy (no government authority ) facilitates their egalitarian utopia instead of the free market capitalism and social darwinism that everyone sees happen in a population when there is no government authority.

 

[richard_daily]

This is some SERIOUS cognitive dissonance.

Anyone who can discount thousands of pages of proof, and still come to their own personal conclusion that's completely contrary to all of the evidence, is in desperate need of some medication and counseling.

 

[FakeNews]

This is some SERIOUS cognitive dissonance.

Anyone who can discount thousands of pages of proof, and still come to their own personal conclusion that's completely contrary to all of the evidence, is in desperate need of some medication and counseling.

Cognitive dissonance: Obama says he stands with America’s immigrants — but his policies say otherwise
https://www.salon.com/2016/06/26/co...as_immigrants_but_his_policies_say_otherwise/

 

[richard_daily]

Cognitive dissonance: Obama says he stands with America’s immigrants — but his policies say otherwise
https://www.salon.com/2016/06/26/co...as_immigrants_but_his_policies_say_otherwise/

Did you just learn what the term means? Or did you have something to contribute to the conversation?

Just a drive by farting?

 

[Rightguide]

Did you just learn what the term means? Or did you have something to contribute to the conversation?

Just a drive by farting?

I thought it was you who brought up "cognitive dissonance?" Ostensively, I believe, most likely in Freudian recognition of your poster boy status of the same.

 

[richard_daily]

I thought it was you who brought up "cognitive dissonance?" Ostensively, I believe, most likely in Freudian recognition of your poster boy status of the same.

I brought it up in specific to a situation. A situation that you've got nothing to say about, because you're a low-information mediocre white dude. I wasn't talking about the term cognitive dissonance in a vacuum.

You really are an idiot, aren't you?

 

[Rightguide]

I brought it up in specific to a situation. A situation that you've got nothing to say about, because you're a low-information mediocre white dude. I wasn't talking about the term cognitive dissonance in a vacuum.

You really are an idiot, aren't you?

With an IQ twice yours.

 

[richard_daily]

With an IQ twice yours.

Right.

What's your IQ vetteman?

 

[BotanyBoy]

This is some SERIOUS cognitive dissonance.

Anyone who can discount thousands of pages of proof, and still come to their own personal conclusion that's completely contrary to all of the evidence, is in desperate need of some medication and counseling.

Not according to the dictionary definition of the word.

The only people being contrary are the ones who think anarchism is about leftism, not anti-government authority. You can't be both.

The only people with cognitive dissonance issues are the leftist who think the communist utopia will happen without any of the tools to do so.

You can't have egalitarianism without government authority.

You can't be a leftist and an anarchist except in the unicorn fart zone.

It's NEVER happened and you don't have a single example of it. Anarchy results in free market capitalism and social darwinism 100% of the time.

 

[richard_daily]

It's not completely contrary to all of the evidence.

It's completely contrary to the textbook definition of the word.

The only people with cognitive dissonance issues are the leftist who think the communist utopia will happen without any of the tools to do so.

You can't have egalitarianism without government authority.

You can't be a leftist and an anarchist except in the unicorn fart zone.

The textbook definition of the word supports my argument, and is backed up by hundreds of links, and dozens of articles. You've provided NOTHING to back up your extremely bent interpretation of the definition.

You CAN have egalitarianism without government authority, and I have shown you that time and time again. You just refuse to read.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The textbook definition of the word supports my argument,

No it doesn't.

It says anarchism is anti government authority.

Not socialism, social justice, communism or egalitarianism. You're a fucking liar.






Definition of anarchism

1 :a political theory holding all forms of governmental authority to be unnecessary and undesirable and advocating a society based on voluntary cooperation and free association of individuals and groups
2 :the advocacy or practice of anarchistic principles

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anarchism


For the upteenth time, there is nothing about egalitarianism or any "except socialism because it's totally rad!!!" exceptions anywhere in there.

and is backed up by hundreds of links, and dozens of articles.

I don't consider a bunch of links to people who don't know what anarchism is and think it's socialism as backing up anything.

You've provided NOTHING to back up your extremely bent interpretation of the definition.

Except the definition.

You CAN have egalitarianism without government authority,

There is the dumb fucking bullshit you're clinging too, you finally admitted it and now you and your argument are as fucked as all the morons saying the same thing that you linked.

