Very important message on aftercare, please read

[dolphinkatrin]

Dear Troll-of-the-Month Club.

We are very disappointed in the quality of our latest trolls. You used to send us quality trolls, that were great fun to slice and dice and then grill over a slow fire. Then you started sending us GB rejects and schizophrenic tarts with more boobs than brains. At least with the Brinnie model, we had fun playing "guess who's got the Brinnie password this week!" Lately, you've been sending us cheezy white supremacists and to add insult to injury, we had to share them with the rest of Lit! But this latest troll is more of a pathetic troll wannabe; a pale imitation of real Troll energy. It's as if you've replaced my morning OJ with orange kool-aid! I suspect the latest twit you sent us is merely a recycled GB reject. It would be stupendous if you sent us a troll worthy of the rapier wit and sarcastic rejoinder the denizens of this forum have become known for.

Thank you for your attention in this matter.

Way to avoid the actual topic.

 

[saw_man1]

Why? Take, for example, Aron Ralston.

With no water and as little hope of survival, Aspen mountaineer Aron Ralston, 27, used a pocketknife to amputate his own arm and free himself from a boulder weighing 800-1,000 pounds that fell and trapped him for five days in a remote desert canyon in eastern Utah.

Pinned in a 3-foot wide slot canyon near the Maze District of Canyonlands National Park south of Moab, Utah, Ralston cut through his own arm below the elbow Thursday morning, applying a tourniquet and administering first aid before rigging anchors and fixing a rope to rappel to the bottom of Blue John Canyon and hiking out to meet rescuers.

He sawed off his own arm with a pocketknife and was able to
-give first aid to himself
-rappel to the bottom of a canyon
-and hike to meet rescuers.

If a human is capable of all that, then why aren't you capable of even thinking properly after some sex?

I see where you're coming from. After an intense all night scene, you take your sub up into the mountains and cut off one of their arms.

Hard core dude.

My only question is whether or not that qualifies for aftercare?

 

[Kajira Callista]

Is everyone in an uproar because of the subject or the way it was worded?

 

[snowy ciara]

Okay, I personally think that while some scenes do not require a great deal of aftercare, it's the height of ego to assume no-one needs it. If you're going to be messing around with someone's physical and emotional well being you have a responsibility to make sure they're okay.

I also feel that you came here and posted in a deliberately inflammatory manner just to score hits off people that you somehow think you're better than. You had no intention of facilitating a grown up discussion or you would have phrased your comments in a less derisive manner which encouraged discussion. You did not do this. Because of that, I highly doubt you're trying to have a "serious" discussion so I refuse to take you seriously. Apparently I'm not the only one, as your thread ended up on the fluffy side of the forum, rather than the Talk side.

 

[Rebellious_Sub]

Why? Take, for example, Aron Ralston.

With no water and as little hope of survival, Aspen mountaineer Aron Ralston, 27, used a pocketknife to amputate his own arm and free himself from a boulder weighing 800-1,000 pounds that fell and trapped him for five days in a remote desert canyon in eastern Utah.

Pinned in a 3-foot wide slot canyon near the Maze District of Canyonlands National Park south of Moab, Utah, Ralston cut through his own arm below the elbow Thursday morning, applying a tourniquet and administering first aid before rigging anchors and fixing a rope to rappel to the bottom of Blue John Canyon and hiking out to meet rescuers.

He sawed off his own arm with a pocketknife and was able to
-give first aid to himself
-rappeled to the bottom of a canyon
-and hiked to meet rescuers.

If a human is capable of all that, then why aren't you capable of even thinking properly after some sex?

Oh boy... *shuts up...* ....

*can't*

ALRIGHT.... in a relationship, where sex is involved, I WOULD HOPE TO WHATEVER DIETY YOU BELIEVE IN THAT YOUR PARTNER WOULDN'T EXPECT YOU TO SAW OFF YOUR OWN ARM...

*shuts up for a minute* .... Just because a human CAN do it, doesn't mean they should be expected to, especially when the trust level involved here is so high, if my Master ever just left me laying beaten and bleeding, I think I would find a new Master, one who cared about me... because there are such things as empathy, even if one does not consider love to be part of the relationship...

That's pretty much all I can say here. Sorry about the aggressive outburst...

Just find that example to be way off base from any relationship that I have ever encountered... nor would I subject myself to...


Ok, am reading a further post, as I was attempting cooling down before posting this...

: dolphinkatrin
The majority of the people I've encountered seem to be of the opinion that everyone needs aftercare and those who don't give aftercare are "bad doms", so I approach the topic somewhat aggressively.

