Wagner Group Ceasing Hostility - Deal Struck

[GlasDomDaddy]

Yah, I think it's confirmed adequately now. Just wanted to make sure I added a disclaimer ...mostly for myself.....it's easy to get caught up in something without acknowledging sources that aren't fully credible or not corroborated. I typically corroborate with at least one or two reputable sources and this news was direct from random accounts that I wasn't familiar with.

That's wise. I mean this would be bigger than Operation Bodyguard if it was a deception operation... but what would be the objective.

Unless Putin wants to drop the responsibility for this shambles onto Shoigu and Gerasimov and has employed Prigozhin to help with that...

 

[ll74]

That's wise. I mean this would be bigger than Operation Bodyguard if it was a deception operation... but what would be the objective.

Unless Putin wants to drop the responsibility for this shambles onto Shoigu and Gerasimov and has employed Prigozhin to help with that...

Ive heard some folks saying that this is Putin's plan to withdraw from Ukraine and save face.

 

[ll74]

Hope you forgive my tweet updates...lots of info out there. This is an interesting thread speculating about Russian elite support

https://twitter.com/x/status/1672603992805834752

 

[GlasDomDaddy]

Hope you forgive my tweet updates...lots of info out there. This is an interesting thread speculating about Russian elite support

https://twitter.com/x/status/1672603992805834752

I'm actually watching the Rybar channel at the moment, the way the Russians (non-state) are reporting this seems to lend some support to Prigozhin... but they'll run into the civil areas of Moscow if they are unchecked and then the public reaction could go either way

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Russia is bombing it's own oil reserves so Wagner doesn't gain control of them. lol

 

[GlasDomDaddy]

Russia is bombing it's own oil reserves so Wagner doesn't gain control of them. lol

Yeah I seen that; I also seen one of their choppers avoid a SAM by a ball hair

 

[ll74]

There's a long way to go here. I'm curious whether they'll bullet to Moscow as they seem to be doing or try to take more areas of control before moving on there. At this point, it definitely seems like the Kremlin is their focus point.

I am also curious who might take the Presidency of they succeed. Would they consider Navalny? I truly hope so.

 

[GlasDomDaddy]

There's a long way to go here. I'm curious whether they'll bullet to Moscow as they seem to be doing or try to take more areas of control before moving on there. At this point, it definitely seems like the Kremlin is their focus point.

I am also curious who might take the Presidency of they succeed. Would they consider Navalny? I truly hope so.

The problem with societies run by tyranny is that the replacement will more than likely be a tyrant.

Navalny would be better, despite the fact that the Ukrainians don't like him that much either. If Prigozhin manages to topple Putin and then not get killed in the "post tyrant clusterfuck" (like when Stalin died) then I'd imagine it will be him. That's not ideal for Ukraine either; unless his whole platform is "the guy who figured out the Ukraine war was a lie".. which would be utter BS but at least he wouldn't then be able to justify a war in Ukraine (after he's done murdering anyone who stands against him).

I think the entire West hopes for a democracy but... you know...

 

[drusus]

There's a long way to go here. I'm curious whether they'll bullet to Moscow as they seem to be doing or try to take more areas of control before moving on there. At this point, it definitely seems like the Kremlin is their focus point.

I am also curious who might take the Presidency of they succeed. Would they consider Navalny? I truly hope so.

History shows that coups can happen really fast. If the regular military don't stand up to Wagner, then Putin is toast. He'll try to find a bolt hole in Russia somewhere as there aren't any countries sympathetic enough to him to offer sanctuary but the levers of power are in Moscow.

The military will probably take over for a while with the usual lines about purging corruption and saving the nation from itself. No reason for them to hand over power to someone else, although some power vacuum blood letting wouldn't be a surprise.

 

[ll74]

The problem with societies run by tyranny is that the replacement will more than likely be a tyrant.

Navalny would be better, despite the fact that the Ukrainians don't like him that much either. If Prigozhin manages to topple Putin and then not get killed in the "post tyrant clusterfuck" (like when Stalin died) then I'd imagine it will be him. That's not ideal for Ukraine either; unless his whole platform is "the guy who figured out the Ukraine war was a lie".. which would be utter BS but at least he wouldn't then be able to justify a war in Ukraine (after he's done murdering anyone who stands against him).

I think the entire West hopes for a democracy but... you know...

Ukraine doesnt need to like him.

