Vote republican if you want to let freedom ring! Vote republican to keep your GUNS!

[Fyreguy2006]

Guns kill people. The only people I hurt by enjoying my First Amendment rights are a few right wing nut cases who have nothing behind their out-moded prejudices but fetid hot air.

Golly, I have a fairly decent amount of guns and guess what NONE of them has gotten out of the case on their own, rampaged and killed ANYONE. Neither have I used one of them to kill anyone, let alone point any one of them at anybody.

Guns are inanimate objects completely incapable of any action without human intervention. Much like a car that runs someone down and kills them, or a baseball bat used to crush someone's skull, or that delightful kitchen knife stuck in a spouse's ribs during a domestic quarrel. Shall we ban anything ever used to commit a murder? Look, you don't like guns, good for you. How about you don't try to take away my hobby and I won't stop you from whatever yours is. No matter how disgusting or immoral I may think it is. Well, assuming of course it is legal like my hobby is.

By the way Wile E. Coyote, Esquire...if voting democrat for both of my senators, my congress person, my governor and many other local politicians makes me a right wing nut case I guess the political spectrum has shifted dramatically. Don't be so quick to presume that someone who believes in the rights granted in the consitution is a right winger. Many democrats believe in the right to bear arms. I work with a ton of them.

Free your mind and the rest will follow. Closed minds are a waste of breathable air.

 

[JustSkye]

Guns kill people. The only people I hurt by enjoying my First Amendment rights are a few right wing nut cases who have nothing behind their out-moded prejudices but fetid hot air.

actually, it's the mentally stunted person, with his fingers wrapped around said gun, pulling the trigger that kills people.

A gun is a gun, but it doesn't work unless a person pulls the trigger.

 

[Fyreguy2006]

actually, it's the mentally stunted person, with his fingers wrapped around said gun, pulling the trigger that kills people.

A gun is a gun, but it doesn't work unless a person pulls the trigger.

This is an absolutely brilliant post. Thank you for so eloquently and yet simplistically spelling out the truth.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Guns are inanimate objects completely incapable of any action without human intervention. Much like a car . . .

Yes, interesting analogy to a car: It's just an inanimate object -- but put a driver behind the wheel, and driver and car form a new gestalt entity with a will of its own, to the point where we can reasonably speak of cars "wanting" this or that -- wanting to go fast regardless of how urgent it is for the driver to get to his/her destination; wanting a certain amount of devoted street space and parking space in an urban area; etc.

 

[bronzeage]

Yes, interesting analogy to a car: It's just an inanimate object -- but put a driver behind the wheel, and driver and car form a new gestalt entity with a will of its own, to the point where we can reasonably speak of cars "wanting" this or that -- wanting to go fast regardless of how urgent it is for the driver to get to his/her destination; wanting a certain amount of devoted street space and parking space in an urban area; etc.

No one has ever been accused of driving a concealed car.

 

[Fyreguy2006]

Yes, interesting analogy to a car: It's just an inanimate object -- but put a driver behind the wheel, and driver and car form a new gestalt entity with a will of its own, to the point where we can reasonably speak of cars "wanting" this or that -- wanting to go fast regardless of how urgent it is for the driver to get to his/her destination; wanting a certain amount of devoted street space and parking space in an urban area; etc.

Maybe YOU let objects control you. I don't. The gun never psyches me into doing something I know I shouldn't.

The car doesn't go faster because it wants to. I control it, not it controlling me.

Perhaps I am just a stronger personality than you that I don't let things control me.

 

[bronzeage]

Maybe YOU let objects control you. I don't. The gun never psyches me into doing something I know I shouldn't.

The car doesn't go faster because it wants to. I control it, not it controlling me.

Perhaps I am just a stronger personality than you that I don't let things control me.

Its good that we have responsible people like you around to explain this to us.

It is a safe bet that a person who owns a car, might want to go somewhere, faster than they can walk.

It is also a safe bet that a person who owns a gun might want to kill someone, faster than they could beat them to death with their bare hands.

The lethal quality of an automobile was recognized a long time ago. We require a person to identify themselves and their vehicle. The privilege of owning and operating a car can be taken away, if the car is not operated responsibly.

At the time the 2nd amendment was written, cars were not a practical form of transportation. At that time, guns were not much more practical for self protection, especially if your argument was with more than one person at a time.

As soon as cars began to maim and kill people, limits were put on the people who operated them, not the machine. Cars became bigger, faster and much more dangerous.

As gun technology advanced, we didn't see the same concern. Gun owners seem unable to separate themselves from their hand held killing machine in the way a car owner is expected.

The fact that you own a car, affects the way you think and the decisions you make. Is this a form of the machine controlling you? Maybe not, but it is an influence on what you do.

