Walker Has No College Degree...

[Que]

JFK was killed with a bolt-action rifle.

...and the people on defense for the next attempt carry high capacity, full automatic weapons.

 

[Sean Renaud]

FYP

Home invasion robberies are an actual thing. They happen less where criminals assume the citizenry are armed. They are unheard of in my neighborhood. The only loaded gun in the house is the little Walther. Maybe I get to it if someone knocks down the door, probably not.

We don't even lock the door. No one would be stupid enough to chance it.

They are unheard of in my neighborhood too and I'm in gun control Southern California. There are no loaded guns in my house, nor to the best of my knowledge in the homes of any of my friends or neighbors. I have three in the house, two that are functional. (There is a shotgun I got that long story short was my Great Grandfathers and nobody cared enough to maintain it nor had the heart to just toss it out. It's. . .probably a club. I sure as fuck wouldn't attempt to fire it.)

I'd love someone to show stats proving that crime happens less where the citizenry are are assumed to be armed instead of largely based on affluency and police. Cus it seems like the neighborhoods with the most break ins are inner city areas where laws be damned you know everybody has a gun.

 

[Que]

They are unheard of in my neighborhood too and I'm in gun control Southern California. There are no loaded guns in my house, nor to the best of my knowledge in the homes of any of my friends or neighbors. I have three in the house, two that are functional. (There is a shotgun I got that long story short was my Great Grandfathers and nobody cared enough to maintain it nor had the heart to just toss it out. It's. . .probably a club. I sure as fuck wouldn't attempt to fire it.)

I'd love someone to show stats proving that crime happens less where the citizenry are are assumed to be armed instead of largely based on affluency and police. Cus it seems like the neighborhoods with the most break ins are inner city areas where laws be damned you know everybody has a gun.

Best analog is Florida passed concealed carry and carjacking plummeted.

Even before that they had the rental cars no longer ID as rental cars from plates and stickers and that helped.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Best analog is Florida passed concealed carry and carjacking plummeted.

Even before that they had the rental cars no longer ID as rental cars from plates and stickers and that helped.

Again I'd love stats and other information. It's possible that it works, but i don't buy it. Sounds like pro-gun bullshit that people like to peddle.

 

[BotanyBoy]

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I took all of Obama's lawless actions into consideration when writing that post. The "Democrat" believes that Obama hasn't gone far enough in exercising Imperial power in enacting their agenda. They are completely happy allowing him to usurp their congressional authority.

Yet the GOP doesn't have a HAIR ON IT'S ASS....to do a fucking thing about it.

2) PROFESSIONAL shooters with a lot of free ammo to practice with miss about 70% of the time in life threatening situations. This means to get three rounds in the center of mass you will need to expend 10 rounds. The quicker you get 10 shots down range the better chance your assailant is down before he (who had a head start) kills you.

70% is COP really not the best examples....get into the cool guy zone and you get up into the 80+% pretty regularly.

The entire reason the 9mm is popular is because the smaller cartridges mean that a double stack magazine will fit in your hand, which means almost twice the number of bullets.

It's true..and it's universally a little easier to handle...better field/issue weapon.

The FBI did a study and recommends them because of all of the above, over a .45 which has probably twice the energy per shot that a 9mm does.

Not twice...more like 20%ish if you're comparing apples and apples. This particular topic has been beat the fuck to death all over the web...so I'm just going to toss my 2c and not argue about it.

45's hit harder per round but don't have much in the way of getting through much because of it, 9's have more sustainability and have better penetration esp though shit like car doors and auto glass.

Tomato tomato....the meanest pistol out there ain't worth a shit if you can't work that fucker.

Rifles are far easier to aim and fire accurately under pressure than a handgun. They are much more accurate than a shotgun. Assuming one gives consideration (as one should) to what is beyond the intended target, a rifle is far less likely to cause unintended collateral damage from inaccuracy.

It's true....rifles are where it's at, and they aren't even used that often in crimes. I think like 3-7% on any given year?

You also know nothing about the muzzle velocity and the speed of sound. The second shot can be in a deer before the sound of the first shot reaches him.

If they are close and you're quick you can squeeze in a 3rd and make em' dance.

I feel like you don't know what semi-automatic means. It's just a marketing term.

He doesn't have a clue and apparently neither do you...it's not a marketing term, it's actually a classification of weapons function.

Home invasion robberies are an actual thing. They happen less where criminals assume the citizenry are armed.

They are unheard of in my neighborhood. The only loaded gun in the house is the little Walther. Maybe I get to it if someone knocks down the door, probably not.

We don't even lock the door. No one would be stupid enough to chance it.

