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Voter Fraud in New York Primary
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You are playing with semantics to evade the main point of this thread:
The GOP is working to disenfranchise its frontrunner of his presumptive rights and this makes a mockery of the political process. American politics is based on the premise that enlightened self-government is possible. As a Democrat you ought to thank Donald Trump for bringing the other side's corruption out into the open.
Instead of trying to find some common ground, you dance for joy, and mock the people who are forced to live with this betrayal. That says a lot about where your real loyalties lie. I know the left hasn't given a shit about working people since they discovered welfare queens and illegal immigrants were a reliable source of votes. Sadly a lot of folks are only just waking up to this fact now.
You have no right to claim the moral high ground here. Crawl back down the shithole you came from.
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The GOP is not trying to disenfranchise Trump. I doubt they have ever done anything to keep him from voting.
What they are trying to do, for their own survival, is keep him from winning the party nomination for POTUS because they see him as an almost certain loser in the general election. They form this opinion from reading the polls and looking at the voting results in primary elections. Trump does win pluralities, and a majority in NY, but he usually gets about 35 to 40% of the votes cast, and it is feared he will get the same votes in Nov. and no more, because he is really not very well-liked.
The way they intend to do this is by following one rule that has always existed: The nominee needs to get a majority of the delegates' votes. Trump is not doing that, and he probably will not do that on the first or second ballot at the convention. That means his pledged delegates will be free to vote for anybody they like, and will be free to nominate somebody who can win in Nov., such as John Kasich or Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or one of several others.
Following the rules is not cheating.
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I've been away for a few days so I read this whole fucking thread.
The OP said that Trumps name wasn't on the ballot, the voters had nothing to do with printing ballots. This is evidence of the election machine fucking Trump, not voter fraud, suppression or anything that voters control. The real question is who controlled the ballots being printed, so the question should be how long should they go to jail?
The New York machine purged ~120,000 voters in Brooklyn, what should they be charged with? Why aren't people in New York lining these fuckers up against the wall?
Box is right the Democrats run the Machines in many cities, but Ohio is run by a different gang, "both sides" do it.
This is, or should be a federal crime, why isn't the DOJ hard on these fuckers asses with guns and shit? Because Politics is a dirty business and if our Executive allows this instead of enforcing the laws, is he/she really doing the job he/she was elected to do?
The game is rigged and nobody's going to jail. We are just fucked with a rusty dildo. Sin Loy suckers!
The OP said that Trumps name wasn't on the ballot, the voters had nothing to do with printing ballots. This is evidence of the election machine fucking Trump, not voter fraud, suppression or anything that voters control. The real question is who controlled the ballots being printed, so the question should be how long should they go to jail?
The New York machine purged ~120,000 voters in Brooklyn, what should they be charged with? Why aren't people in New York lining these fuckers up against the wall?
Box is right the Democrats run the Machines in many cities, but Ohio is run by a different gang, "both sides" do it.
This is, or should be a federal crime, why isn't the DOJ hard on these fuckers asses with guns and shit? Because Politics is a dirty business and if our Executive allows this instead of enforcing the laws, is he/she really doing the job he/she was elected to do?
The game is rigged and nobody's going to jail. We are just fucked with a rusty dildo. Sin Loy suckers!
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Let's be honest. The Republican establishment is trying to keep Trump from being their party nominee because he's neither a real Republican nor does he come anywhere close to their basic platform positions and he's publicly warred on them while trying to steal their campaign apparatus. It's not just because they don't think he could win the general election; it's because they know/realize that if he did he'd freeze them out. It wouldn't, in any sense of the word, be a win of the Republican establishment. On that basis, why in the hell wouldn't they do everything they could not to have him take their party nomination? Their real problem is that the next one in line, Cruz, isn't going to be that much more palatable for them. Their best bet remains to trot out someone like Ryan or to find some other golden boy on paper who has sat out all of the mudslinging so far.
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I can't imagine that play working though. Won't the rank and file riot?
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About time you said something right.
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I'm not sure what you are saying. I don't think the rank and file Republicans would object to the blocking of Trump. They are the ones who will have to be busting their balls to get a Republican elected in November, and it's got to be frustrating to continually trying to keep a straight face and clean up after a guy who will say almost anything on a given day. The folks putting Trump over the top aren't rank and file Republicans (or active Republicans at all). They are we-are-mad-and-won't-take-it-anymore nonpolitical people who wouldn't normally be paying active attention to politics during this phase of the elections at all.
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I guess if you are correct that the we are mad as hell and won't take it anymore people are nonpolitical instead of standard run of the mill Republicans then you're correct.
Me I see your 35-40% voting for Trump and whatever percent Cruz is pulling in and if they outright fuck them both in favor of someone who either dropped out early or never ran that might be the step that has them say "Fuck it, don't care if Hillary Wins."
Me I see your 35-40% voting for Trump and whatever percent Cruz is pulling in and if they outright fuck them both in favor of someone who either dropped out early or never ran that might be the step that has them say "Fuck it, don't care if Hillary Wins."
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this was Republicans tampering with Republicans... and somehow it's still the liberals fault?
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Yes, because it's always the liberals fighting against measures that would have prevented this from happening.
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yet... there is literally nothing in the article that anything remotely resembles your claim
and lets say what you claim was true... in the end, the decision to tamper with another Republican candidate was another Republicans idea
dont blame other people for the shitty choices you make
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That's not a point.