Do you really think that having a hand held killing machine ready and available has no effect on the way you think, or the decisions you make?

In the words of Bernie Goetz, "I don't have to take this." He said that just before he said, 'I've got five, for all of you."

 

[Fyreguy2006]

Its good that we have responsible people like you around to explain this to us.

It is a safe bet that a person who owns a car, might want to go somewhere, faster than they can walk.

It is also a safe bet that a person who owns a gun might want to kill someone, faster than they could beat them to death with their bare hands.

The lethal quality of an automobile was recognized a long time ago. We require a person to identify themselves and their vehicle. The privilege of owning and operating a car can be taken away, if the car is not operated responsibly.

At the time the 2nd amendment was written, cars were not a practical form of transportation. At that time, guns were not much more practical for self protection, especially if your argument was with more than one person at a time.
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As soon as cars began to maim and kill people, limits were put on the people who operated them, not the machine. Cars became bigger, faster and much more dangerous.

As gun technology advanced, we didn't see the same concern. Gun owners seem unable to separate themselves from their hand held killing machine in the way a car owner is expected.

The fact that you own a car, affects the way you think and the decisions you make. Is this a form of the machine controlling you? Maybe not, but it is an influence on what you do.

Do you really think that having a hand held killing machine ready and available has no effect on the way you think, or the decisions you make?

In the words of Bernie Goetz, "I don't have to take this." He said that just before he said, 'I've got five, for all of you."

I guess I feel sorry for you that where you live everyone is so primative that they haven't learned to control their urges.

Your view that because I have guns that means I am unable to control myself is simplistic and frankly without any base in fact. There are far, far more gun owners that are law abiding citizens and have never pointed their gun at another human being let alone shot anyone than there are those that have.

You state that because I have guns it affects the way I think. You are right. I am far more aware of the need to teach my children about guns and gun safety. I am far more aware of my responsibility since I am a gun owner than YOU in your silly little leftist PC world could ever begin to handle. I prefer that the government not try to legislate every little thing. There are gun laws, they do require background checks, there are waiting periods for hand guns, there are penalties for gun crimes. It isn't as if it is the wild west and you go into a corner store buy a gun, walk out with it and get into a gunfight in the streets.

You don't like guns I can respect that. I do and I am a law abiding citizen, respect that as equally.

 

[bronzeage]

I guess I feel sorry for you that where you live everyone is so primative that they haven't learned to control their urges.

Your view that because I have guns that means I am unable to control myself is simplistic and frankly without any base in fact. There are far, far more gun owners that are law abiding citizens and have never pointed their gun at another human being let alone shot anyone than there are those that have.

You state that because I have guns it affects the way I think. You are right. I am far more aware of the need to teach my children about guns and gun safety. I am far more aware of my responsibility since I am a gun owner than YOU in your silly little leftist PC world could ever begin to handle. I prefer that the government not try to legislate every little thing. There are gun laws, they do require background checks, there are waiting periods for hand guns, there are penalties for gun crimes. It isn't as if it is the wild west and you go into a corner store buy a gun, walk out with it and get into a gunfight in the streets.

You don't like guns I can respect that. I do and I am a law abiding citizen, respect that as equally.

Who said I don't like guns? I don't see that anywhere in the post.

I never said you couldn't control yourself because you have a gun. If you want to have these kinds of discussions, you need to pay attention.

It would be easier for you to respond if I had said those things. It would certainly take less thought on your part.

I do live in a place where some people can't control their urges. I don't know if that makes them primitive. That is another discussion.

Why do you think I don't own any guns? Maybe I own more than you. Maybe my guns are bigger. Your attitude that you are more capable than other people and can better handle the responsibilities than others is as elitist as any card carrying ACLU member.

What I said, if you care to read the post this time, is guns are treated special. We have lots of dangerous things around us. We have managed to deal sensibly with most of them. The majority of car drivers would be able to operate their car without killing anyone, without the need of a driving test or a license. Yet, its still considered a good idea and very few people object to it. We have to prove our competence to operate the car, before we are allowed the privilege, not just prove we have never screwed up in the past.

The big difference between a car and a gun is that the car relieves a need and the gun relieves a fear. Many gun owners don't like to be told they are afraid and most won't admit to it. They do think there is someone out there who wants to hurt them and their guns help them live with that fear.

I know quite a few people who always have a gun near them. Some in their car, some on their person, but always accessible. If you ask them why, the answer is always the same, because somebody else has a gun. They think the gun will prevent themselves from being shot.

One of the ironic things about safe handling of a gun was demonstrated in Washington DC, where a hand gun had to be disabled when kept in a private home. Making the gun safe, made it useless for its intended purpose. In the places where primitive people are unable to curb their urge to invade a home to steal, rape and murder, the home gun couldn't be assembled and loaded fast enough to repel the threat.

