Vote republican if you want to let freedom ring! Vote republican to keep your GUNS!

[John Doe]

That is all

 

[Thumper]

The liberal/progressive philosophy regards us as similar to the Borg on Star Trek...One body, One brain, don't question, just blindly follow the leader because somehow they know what is best for all.

If ants are socialists what are liberal/progressives? Other than a true communist what is left of socialism?

No...the liberal/progressive philosophy as YOU define it is like the "Borg". It fits your idealogy for us to be like that. Conservatives like you have a belief structure and then you fit the facts to that structure. If it can't be twisted you denounce it. You will much find more diversity of thought and ideas on the liberal end of the spectrum than you will on the conservative side.

The conservative philosophy as demonstrated by most self described conservatives here and elsewhere tends to be very averse to any idea outside a strict mindset. You don't question. You just walk in lockstep. Right off the cliff.

Conservatives are far more antlike upon further inspection. They don't tolerate differences. They shun the different. If you are no longer an asset to the system they cast you aside. The infirm are cast out. They serve one master.

I am a liberal. I am my own master.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Whichever party would forbid them can have my gun when they pry it from my cold dead hands.

MEN IN BLACK:

Your offer is acceptable.

[screams and squishy noises]

 

[Fyreguy2006]

No...the liberal/progressive philosophy as YOU define it is like the "Borg". It fits your idealogy for us to be like that. Conservatives like you have a belief structure and then you fit the facts to that structure. If it can't be twisted you denounce it. You will much find more diversity of thought and ideas on the liberal end of the spectrum than you will on the conservative side.

The conservative philosophy as demonstrated by most self described conservatives here and elsewhere tends to be very averse to any idea outside a strict mindset. You don't question. You just walk in lockstep. Right off the cliff.

Conservatives are far more antlike upon further inspection. They don't tolerate differences. They shun the different. If you are no longer an asset to the system they cast you aside. The infirm are cast out. They serve one master.

I am a liberal. I am my own master.

I am an independent and have voted for candidates of both parties. In fact my state has some of the most liberal politicians in the country. Tammy Baldwin, who I am a staunch supporter of, Russ Feingold and Herb Kohl whom I have voted for. Thanks for falling into the he dares question the rhetoric he must be a conservative trap.

Don't question authority of the liberals because immediately you are a conservative....what a joke you all have become.

 

[seamanstains]

And that is exactly the kid of idiotic response I expected. I offer a serious solution to gun violence and you show how absolutely retarded a person can be when it is easier to blindly follow than to actually want to solve problems.

it is easy to solve the problem just BAN all guns
you twats keep misquoting your 5th or whatever amendment to justify being gung ho rooting tooting cowboys/green berets seals etc, etc.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

it is easy to solve the problem just BAN all guns
you twats keep misquoting your 5th or whatever amendment to justify being gung ho rooting tooting cowboys/green berets seals etc, etc.

You get no say in what we do in America.

How would you know it's being misquoted when you don't even know which it is?
It's the 2nd amendment

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The 5th is to protect you from testifying against yourself, due process, and protect against double jeopardy among other things.

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless he or she is on presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.]

 

[bronzeage]

it is easy to solve the problem just BAN all guns
you twats keep misquoting your 5th or whatever amendment to justify being gung ho rooting tooting cowboys/green berets seals etc, etc.

The 5th amendment is the one you need after exercising your 2nd amendment rights.

 

[hogjack]

This moonshine-laden thread needs more fiddle.

 

[KingOrfeo]

This moonshine-laden thread needs more fiddle.

I beg your pardon. It needs more cowbell!

 

[Fyreguy2006]

it is easy to solve the problem just BAN all guns
you twats keep misquoting your 5th or whatever amendment to justify being gung ho rooting tooting cowboys/green berets seals etc, etc.

And yet with all your gun control laws gun violence is on the increase in the UK. Your Bobbies are being trained in the use of firearms. Not because law abiding citizens are rampaging with guns, but because the criminals are.

How about a little piece of advice. Worry about the crime in your own little country and stop sounding like such an idiot about mine.

Oh you mean the gun toting rooting tooting cowboys/green berets that saved your ass in 2 world wars? Hmmm, I would think so.

 

[seamanstains]

You get no say in what we do in America.

How would you know it's being misquoted when you don't even know which it is?
It's the 2nd amendment


The 5th is to protect you from testifying against yourself, due process, and protect against double jeopardy among other things.

your second amendment
is the right for MILITIA to bear arms are all gun owners in your country in the Militia.
and do you really need an automatic weapon/machine gun in the house ?
And l do have a right to post here as your goverment tends to poke its nose in our affairs and our military is in IRAQ/Afghanistan fighting YOUR war

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

your second amendment
is the right for MILITIA to bear arms are all gun owners in your country in the Militia.
and do you really need an automatic weapon/machine gun in the house ?
And l do have a right to post here as your goverment tends to poke its nose in our affairs and our military is in IRAQ/Afghanistan fighting YOUR war

If you read what the amendment actually says it states that because it is necessary that the states have a well regulated militia that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed upon.