Show me one fucking example of that EVER happening or getting remotely close to happening.

and I have shown you that time and time again. You just refuse to read.

What a dishonest fucking liar you are. All you've shown me is links to totally delusional socialist who either think THEIR kinda government authority is the one exception to anarchy that's still anarchy somehow.

Or are retarded enough to think it will just magically happen without socialism and social justice there to make their communist utopia happen.

You nor anyone has or can show me an example of anarchism resulting in the egalitarian utopia.

No government authority = social darwinism....free market EVERYTHING 100% of the time.

 

[richard_daily]

You nor anyone has or can show me an example of anarchism resulting in the egalitarian utopia.

No government authority = social darwinism....free market EVERYTHING 100% of the time.

We have.
You just refuse to read.

Show me anything supporting your interpretation of the definition.

Go ahead.

You can pretend that all of the anarchists shown to you aren't anarchists, but historians disagree with you, history books disagree with you, and every online source disagrees with you.

 

[BotanyBoy]

We have.
You just refuse to read.

Delusional socialist theorycrafting is not an example of left wing anarchism happening.

Show me anything supporting your interpretation of the definition.

LOOK AT THE WORLD GUY.

If no government authority resulted in the utopia there would be no governments of any kind ever developed int he first place.

You can pretend that all of the anarchists shown to you aren't anarchists,

Promoting socialism does NOT make you an anarchist.

Being anti-capitalist does NOT make you an anarchist.

Being egalitarian does NOT make you an anarchist.

Being anti-government authority (which shits on all things leftism) does make you an anarchist.

but historians disagree with you, history books disagree with you, and every online source disagrees with you.

Consensus of the ignorant doesn't make fact.

Just a few years ago all the scientist just KNEW black holes were a crackpot delusion that didn't exist......guess what? Yea...


Anarchism is not the promotion of socialism and social justice, no matter how badly a bunch of socialist want it to be.

 

[richard_daily]

Anarchism is not the promotion of socialism and social justice, no matter how badly a bunch of socialist want it to be.

How many times can a single poster move the goal posts in a single thread?

Call Guinness... BB's got this locked down.

No one ever claimed Anarchism to be the promotion of socialism or social justice.

You have been shown countless times how they are not incongruous, however.

History shows that, dictionaries show that, thesauruses show that, encyclopedias show that, historians show it, documentaries show it.

None of that is good enough for you, because you attempt to stretch a fact around your worldview, instead of developing your worldview around existing facts.

 

[BotanyBoy]

No one ever claimed Anarchism to be the promotion of socialism or social justice.

Liar.

You've repeatedly claimed that Anarchism is left wing.

History shows that, dictionaries show that, thesauruses show that, encyclopedias show that, historians show it, documentaries show it.

No they do not. History shows VERY CLEARLY, that lack of government authority does NOT EVER result int he egalitarian communist utopia socialist LARP'ing as "anarchist" say it will.

If there was any evidence of such lunacy we would never have developed government in the first place.

Dictionaries and encyclopedias show that there are people out there who think they aren't incongruous, that's not the same as definitive proof that they are.

None of that is good enough for you, because you attempt to stretch a fact around your worldview, instead of developing your worldview around existing facts.

Wrong.

Other peoples delusions =/= existing facts.

And it's not good enough because it's self contradicting and totally at odds with reality.

Anarchism is about being anti-government authority....egalitarianism REQUIRES government authority.

If left wing is egalitarianism as you claim, anarchism cannot be left wing...and as it turns out in the real world, it never is.

 

[richard_daily]

Liar.

You've repeatedly claimed that Anarchism is left wing.

Correct. Left wing is egalitarian. Socialism (real socialism) and social justice are PARTS of the left wing, not its entirety.

Claiming anarchy is left wing isn't what you said. You said something else. I disagreed, and I am correct. If anyone's lying, it's you.

No they do not. History shows VERY CLEARLY, that lack of government authority does NOT EVER result int he egalitarian communist utopia socialist LARP'ing as "anarchist" say it will.

So self-defining as an anarchist, and fighting and dying for that belief isn't enough for you. Those who died in the name of fighting for the cause of anarchy were liars in your eyes. Should we apply your same logic to all veterans, in that case?