Also not a point.
Of course the Republicans that committed the crime are responsible you moron! But the blame is shared by Democrats for blocking laws that would have preventing this.
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you still havent shown me where the liberals are responsible for preventing this...so.. that is the point
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No they aren't. Liberals are constantly fighting to prevent this and conservatives fight for it.
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What? Are you saying the race baiting liberals don't fight against laws that help stop voter fraud?
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This isn't voter fraud, this is voter supression. And liberals are always up in arms about that. The fact that your attempts to stop voter fraud came back and bit you in the ass is not my fault. I tried desperately to keep you from lettign the damn tiger go.
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How is this the result of efforts to stop voter fraud?
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Does this look like easier voting to you? Votes got suppressed almost all modern attempts at voter suppression are sold as protecting against voter fraud.
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The Colorado GOP released a #NeverTrump tweet from their Twitter account. Let's put this on context: they decided to remove a presidental preference vote for this cycle only last August - and many of the men involved in this decision happen to be Cruz delegates. You don't see a conflict of interest here? The Cruz campaign has colluded with the GOP country chairs in Georgia, Louisiana, Maine and Mississippi to remove Trump delegates from convention slots. Even if you don't consider this to be against party rules, Cruz styles himself as a principled outsider who "stands with the people". His latest ploy to selectively campaign with Kasich in states further illustrates the man's true loyalties and beliefs.
If you support Lyin' Ted then morally, you are a hypocrite, especially now it is mathematically impossible for him to win the nomination.
The social values evangelicals like Cruz preach appeal to very few people. As for Kasich, he has not won enough states to be considered as an alternative at a convention, and delegates would be disenfranchising the electorate even further if they change the rules.
The bigwigs in the GOP are just worried about losing their grip on their party's direction. I am sickened, but not surprised to see Democrat voters team up with them to try and disenfranchise Republican voters.
Like it or not, Trump is the only candidate who has a legitimate path to the nomination. If he arrives at the convention with 1,150 delegates or more, which is likely to happen, delegates have no mandate to nominate Cruz let alone somebody else. If they try I guarantee that the party will break into pieces.
Removing Trump's name from ballots is not following the rules. Nor is issuing potential delegates and advisors with threats if they support/work for him. The GOP has done both.
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Originally Posted by Boxlicker101 View Post
The GOP is not trying to disenfranchise Trump. I doubt they have ever done anything to keep him from voting.
Do you know what "disenfranchise" means?
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What they are trying to do, for their own survival, is keep him from winning the party nomination for POTUS because they see him as an almost certain loser in the general election. They form this opinion from reading the polls and looking at the voting results in primary elections. Trump does win pluralities, and a majority in NY, but he usually gets about 35 to 40% of the votes cast, and it is feared he will get the same votes in Nov. and no more, because he is really not very well-liked.
As far as I can see, Trump is a world class asshole and Cruz is the American Taliban. I don't like either of them and will probably vote for Kasich in the primary election.
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The way they intend to do this is by following one rule that has always existed: The nominee needs to get a majority of the delegates' votes. Trump is not doing that, and he probably will not do that on the first or second ballot at the convention. That means his pledged delegates will be free to vote for anybody they like, and will be free to nominate somebody who can win in Nov., such as John Kasich or Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or one of several others.
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Following the rules is not cheating. One of the rules is that the candidate who wins the nomination needs a majority of the delegate votes. 1,150 is not a majority and, if that is how it stands after the first ballot, the convention becomes open and anybody can be nominated. Being so disliked, Trump will not be the nominee and Cruz is not very popular either. Under those circumstances, Kasich has the best chance of being nominated. According to polls, he also has the best chance of winning the election in Nov.
The GOP is not trying to disenfranchise Trump. I doubt they have ever done anything to keep him from voting.
Do you know what "disenfranchise" means?
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What they are trying to do, for their own survival, is keep him from winning the party nomination for POTUS because they see him as an almost certain loser in the general election. They form this opinion from reading the polls and looking at the voting results in primary elections. Trump does win pluralities, and a majority in NY, but he usually gets about 35 to 40% of the votes cast, and it is feared he will get the same votes in Nov. and no more, because he is really not very well-liked.
As far as I can see, Trump is a world class asshole and Cruz is the American Taliban. I don't like either of them and will probably vote for Kasich in the primary election.
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The way they intend to do this is by following one rule that has always existed: The nominee needs to get a majority of the delegates' votes. Trump is not doing that, and he probably will not do that on the first or second ballot at the convention. That means his pledged delegates will be free to vote for anybody they like, and will be free to nominate somebody who can win in Nov., such as John Kasich or Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or one of several others.
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Following the rules is not cheating. One of the rules is that the candidate who wins the nomination needs a majority of the delegate votes. 1,150 is not a majority and, if that is how it stands after the first ballot, the convention becomes open and anybody can be nominated. Being so disliked, Trump will not be the nominee and Cruz is not very popular either. Under those circumstances, Kasich has the best chance of being nominated. According to polls, he also has the best chance of winning the election in Nov.
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Okay you always fuck up quotes but generally heads or tails can be made of it. THAT bullshit however is. . .seriously how do you fuck up so bad?
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American political system is totally fucked up. Agree?
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