The amendment was very carefully worded..

The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution is a part of the United States Bill of Rights that protects the pre-existing individual right to possess and carry weapons (i.e. "keep and bear arms") in case of confrontation. Codification of the right to keep and bear arms into the Bill of Rights was influenced by a fear that the federal government would disarm the people in order to impose rule through a standing army or select militia, since history had shown the way tyrants eliminated resistance to suppression of political opponents was to simply take away the people's arms and make it an offense to keep them

It does not say that the right to keep and bear arms is dependent upon being in a militia. Quite the opposite in fact. It's meant to ensure that the people are able to arm themselves in case of a call to arms by their local government against any enemy, foreign or domestic.

 

[seamanstains]

The last part of this amendment seems to me to pertain to a part time militia rather than a private citizen,such as The Territorial Army here in Britain.A trained back up to the regular army without weapons kept at home but in a secure armoury.
the interpretation l think has been discussed by your Supreme court a few times but weapons are still kept at home and used by men women and sadly some times children.
l am glad that here weapons are more tightly controlled,yes they are available on the black market but not many of us bother we have a problem we take it to the police,or maybe a little bare knuckle violence.and then end up with the police..

 

[Fyreguy2006]

your second amendment
is the right for MILITIA to bear arms are all gun owners in your country in the Militia.
and do you really need an automatic weapon/machine gun in the house ?
And l do have a right to post here as your goverment tends to poke its nose in our affairs and our military is in IRAQ/Afghanistan fighting YOUR war

Again your complete lack of knowledge of our gun laws makes you look far beyond foolish. It is impossible for the average citizen to posses fully automatic weapons without first meeting the requirements of the FFL Class 3 licensing, which includes having local law enforcement sign off on it. The fact is very few, in fact a miniscule amount, of US citizens own automatic weapons. Those that own them are subject to incredibly strict licensing and requlations. Those that own them illegally are essentially the same as those that own them illegally in YOUR country. The law means nothing to them whether they are in the UK or the US.

Ummm, poke our nose in your business? Care to elaborate? Your military is in Iraq as our ally, voluntarily. It seems many of our so called allies chose not to go. Why did the UK? Maybe we shouldn't have poked our nose into your business in WWI, it wasn't our war, or the European theater in WWII, the Germans didn't attack us now did they? OUR war was with the Japanese, they did attack us. Funny how when people need us it isn't poking our nose in, but when we need them it is us poking our nose in.

Please do a little more research or perhaps ask about our laws before you spout off ignorant nonsense about them.

 

[Fyreguy2006]

The last part of this amendment seems to me to pertain to a part time militia rather than a private citizen,such as The Territorial Army here in Britain.A trained back up to the regular army without weapons kept at home but in a secure armoury.
the interpretation l think has been discussed by your Supreme court a few times but weapons are still kept at home and used by men women and sadly some times children.
l am glad that here weapons are more tightly controlled,yes they are available on the black market but not many of us bother we have a problem we take it to the police,or maybe a little bare knuckle violence.and then end up with the police..

Ahhh, so us protecting ourselves in our homes with a legally owned firearm is evil but you beating the crap out of someone that has wronged you in street vigilanteeism is fine. What a hypocrite you are.

By the way good luck with your bare knuckles when the guy you want to beat has a black market AK-47 in his hands. I am sure since your country is so much more civilized he will lay the gun down and go at it with you by the Marcus of Queensbury rules.

The courts have already shown that theire is no expectation that the police will protect you from crime in the US. So if you want to stop a criminal act it is up to you to do it yourself in many cases. Maybe the UK is different...

I find it absolutely fascinating that our gun laws cause you any concern at all.

 

[cjh]

I collect guns, I have my great grandfathers guns....they are SPECIAL to me! I hunt, I fish and my guns are in my home for protection! I also have a permit to carry a concealed weapon! The reason? To protect myself from the fools with stolen guns, gang members, thugs, home invasions....taking guns away from innocent people would only give the bad guys the upper hand since you know they will not comply with any law!

The constitution says WE have the right to bear arms.....and with the republicans I know that WILL continue!

so you think the democrats are going to twist the collective arm of the supreme court until it cries uncle?

if i lived in west memphis, though, i too would be worried about losing the right to own guns.

 

[koalabear]

That will teach you to buy them legally.

 

[mark_j]

your second amendment
is the right for MILITIA to bear arms are all gun owners in your country in the Militia.
and do you really need an automatic weapon/machine gun in the house ?
And l do have a right to post here as your goverment tends to poke its nose in our affairs and our military is in IRAQ/Afghanistan fighting YOUR war

This has been explained to you many times here but for the edification of those that don't know it.. please read the SCOTUS decision listed here:

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf

While this case concerns a statute about the DC gun ban.. however in the final decision from the court, Scalia, who wrote the opinion striking down the DC gun ban, stated pretty definitively what the 2nd amendment really means and who the framers of the constitution were referring.