If there was any evidence of such lunacy we would never have developed government in the first place.

Really? Why do you believe we invented government?

This should be good for a laugh.

Dictionaries and encyclopedias show that there are people out there who think they aren't incongruous, that's not the same as definitive proof that they are.

There is literally one paragraph about anarcho-capitalism and IN that paragraph, it states that most anarchists don't consider them real anarchists.

Got anything else supporting your point? And that was one that someone else GAVE you. If you're too lazy to even prove your own points, why should anyone else give you the time of day?

Wrong.

Other peoples delusions =/= existing facts.

And it's not good enough because it's self contradicting and totally at odds with reality.

Anarchism is about being anti-government authority....egalitarianism REQUIRES government authority.

If left wing is egalitarianism as you claim, anarchism cannot be left wing...and as it turns out in the real world, it never is.

I've given you dozens of examples where left wing egalitarianism IS anarchy. You've ignored all of these examples, and you've provided 0 examples of what you pretend anarchy is.

It is NOT hierarchical. It is NOT right wing. it is NOT capitalist.

 

[Bad_Doggie]

What? How you guys are reading the definition of anarchism and somehow seeing "Egalitarianism".

I don't know you tell me.

Clearly there is.

I'm reading...
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anarchism

And somehow you guys are reading "Egalitarianism" in there and telling me that say "Egalitarianism".

But I'm the one who's fucked up....

Yes you are…..you can’t even follow this conversation one post to next. Allow me to demonstrate…….

I was replying to this…..

I've read the whole thing, both wiki and Britannica and even some others.

None of them contradict that quote or any of the common dictionary definitions.

So we’re talking about YOUR source, Britannica and wiki, I would say the Anarchist Library I quoted earlier in the thread as well. All of them, including YOUR own source set out why Anarchism is usually considered an extreme left-wing ideology and is anti-capitalism and pro-egalitarian. It is this you're ignoring and/or hand waving away and/or not bothering to read!

The definition is the definition and does not require interpretation or corruption (unlike you attempted to do with the definition of Socialism)

I didn't do anything but post the definition and it's giving the socialist posers and folks who think there anarchism is about equality, not being anti-government authority, into fits.

Misrepresentation…..no one has said that, nor do any of the sources, it’s another one of your inventions out of plain cloth.

If they are pro-egalitarian (social justice warriors) and anti-capitalist (socialist) they are not anarchist, they are generic socialist.

According to whom?

Quote where YOUR source says this or wiki or any other recognised source for that matter?

So far, from YOUR own source, we have more than 10 quotes that say that is exactly what the majority of anarchist theories advocate.

Where is anything substantive to back up any of your claims beyond Anarcho-capitalism I have already mentioned and your opinion?

Woof!

 

[Bad_Doggie]

There is literally one paragraph about anarcho-capitalism and IN that paragraph, it states that most anarchists don't consider them real anarchists.

Got anything else supporting your point? And that was one that someone else GAVE you. If you're too lazy to even prove your own points, why should anyone else give you the time of day?

I was being generous……….plus it proves he hasn’t even bothered to read any of it!!!

Woof!

 

[BotanyBoy]

Correct. Left wing is egalitarian. Socialism (real socialism) and social justice are PARTS of the left wing, not its entirety.

They are the tools, the ONLY TOOLS the left wing has to bring about egalitarianism.

Now socialism no social justice? NO egalitarianism of any kind.

So self-defining as an anarchist, and fighting and dying for that belief isn't enough for you. Those who died in the name of fighting for the cause of anarchy were liars in your eyes. Should we apply your same logic to all veterans, in that case

A socialist fighting for socialism and calling themselves an anarchist does not make them an anarchist in my eyes.

It by definition makes them a socialist, not an anarchist.

I've given you dozens of examples where left wing egalitarianism IS anarchy. /QUOTE]

And you're DEFINITIVELY WRONG.

Definition of anarchy

1 a :absence of government
b :a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority the city's descent into anarchy
c :a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government
2 a :absence or denial of any authority or established order anarchy prevailed in the ghetto
b :absence of order :disorder
not manicured plots but a wild anarchy of nature —Israel Shenker

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anarchy

Doesn't say a fucking thing about everyone being equal does it?