BULLSHIT!!! Chicago has more guns than your hood and you will get gunned the fuck down in that bitch. Ever been to Baltimore? Detroit? South Dallas? Yea youz full of it bro...all your anecdotal bullshit aside moar gunz does NOT = less crime. Sorry but it's just not true, it's as politically biased as the LWCJ's lamentations over all the fully automatic assault revolvers you can buy with no ID or any sort of oversight of any kind in publican states.

Again I'd love stats and other information. It's possible that it works, but i don't buy it. Sounds like pro-gun bullshit that people like to peddle.

It is pro gun bullshit. THERE ARE AREAS!! Where this looks true as hell...which explains the pervasive nature of this particularly vile myth. They can point to Vermont and go "LOOK!! Moar gunz = less crime!!"

But they don't go posting Houston, Memphis, Dallas, KC, Atlanta or Miami's stats now do they?? LOL

WE

KNOW

WHY!!



But for every one of those you can find the polar opposite to be true. Lotsa guns with ultra lo crime rates, total gun bans with ultra low crime rates, lotsa guns with ultra high crime rates and super strict gun regs/bans with ultra high violence rates. You can find examples of them all both locally within the US and internationally.

For most sane/rational not politically biased fucking morons this is a HUGE indicator the issue is far more cultural/socioeconomic climate dependent than it is weapon access dependent. Far more so than either side would like to admit.....mostly for the fact both will go down in flames happy to burn in hell over their buu shit than lose face.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Not that you called me out Bot, but I asked earlier that I want to see stats. Cus I'm a Southern Californian, I practically have to lock my paintball gun in a case and you know what. . . I lock my doors out of habit not necessity. My old car had an electronic ignition thingy (I don't understand the specs only that there was a chip in the car and a chip in the ignition switch. Oldsmobile Aurora, look it up if you doubt me) and because of a bug I literally left the keys in the ignition for three years. I'm mostly worried about stiffing the Girl Scouts and. . .well I eat Brownies.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Not that you called me out Bot, but I asked earlier that I want to see stats. Cus I'm a Southern Californian, I practically have to lock my paintball gun in a case and you know what. . . I lock my doors out of habit not necessity. My old car had an electronic ignition thingy (I don't understand the specs only that there was a chip in the car and a chip in the ignition switch. Oldsmobile Aurora, look it up if you doubt me) and because of a bug I literally left the keys in the ignition for three years. I'm mostly worried about stiffing the Girl Scouts and. . .well I eat Brownies.

Nah I know what you're talking about...horrible design.

Oh I hear ya man...like I said though, he can produce the stats because in some places if you look selectively enough you can get them. Vermont is a great one they like to use...so if he does generate some there is a pretty good chance that will be it. There are some places in the south too, a town in GA and a couple in TX are ones they love to use among others. All low population density areas with nothing but rich white folks......LOL!!!

Point is those particular stats aren't worth shit for either side if they are being honest about it.

The real meat on this issue is population density vs income disparity.

No shit 2.4 rich white folks/sq mi = all the guns you want and practically no crime ever. Guns could vanish and there would STILL be no crimes.

Put 3,000 mostly broke and scared folks of all kinds with little to nothing to lose /sq mi? To the tune of millions? Gonna have some problems...some problem areas, guns or no they will get them and fucked up shit is going down on "that" side of town and it always will as long as those conditions exist.

Edit:Sorry so ranty...hella fucked up right now, so before further foot in face, rack time.

PB...See y'awll in the a.m. for an all new hatefest!!

 

[Que]

Those places you mention have more gang members, more drugs, more crimes and they do not have more guns per capita then we do here (no one does) and definitely not more guns in "citizens" hands as opposed to the hands of "prohibited" hands.

Botany is right that a lot of crime has to do with dissimilar neighborhood rubbing up against one another, but that is supposed to promote peace and harmony isn't it? But it doesn't.

You think you think the average criminal cannot tell the difference between a prius driving, bikram hot yoga SWPL neighborhood that one could safely assume is unarmed and an F150 with NRA stickers neighborhood?

Give me 20 minutes to cruise around any city with a tire iron and I bet you I could spot a vehicle with a gun in the glovebox or under the seat.

 

[Que]

I should have said professionals that carry guns, not professional shooters. World of difference.

Most cops don't fire 2000 rounds a month just to keep in shape.

Swat guys are much higher, but then again they are usually the ambushers instead of the ambushees.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Scott Walker: I can defeat ISIS because I defeated 100,000 union protesters.

They weren't armed, you idiot.