If, from reading this decision, you still don't understand the concept of "The People" as it is referred in the Declaration and the Bill of Rights, then this concept is basically moot to you..

"The People" as it is referred in these documents is defined as an individual right.. not a collective right.. so your argument that the 2nd amendment refers to the Militia is patently false..

 

[cjh]

This has been explained to you many times here but for the edification of those that don't know it.. please read the SCOTUS decision listed here:

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf

While this case concerns a statute about the DC gun ban.. however in the final decision from the court, Scalia, who wrote the opinion striking down the DC gun ban, stated pretty definitively what the 2nd amendment really means and who the framers of the constitution were referring.

If, from reading this decision, you still don't understand the concept of "The People" as it is referred in the Declaration and the Bill of Rights, then this concept is basically moot to you..

"The People" as it is referred in these documents is defined as an individual right.. not a collective right.. so your argument that the 2nd amendment refers to the Militia is patently false..

it was a resoundingly strong 5-4 opinion, too!

 

[koalabear]

it was a resoundingly strong 5-4 opinion, too!

But 5-4 in the right direction.

 

[The_Trouvere]

I collect guns, I have my great grandfathers guns....they are SPECIAL to me! I hunt, I fish...
The constitution says WE have the right to bear arms.....and with the republicans I know that WILL continue!

That's really sick.

I want the Second Amendment to be repealed, and for gun ownership to be treated like car ownership. It should be a privilege reluctantly granted by the government, rather than a right granted by the Constitution.

In order to own a gun one should be required to take an extremely expensive course at one's expense, and buy an even more expensive license.

Guns are disgusting. People who love guns are disgusting. In civilized countries people do not want to own guns.

 

[crackerville]

That's really sick.

I want the Second Amendment to be repealed, and for gun ownership to be treated like car ownership. It should be a privilege reluctantly granted by the government, rather than a right granted by the Constitution.

In order to own a gun one should be required to take an extremely expensive course at one's expense, and buy an even more expensive license.

Guns are disgusting. People who love guns are disgusting. In civilized countries people do not want to own guns.

Where I live I hear gunshots day and night so if you want to live you better have a couple of guns laying around the house loaded! lol

 

[mark_j]

I want the Second Amendment to be repealed, and for gun ownership to be treated like car ownership. It should be a privilege reluctantly granted by the government, rather than a right granted by the Constitution.

Well then, if you want to go that far, lets repeal the 1st, 4th, 5th, 14th amendment rights.. How about we take away your right to own power tools? Your lawnmower? Your chainsaw? How about your right to make a decision on your own? Maybe, even, we should make it so that if you want to have children, you can only do so with a "by your leave' from your local magistrate or political boss? Because, obviously, you are too stupid to make that sort of decision by yourself...

Further, if you get sick how about we just have you put down like a common dog because, obviously, those that are ill are a burden on society...

In order to own a gun one should be required to take an extremely expensive course at one's expense, and buy an even more expensive license.

Ah yes, only the privileged should be "allowed" since in your mind, only those "privileged" are the only ones who can afford to make a decision like this and are therefor "smarter" than the commoner you easily shit on..

Guns are disgusting. People who love guns are disgusting. In civilized countries people do not want to own guns.

Uhh hello (knocking on your head), reality check! The world is not civilized and neither are most counties.. Even Switzerland, whom most might consider to be a very civilized country allows, nay they require most male citizens to keep military small arms in thier homes.. (fact check on this please as I'm not sure what the current statute is)

 

[Fyreguy2006]

That's really sick.

I want the Second Amendment to be repealed, and for gun ownership to be treated like car ownership. It should be a privilege reluctantly granted by the government, rather than a right granted by the Constitution.

Yep, and I want the freedom of speech revoked for anyone I think is too stupid to carry on a truly intelligent discussion. Hence you would be silenced since you appear to have no knowledge of this topic.


In order to own a gun one should be required to take an extremely expensive course at one's expense, and buy an even more expensive license.

In order to post on an internet forum you would have to get a license and prove that you actually want to discuss a topic, rather than speak in nothing more than wacked out, mindless, leftist dribble.



Guns are disgusting. People who love guns are disgusting. In civilized countries people do not want to own guns.

People whose minds are closed aree disgusting. People who blindly follow an agenda are disgusting. In civilized countries open debate and differing viewpoints are allowed. We`are not a country of mindless drones as much as you wouldwish we were.

Oh, have a nice day.

 

[The_Trouvere]

Oh, have a nice day.

Guns kill people. The only people I hurt by enjoying my First Amendment rights are a few right wing nut cases who have nothing behind their out-moded prejudices but fetid hot air.