 

[ll74]

History shows that coups can happen really fast. If the regular military don't stand up to Wagner, then Putin is toast. He'll try to find a bolt hole in Russia somewhere as there aren't any countries sympathetic enough to him to offer sanctuary but the levers of power are in Moscow.

The military will probably take over for a while with the usual lines about purging corruption and saving the nation from itself. No reason for them to hand over power to someone else, although some power vacuum blood letting wouldn't be a surprise.

Official reports say Puty is in the Kremlin

His plane left for St Petersburg last night

 

[sixfoot4]

Suitcases full of dollars heading to Russia as we speak. Who is funding him? CIA? Ukrainians?

 

[ll74]

Suitcases full of dollars heading to Russia as we speak. Who is funding him? CIA? Ukrainians?

Russia funded the Wagner group. They have been part of the army invading Ukraine

 

[ll74]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1672576354175401984

 

[butters]

I am also curious who might take the Presidency of they succeed. Would they consider Navalny? I truly hope so.

the Wagner group's leader will be looking at that position, i'd imagine... putin must go but replacing him with them is pretty awful, too

 

[butters]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...1&cvid=6e0f75bb7b3848099978677245cb9131&ei=20

 

[Dribble]

the Wagner group's leader will be looking at that position, i'd imagine... putin must go but replacing him with them is pretty awful, too

Putin is less dangerous than Pregozhin.

 

[butters]

Putin is less dangerous than Pregozhin.

which is why i can easily see him being assassinated... but pregozhin doesn't have the place on world committees that putin's enjoyed using to exert his influence

i don't know enough about the facts to make any useful statements here, to be honest, but i do feel sympathy for the regular russian people caught up in putin's narcissism and pregozhin's penchance for violence... the people coming out best in this situation are the Ukrainians as russia has to concentrate on the coup attempt

 

[Dribble]

This is not a coup attempt. Unless Russia attacks...then it could be. This is a solidification of the military to remove certain Generals from power. What is telling...Russia's military is afraid to fight Wagner

 

[butters]

wagner group 'always deals in cash', and russian forces have just found a van and 2 minibuses stuffed with wagner's cash

Yevgeny Prigozhin, the leader of the Wagner Group private military company, has confirmed that Russian security forces had found boxes full of money near his office in St Petersburg. Russian media reported that the boxes contain a total of 4 billion roubles (approximately US$ 47 million).

When the money contained inside of the boxes found in the Gazel van was counted, the total was 4 billion roubles in cash (approximately US$ 47 million).

After this information was shared, Prigozhin issued a statement saying that in addition to the Gazel van, another two minibuses containing his money were also found.

"It wasn’t just the Gazel that was found, but two other minibuses that contained money earmarked for wages, compensations for Cargo 200 [unofficial code for bodies of fighters killed in action - ed.], and other things," Prigozhin said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...1&cvid=6e0f75bb7b3848099978677245cb9131&ei=30

 

[butters]

one has to wonder what's going on there, and whether some bribery, corruption, buy offs are in place

 

[icanhelp1]

I would be very concerned that if Putin falls that all these areas exist with their own little nuclear arsenals.

 

[Cubik]

 

[butters]

Ramzan Kadyrov, the head of Chechnia, has said that the actions of Yevgeny Prigozhin, the financier of the Wagner PMC, were a "treason", "a backstabbing" and "a real coup d'etat". He added that his fighters are ready to help the Ministry of Defence of Russia suppress Prigozhin's rebellion.

We have a Supreme Commander-in-Chief, elected by the people, who knows the entire situation, every tiny detail, better than any strategist, especially any businessman; he calls the commanders "on the ground" himself and fully controls the course of the SVO. And the Supreme Commander-in-Chief's decisions are taken carefully and scrupulously. Each of us sees only one part of the map, and he sees all at once! And Vladimir Vladimirovich absolutely rightly noted in his address to the nation: this is a military mutiny! There is no justification for such actions."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...e25db49dabb14156f2fd6df5a971ab43&ei=9#image=1

On the morning of 24 June, Putincalled Alexander Lukashenko, the self-proclaimed president of Belarus, and told him what was happening in Russia

must be why the fam and top bods hopped on a plane and skedaddled to Turkey

 

[ll74]

the Wagner group's leader will be looking at that position, i'd imagine... putin must go but replacing him with them is pretty awful, too

I don't think he will.

But right wing Twitter keeps telling me about his neo Nazi ness and how he's worse...lol