 

[CandiCame]

Unlike everyone seems to be doing... I'm pro-arming citizenry and I acknowledge that it's dangerous. I don't want to do it for home invasions that won't happen (the one time I was robbed the non-dumbass robber waited until I was gone, broke in and robbed my ass blind. To the tune of $10,000). According to the elderly of the internet, far from preventing robberies, firearms are one of the most frequently stolen things during a robbery. Which, coincidentally, is how it happened to me and the reason that I got a gun safe. Because the only one they didn't get was the six-shooter in my car, which was the one that's been handed down in my family for generations. They got the rifle my grandpa got me as a baby. The one I learned to shoot on. I got it back, long story short, and I know who robbed me, and the bitch moved before I could go confront her. It's a long story. The point is, guns don't prevent robbery and people will steal your guns.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Those places you mention have more gang members, more drugs, more crimes and they do not have more guns per capita then we do here (no one does) and definitely not more guns in "citizens" hands as opposed to the hands of "prohibited" hands.

Botany is right that a lot of crime has to do with dissimilar neighborhood rubbing up against one another, but that is supposed to promote peace and harmony isn't it? But it doesn't.

You think you think the average criminal cannot tell the difference between a prius driving, bikram hot yoga SWPL neighborhood that one could safely assume is unarmed and an F150 with NRA stickers neighborhood?

Give me 20 minutes to cruise around any city with a tire iron and I bet you I could spot a vehicle with a gun in the glovebox or under the seat.

I'll take that bet.

 

[CandiCame]

...sorry, Sean, but rednecks do have more guns than gang members...

1. Wyoming - 59.7%
2. Alaska - 57.8%
3. Montana - 57.7%
4. South Dakota - 56.6%
5. West Virginia - 55.4%
6. Mississippi - 55.3%
6. Idaho - 55.3%
6. Arkansas - 55.3%
9. Alabama - 51.7%
10. North Dakota - 50.7%

States with High Populations of Gun Owners
11. Kentucky - 47.7%
12. Wisconsin - 44.4% (Battleground state. See Wisconsin in 2012 Elections.)
13. Louisiana - 44.1%
14. Utah - 43.9%
14. Tennessee - 43.9%
16. Oklahoma - 42.9%
16. Iowa - 42.9% (Battleground state. See Iowa in 2012 Elections.)
18. South Carolina - 42.3%
19. Kansas - 42.1%
20. Vermont - 42.0%
21. Missouri - 41.7% (Battleground state. See Missouri in 2012 Elections.)
21. Minnesota - 41.7%
23. North Carolina - 41.3% (Battleground state. See North Carolina in 2012 Elections.)
24. Maine - 40.5%
25. Georgia - 40.3%

States with Median Populations of Gun Owners
26. Oregon - 39.8%
27. Indiana - 39.1%
28. Nebraska - 38.6%
29. Michigan - 38.4% (Battleground state. See Michigan in 2012 Elections.)
30. Texas - 35.9%
31. Virginia - 35.1% (Battleground state. See Virginia in 2012 Elections.)
32. New Mexico - 34.8% (Battleground state. See New Mexico in 2012 Elections.)
33. Colorado - 34.7% (Battleground state. See Colorado in 2012 Elections.)
33. Pennsylvania - 34.7% (Battleground state. See Pennsylvania in 2012 Elections.)
35. Nevada - 33.8% (Battleground state. See Nevada in 2012 Elections.)
36. Washington - 33.1%
37. Ohio - 32.4% (Battleground state. See Ohio in 2012 Elections.)
38. Arizona - 31.1% (Battleground state. See Arizona in 2012 Elections.)
39. New Hampshire - 30.0% (Battleground state. See New Hampshire in 2012 Elections.)


And...

Also more crime. Sorry Query.

http://www.learnnc.org/lp/media/uploads/2010/03/crimes_committed.png

To be fair, we seem to suck pretty bad at crime, I mean none of the places on that graph are white.

 

[CandiCame]

I'm not sure why Query associates Prius driving yoga hotties with folk who DON'T have concil & carry permits. That's a weird assumption to make.

 

[CandiCame]

Query, I think that it would benefit you to think like a criminal. Criminals aren't stupid or they would have gotten caught. To avoid this, they do tend to operate in urban and suburban rather than rural areas, because it's all about location. You don't want to go in when somebody's home. In order to know the person's schedual, you have to watch them.

Let's use me as an example. When I was robbed, I lived in an urban area, and I walked to class every day. Every weekday I would leave, walk to campus, take my classes, and come home. The other people around me knew that there were two people living there, and that we had class scheduals. They knew when we threw parties. I was robbed on the 4th of July when we were both gone to the fireworks. The thief knew that pretty much the entire building would be out drinking, grilling, and watching sky explosions. They timed their break in with the sound of the fireworks so that everyone thought that the sound of the window being broken down was part of the boom from the fireworks. They were gone by the time the celebration was over. They watched us and knew that we were the kind of people who threw parties. They KNEW that we would be out celebrating.