None of them do......because anarchism is about rejecting government authority, not egalitarianism.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The definition is the definition and does not require interpretation or corruption (unlike you attempted to do with the definition of Socialism)

I didn't attempt to do anything with the definition of Socialism except try to get you and Daily to understand that control = effective ownership. Man ya'll resisted the shit out of that.

You two seem to think the ONLY kind of ownership is official paperworks bestowing ownership.

Who's actually in control of and using the property to their own ends doesn't mean ANYTHING to you guys...

I can only assume that because if you two were to ever admit that ownership is something beyond a government form with your name on it, that would make me right about what Socialism is.

Misrepresentation…..no one has said that.

Not a Misrepresentation.

You and Daily both DIRECLY imply it by claiming anarchism is not anti government authority but egalitarian/left wing which requires socialism and social justice.

According to whom?

Definition of socialist

1 : one who advocates or practices socialism
2 capitalized :a member of a party or political group advocating socialism

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialist

Definition of anarchist

1 :a person who rebels against any authority, established order, or ruling power

2 :a person who believes in, advocates, or promotes anarchism or anarchy

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anarchist

Being pro socialism/anti-capitalism (pro government authority) doesn't make you an anarchist.....being anti-government authority does, which puts anarchist directly at odds with leftism, because leftism (egalitarianism) requires socialism and social justice to be anything more than a joke.

So far, from YOUR own source, we have more than 10 quotes that say that is exactly what the majority of anarchist theories advocate.

And it's my argument that if they think they are getting egalitarianism without socialism and social justice they are just delusional fucking morons.

Or in most cases, promoting egalitarianism which makes them totally not anarchist, because egalitarianism doesn't EVER happen without government authority there to force it.

How is anarchism left wing if by definition anarchism eliminates the primary and only tool to bring about their egalitarian utopia??? LOL

I was being generous……….plus it proves he hasn’t even bothered to read any of it!!!

Woof!

You don't seem to understand what "proves" means or you just have shit standards.

I read it, I reject it with an argument that shits all over the "Anarchism is all about that socialism and social justice!!! WHEEEW!" idiocy and delusions that nobody can explain beyond a wiki link to other morons who think anarchism is egalitarianism and not a political theory holding all forms of governmental authority to be unnecessary and undesirable and advocating a society based on voluntary cooperation and free association of individuals and groups.

 

[richard_daily]

I was being generous……….plus it proves he hasn’t even bothered to read any of it!!!

Woof!

He's got his beliefs, and he won't let any facts get in the way of those beliefs.

 

[BotanyBoy]

He's got the dictionary definition, no amount of me or other socialist claiming anarchism is about egalitarianism not being anti-government will change the definition. I can't actually formulate a single solitary argument of my own against what he's saying, all I can do is link citation that verifies other socialist have proven anarchism isn't REALLY about being anti-government authority but all about egalitarianism without any of the tools to bring it about.

Fixed your post.

 

[richard_daily]

Fixed your post.

You can't fix a broken toilet... much less my post.

You've taken 3 words from the definition, and then applied imaginary scenarios that contradict thousands of pages of examples that counter your false claims, then claimed victory, even though you can't find a single person on this forum who agrees with your nonsensical versions of the definition.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You can't fix a broken toilet... much less my post.

Sure I can.

And your post was a load that needed fixing...sorry.

You've taken 3 words from the definition, and then applied imaginary scenarios that contradict thousands of pages of examples that counter your false claims,

LOL you're absolutely making shit up.

And there aren't thousands of pages of examples that counter my argument. I'm not making false claims either I've made an argument, and you can't even seem to understand that.

Or you just can't come up with any sort of counterargument other than "look I have proof a socialist says Anarchism is totally left wing!" which is fucking pathetic.

then claimed victory,

More lies.

even though you can't find a single person on this forum who agrees with your nonsensical versions of the definition.

Just because you can't find where it says "egalitarianism" in the definition and can't explain how the actual definition facilitates or is even tolerant of egalitarianism doesn't make my argument that the definition precludes anarchism from being definitively and inherently a left wing political ideology a nonsensical version of the definition of anarchism.


Make an argument of your own or cite someone else's specifically reconciling the definition of anarchism (being anti-government authority) with egalitarianism (pro government authority, Socialism and Social Justice) and how it facilitates, advocates or supports it in any way shape form or fashion.