That is fine, but state that in your opening post, so that people like me don't just skim through it and say... " .... hmmm interesting.."

Personally, IMHO I believe that everyone is different. Every relationship is different, and each scene varies in degrees of needs. Just because you personally do not need after care, does not lessen the fact that others do, and find it a reassuring part of their scene.
RS

 

[snowy ciara]

Is everyone in an uproar because of the subject or the way it was worded?

The way it's worded, I think. Otherwise, it's a decent topic. If the OP wants to word their first post in a less snotty manner, I'll be happy to move the Troll letter to the Non-Sequitor thread.

 

[Kajira Callista]

The way it's worded, I think. Otherwise, it's a decent topic. If the OP wants to word their first post in a less snotty manner, I'll be happy to move the Troll letter to the Non-Sequitor thread.

*pets snowy*

 

[saw_man1]

Is everyone in an uproar because of the subject or the way it was worded?

I thought the analogy was stupid. The inference is that because a mountain climber was forced to take drastic action to save his own life, no one anywhere ever needs aftercare.

The subject itself is worthy of discussion. The analogy is ignorant.

 

[Kajira Callista]

I thought the analogy was stupid. The inference is that because a mountain climber was forced to take drastic action to save his own life, no one anywhere ever needs aftercare.

The subject itself is worthy of discussion. The analogy is ignorant.

so why arent we discussing the subject?

 

[AngelicAssassin]

where is that ratturd Timberwolf anyway?

If ... I'll be happy to move the Troll letter to the Non-Sequitor thread.

No need, or at least not until the "i don't need aftercare" individual would submit to a simultaneous session with Eb, Sd, and Netz. i've got a feeling between the reaming, energy pull, and God knows what Netz dreams up, this character would be begging for a wubbie in short order.

 

[saw_man1]

so why arent we discussing the subject?

Because I did not want to.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

The inference is that because a mountain climber was forced to take drastic action to save his own life, no one anywhere ever needs aftercare.

i'm curious to what therapy that climber "succumbed" when out of immediate danger, or will "succumb" later down the road. They call it PTSD for a reason.

 

[Kajira Callista]

Because I did not want to.

then why bother posting to the thread at all if you dont want to discuss the topic?

 

[LunarKitten]

You know...I've actually seen some pyls who can't even climb off the cross by themselves after a scene. Of course, I'm sure they could have slid down bit by bit and then crawled across the floor to the aftercare setup, maybe even find their own bottle of water there on their own. However, I'm sure that would drastically lessen their appreciation of the scene they just participated in...not only that, but in the smallish community around here, that PYL would soon garner a reputation and would find it very difficult to find another play partner at any other event in the surrounding area.

Just because you CAN do without aftercare does not mean that everyone SHOULD do without aftercare. Sure there are some superbottoms/better than thou bottoms who believe in no aftercare, but that does not mean that everyone is a total wuss/bad bottom because they do happen to need that extra care after a scene.

I should also include that tops sometimes need a little extra care after a scene, too After all, they extended a lot of engery and sweat to make us feel that good A backrub and food/drink is very much appreciated after a scene.

 

[saw_man1]

then why bother posting to the thread at all if you dont want to discuss the topic?

Are those the rules?

Are you saying that every post must only address the original stated topic?

 

[Shankara20]

then why bother posting to the thread at all if you dont want to discuss the topic?

because it is a hot humid night in Kansas, there is nothing on TV and when the thread first surfaced not much else was happening here. I returned twice before being post #1 and the first to feed it.

I am so sorry everyone. I take full responsibility for not letting this thread starve when it was still young. I feel like poop. Can I get some aftercare?

 

[Kajira Callista]

because it is a hot humid night in Kansas, there is nothing on TV and when the thread first surfaced not much else was happening here. I returned twice before being post #1 and the first to feed it.

I am so sorry everyone. I take full responsibility for not letting this thread starve when it was still young. I feel like poop. Can I get some aftercare?

no lol you dont need it

 

[Kajira Callista]

Are those the rules?

Are you saying that every post must only address the original stated topic?

That is not what I am saying, and I am not going to argue with you.

 

[snowy ciara]

*pets snowy*

No need, or at least not until the "i don't need aftercare" individual would submit to a simultaneous session with Eb, Sd, and Netz. i've got a feeling between the reaming, energy pull, and God knows what Netz dreams up, this character would be begging for a wubbie in short order.

I'd let them "scene" with Liz, my Physical Terrorist, but Liz gives a damn and would probably annoy them with aftercare. Would that make it a non-consent scene?