Now, if someone wanted to rob me, they would have to watch. To do that they would have to drive to my land, find somewhere to park where people wouldn't notice a strange vehicle, hike to my house and stake me out without any of the animals noticing. They would have to do this until they knew my schedule, spending a fortune in gas. They'd have to be willing to haul a TV down a mountain. People don't want to do that shit. People WILL do that shit, but not with the frequency they could if I were in an easier to get to location. Whether or not I have a gun is relivent only in their mind for how much they could sell said gun once they stole it. They aren't going to break in while I'm there. If they break in and someone is home, it's because they fucked up already. The robbery is already out of their control and their plan has been foiled and now it's going to Plan B, and Plan B is generally shitty or it would have been Plan A. Plans get progressively shittier the father down the alphabet they go.

 

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[Ulaven_Demorte]

That wasn't the actual quote, was it? This is what he said:

”If I can take on 100,000 protesters, I can do the same across the globe.”

There probably isn't much difference between Union thugs and the vicious leftists who threatened Walker's life and family's life and the Isis mentality. Both want to advance their agenda by force and fear, one can and will, the others are all talk. Walker has the courage to call the enemy what it is and take them on if needed.

I understand why you're a Walker supporter now.

You're both fucking morons. Of course, walker had the good sense to walk his comments back and claim he wasn't "really" trying to equate the protesters in Ferguson to ISIS terrorists.

 

[KingOrfeo]

There probably isn't much difference between Union thugs and the vicious leftists who threatened Walker's life and family's life and the Isis mentality.

Not even you believe that.

 

[BotanyBoy]

That wasn't the actual quote, was it? This is what he said:

”If I can take on 100,000 protesters, I can do the same across the globe.”

There probably isn't much difference between Union thugs and the vicious leftists who threatened Walker's life and family's life and the Isis mentality. Both want to advance their agenda by force and fear, one can and will, the others are all talk. Walker has the courage to call the enemy what it is and take them on if needed.

Wait are you actually suggesting ISIS are leftist?

Is that serious? Are you? REALLY?

Oh gawd please tell me you are that stupid...YOU ARE!!!!HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

That is too good now I know you're a fucking retard.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Wait are you actually suggesting ISIS are leftist?

Is that serious? Are you? REALLY?

Oh gawd please tell me you are that stupid...YOU ARE!!!!HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

That is too good now I know you're a fucking retard.

The union thugs and the vicious leftists are probably the same people, at least some of them are. They have many similarities to the ISIS terrorists, not in their politics, which are the opposite of one another, but in some of their methods and in their beliefs. Either group believes they are absolutely right and are indifferent to. Neither group cares what happens to other people, as long as they get their own way.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Wait are you actually suggesting ISIS are leftist?

Is that serious? Are you? REALLY?

Oh gawd please tell me you are that stupid...YOU ARE!!!!HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

That is too good now I know you're a fucking retard.

Well, he insists that the nazis were leftists because they had Socialist right there I their government party name, National Socialist German Workers’ Party.

 

[cowslinger64]

The union thugs and the vicious leftists are probably the same people, at least some of them are. They have many similarities to the ISIS terrorists, not in their politics, which are the opposite of one another, but in some of their methods and in their beliefs. Either group believes they are absolutely right and are indifferent to. Neither group cares what happens to other people, as long as they get their own way.

You know as much about unions as query...

 

[Sean Renaud]

The union thugs and the vicious leftists are probably the same people, at least some of them are. They have many similarities to the ISIS terrorists, not in their politics, which are the opposite of one another, but in some of their methods and in their beliefs. Either group believes they are absolutely right and are indifferent to. Neither group cares what happens to other people, as long as they get their own way.

Wow. I'm impressed by how stupid you are.

 

[about_average]

I think it's more a matter of "I don't want to get involved" or "I don't want to take sides." Personally, I don't believe Obama is a Muslim, but I don't really know with absolute certainty. On the one hand, there is all that time he attended the Christian church in Chicago, but that doesn't absolutely prove anything. He could be some kind of deep mole, and his attendance was protective coloration. This is made even less unlikely by the fact the pastor of the church hates America so much and made no secret of it.

On the other hand, Obama's father was a Muslim and he attended an Islamic school in Indonesia, where he was listed as Muslim. He was very young then, but not too young to have been indoctrinated.

Apparently you haven't read the constitution since it clearly states that no religious test can be applied to anyone in office, so the above comments couldn't be less relevant to any office holder or anyone running for office.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Apparently you haven't read the constitution since it clearly states that no religious test can be applied to anyone in office, so the above comments couldn't be less relevant to any office holder or anyone running for office.

but....but...Murica Is A Christian Nation!