I don't want to take your gun away from you. You will probably sleep better at night and a good night's sleep will improve your judgment. Until you have been under threat and actually pointed a gun at a person, you don't know what you are going to do.

Read this link and let me know how you would have handled this situation.

Rodney Peairs and Yoshihiro Hattori

 

[Fyreguy2006]

Who said I don't like guns? I don't see that anywhere in the post.

I never said you couldn't control yourself because you have a gun. If you want to have these kinds of discussions, you need to pay attention.

It would be easier for you to respond if I had said those things. It would certainly take less thought on your part.

I do live in a place where some people can't control their urges. I don't know if that makes them primitive. That is another discussion.

Why do you think I don't own any guns? Maybe I own more than you. Maybe my guns are bigger. Your attitude that you are more capable than other people and can better handle the responsibilities than others is as elitist as any card carrying ACLU member.

What I said, if you care to read the post this time, is guns are treated special. We have lots of dangerous things around us. We have managed to deal sensibly with most of them. The majority of car drivers would be able to operate their car without killing anyone, without the need of a driving test or a license. Yet, its still considered a good idea and very few people object to it. We have to prove our competence to operate the car, before we are allowed the privilege, not just prove we have never screwed up in the past.

The big difference between a car and a gun is that the car relieves a need and the gun relieves a fear. Many gun owners don't like to be told they are afraid and most won't admit to it. They do think there is someone out there who wants to hurt them and their guns help them live with that fear.

I know quite a few people who always have a gun near them. Some in their car, some on their person, but always accessible. If you ask them why, the answer is always the same, because somebody else has a gun. They think the gun will prevent themselves from being shot.

One of the ironic things about safe handling of a gun was demonstrated in Washington DC, where a hand gun had to be disabled when kept in a private home. Making the gun safe, made it useless for its intended purpose. In the places where primitive people are unable to curb their urge to invade a home to steal, rape and murder, the home gun couldn't be assembled and loaded fast enough to repel the threat.

I don't want to take your gun away from you. You will probably sleep better at night and a good night's sleep will improve your judgment. Until you have been under threat and actually pointed a gun at a person, you don't know what you are going to do.

Read this link and let me know how you would have handled this situation.

Rodney Peairs and Yoshihiro Hattori

I read the link and to my way of thinking this husband should be in jail for murder. there was no justifiable reason for this shooting. The student rang the bell, when confronted said I'm here for the party. I believe the wife's hysteria got to the husband and he shot out of her fear being transferred to him. I also believe racism played a clear role in his acquittal.

How would I have handled it? Like I have handled a dozen or so similar incidents at my home. I live about 200 yards from a rural county park. I have had people knock on my door as late as midnight looking for help. They are stuck, they are having car trouble, they need an ambulance, they need the police, whatever. I look through my window and determine if I feel a threat. If not I will open the door and see what they need. If I do perceive a threat I send my family upstairs and tell the person I will call the police for them and then I go upstairs with my family to see what transpires. I do NOT meet people at my door with a gun. I do not and will not go outside my home with a gun to confront someone UNLESS my family is being threatened outside. I get all kinds at my door from the lone teeager, to groups of teenagers, to older folks and even an occasional homeless looking guy. The threat has to be real for me to even ponder getting my gun, I do not carry it, it is not stuffed in the couch in the living room, they are upstairs in a safe place where if need be I can access them rather quickly. I just have never felt the need to do that.

Further I am not going to shoot someone over stuff, like a TV. If I happen to catch an intruder stealing my TV I may say "I have a gun, time for you to leave." If he takes the TV with him, so what? I have insurance. I am not shooting someone for that. HOWEVER, if they go towards my kids room, or near my girlfriend they get one warning and then I will do whatever is necessary to protect them.

See even us dumbass rural Wisconsin folk aren't blood lusting just because we have a gun. But neither are we sheep believing the police will save us in that moment of desperation where your life or your family's lives are TRULY in danger.

Ummm, I do have to wonder why you felt the need to point out you may have more or bigger guns than me. Perhaps feeling a little inadequate? Frankly I never discuss that because it makes you a target for people looking to steal guns.

I hope this clarified my position on how I would use a gun to defend myself.

Have a nice day.

 

[Fyreguy2006]

bronzeage:

I answered your question. I guess I expected a reply of some sorts from you since I did as you asked.

Perhaps my answer was so good it left you speechless.

 

[Rockie Montana]

Rednecks without guns oh no! lol

 

[The Mutt]

Like Jesus said, "The guns will always be with us."

 

[Javagirl2008]

That is all

Who needs a gun when I can sic my pit bull on you?

 

[Fyreguy2006]

Who needs a gun when I can sic my pit bull on you?

Is your pit bull bullet proof?