You know...I've actually seen some pyls who can't even climb off the cross by themselves after a scene. Of course, I'm sure they could have slid down bit by bit and then crawled across the floor to the aftercare setup, maybe even find their own bottle of water there on their own. However, I'm sure that would drastically lessen their appreciation of the scene they just participated in...not only that, but in the smallish community around here, that PYL would soon garner a reputation and would find it very difficult to find another play partner at any other event in the surrounding area.

Just because you CAN do without aftercare does not mean that everyone SHOULD do without aftercare. Sure there are some superbottoms/better than thou bottoms who believe in no aftercare, but that does not mean that everyone is a total wuss/bad bottom because they do happen to need that extra care after a scene.

I should also include that tops sometimes need a little extra care after a scene, too After all, they extended a lot of engery and sweat to make us feel that good A backrub and food/drink is very much appreciated after a scene.

In reference to the first paragraph, I've seen one of our regular posters post scene. I've seen her hop down after a beating that scared the DM's, clean up the area, get her Dom a glass of water, and then settle down for a snuggle that looked a hell of a lot like afterglow, not aftercare. Then later help her Dom torment some other poor soul. I've seen the same woman crawl off the rack in tears (from a beating) and end up wrapped in a blanket and taking several HOURS to recover. No pyl is the same, and no scene is the same. Sometimes an identical scene can cause a total opposite reaction, because you're playing with emotions, as well as body parts.

Re the last paragraph, sometimes PYLs need comfort and snuggling too. I mean, suppose you just "raped" and beat a person you care for, let your Reptile Brain run amuck on them. Some PYLs do feel some sort of guilt or shame at what they do, even though their "victims" want to be there, especially after a really intense scene. And of course, some PYLs just need some good old-fashioned, "thanks for the O!" sex, because, as LK pointed out, they just worked their booties off to give the pyl a good time.

goes back to petting KC and "caring" for Shank

 

[catalina_francisco]

Of course I have. And I've never once needed aftercare.
I know it's hard for you to understand that there are people who do this that aren't total wusses, but there are.

Well that is good for you....and me, as we rarely do aftercare, (and there are also a few others here who also do not) but that doesn't mean I then apply my needs etc., to everyone else and dictate they should do as I do. Sort of like the analogy of if you see someone jump off a bridge then everyone should jump off a bridge...not very smart reasoning.

Catalina

 

[saw_man1]

No need, or at least not until the "i don't need aftercare" individual would submit to a simultaneous session with Eb, Sd, and Netz. i've got a feeling between the reaming, energy pull, and God knows what Netz dreams up, this character would be begging for a wubbie in short order.

The reason that this particular post struck a nerve is because I have read Between A Rock And A Hard Place and I have met Aron Ralston. He spoke at a luncheon I attended. Actually I met him first and then read the free copy of his book that all in attendance received. He gets $20,000 per engagement by the way. His real life persona is in stark contrast to the reckless adventurer that the book paints him as.

After making it back to civilization Aron was air lifted to a hospital for emergency care and iv's of fluids. He was later transferred to another hospital where surgeons spent many hours operating on his arm. He stayed in the hospital for several days recuperating.

 

[Caitlynne]

Dear Troll-of-the-Month Club.

We are very disappointed in the quality of our latest trolls. You used to send us quality trolls, that were great fun to slice and dice and then grill over a slow fire. Then you started sending us GB rejects and schizophrenic tarts with more boobs than brains. At least with the Brinnie model, we had fun playing "guess who's got the Brinnie password this week!" Lately, you've been sending us cheezy white supremacists and to add insult to injury, we had to share them with the rest of Lit! But this latest troll is more of a pathetic troll wannabe; a pale imitation of real Troll energy. It's as if you've replaced my morning OJ with orange kool-aid! I suspect the latest twit you sent us is merely a recycled GB reject. It would be stupendous if you sent us a troll worthy of the rapier wit and sarcastic rejoinder the denizens of this forum have become known for.

Thank you for your attention in this matter.

*spurt* OMG, that needed a spew alert.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

After making it back to civilization Aron was air lifted to a hospital for emergency care and iv's of fluids. He was later transferred to another hospital where surgeons spent many hours operating on his arm. He stayed in the hospital for several days recuperating.

And pretty much shoots the hell out of "aftercare is for the weak" theory, unless of course Aron is now in the weak category.

 

[snowy ciara]

*spurt* OMG, that needed a spew alert.

Sorry Caitlynne! windexing her moniter and polishing it all up Isn't funny how when we started actually discussing the comment, the OP bailed?

 

[O'Mac]

Dammit! Who's feeding the trolls?!